MATTeL

I am still agreeing with Diablo on these points.

Also lets feel sorry for Tony as he has a rent free house in Central London, free car and driver (we pay for the fuel), and a nice house in the country.

pslewis

Diablo - you wouldnt get the job, your logic is suspect

Pete

Diablo

ROFLMA - I thought suspect logic was a pre-requisite

scoobynutta555

"But then anyone with a little political knowledge will appreciate that you are not voting for the man, but his parties policies"


And who makes up these policies? I remember one theme u Blair haters have here, its the fact that hes too autocratic and makes decisions without consulting the relevant cabinet minister. The unique thing about Blair is that he changed the Labout party fundamentally from a bunch of no hopers into a party that will more than likely win 3 elections on the trot. In essence you are voting for the man as many people have done so, and the policies are HIS policies.

And another thing, i seem to remember that there was a pay freeze for the PM and the cabinet in the last term of office, and they didnt take all the monies that were due to them. And IMHO they are not paid enough. I bet the CEO of Anne Summers gets paid more than Blair. In the grand scale of things their job is pretty poorly paid. And what you seem to forget , its not a job for life.


Maybe threads like these should be moved to the muppet forum as youve obviously not got a clue about politics. I dont see any alternatives from you lot at all, always with the bull5hit comments, why dont you run for government im sure youll get as far as Blair, after all according to you hes just a waste of time, whod vote for somebody thats a waste of time, youre sure to win.

When u get there why not pay firefighters 40, 50k a year, in fact why not just give everyone a pay rise and print more notes, after all its easy to do so isnt it, just give everyone what they want and well all be happy. Political stupidity, which i see on here every day blaming Blair for everything, to me is a leader like Mugabe, not someone who faces hard situations and sees the BIGGER PICTURE, thats what this strike is about.

Little Miss WRX

I helped vote Labour in on the last election, I won't be on the next though, nor will I be voting the Tories in.

As I think bob said before - in the last election it was a case of voting the lesser of two evils in.

The FBU are not going to get their demands. 16-20% is what both government and union should be aiming for.

Modernisation? Pretty way of saying cut-backs. Fecking flowery political bullsh1t as usual.
My mum was in Staffs ambulance service when the system was completely upturned and a new system put in. There was much opposition, but when handled right, it eventually works out. Now Staffs ambulance service is the best in the country!!!!!

Media also pumping up the hype, giving out useless info, but little factual information aren't helping one single bit.

Both Andy G and John P need locking in a room, given nothing but water and let out when they have a solution.

Lack of funding Mr Prescott? I am sure if millions of pounds aren't squandered on useless fecking things - then maybe there would be enough funding to give the firefighters a fighting chance of having a decent wage, build more hospitals and work at a better education system

carl

I think it was only Margaret Thatcher who took a cabinet member's level of salary, rather than the PM's. AFAIK all PM's since have taken the full amount.

MATTeL

Blair makes up his own policies and ignores advice, the man is looking for glory and to be remembered for something.

One such case would be the "Tent that cost a fortune for no reason at all", a Cabinet meeting has held to which Tony didn't go to. Prescott and the other ministers discussed the Dome and whether it should be built. They all, let me repeat that they all voted against the Dome opting for cheaper local projects.

No this is interesting as John Prescott is quoted as saying "[he] informed the Prime Minister of the decision of the cabinet.". So Prescott told Tony that the cabinet were against the building of the dome. Two hours later Tony is at the proposed site saying that the Dome would be built with Government and Public Sector funding. As it turns out mostly Government (our) money!

The man is hungry for power but can't accept the knocks.

My Dad's wife was at the now infamous WI meeting. Apparently the news footage should him in a better light than he managed for real. She said (sitting 11 rows back) that he looked like he was going to cry and started getting very angry.

The man is a liability to the country, we are heading to economic problems, the Unions are in uproar and the Government (read Tony) believe that they can fix everything with a huge stick or trying to divert attention from the problems (Iraq for example).

I have never voted for him or his party (I did actually look at the their policies) is you put him in a sheep skin coat he would look like a really dodgey used-car salesman.

Oh about those election policies - benefits for motorcycles as they ease congestion? Apparently not then, that was only promised at the first election he won![img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

I still think - "No tax increases" was the best one ever, I would laugh but I might cry![img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

scoobynutta555

err excuse me,the millenium dome was a tory idea, and many many millions were spent on it before labour came in. Now what do you do, scrap the whole thing and waste all that money, or do u try and make a go of it and hope that it comes out like all the pr said it would before it was finished. It was a ***** up, but if it werent started by the tories then it would never have been built

robski

For the record it wasn't Blair who started the "rebranding" of the labour party.

I say rebranding as there are still just as many loonys there as before, but to get re-elected the lefties were slowly pushed out to allow the more centre orientated baboons to take over.

What scares me more than anything is not the job Tony is doing, but that he may ***** it up, and we could end up with one of the other true labourites leading the party/government.

At the end of the day the party that wins power is the one that occupys the centre ground. You have 20-30% loyal voters for both parties who will vote that party no matter what. Get the majority of the centre ground peeps to vote for you and you have won.

Regarding the firemen I say give them 0% for the next 5 years. This country should never be held to ransom over pay. ANYONE providing an essential service to protect life should not be allowed to strike. Dont like the pay? Get another job its what the other 99.9 of the population do.

At the end of the day there are plenty of people who would be willing to be a fireman for that pay, so are they underpaid? Jobs are underpaid when you struggle to get people to do that job because they can earn better money doing something else. When I left school the 2 people that I know of who went to be firemen (it was 21 I think before you could start) were educated and took a good pay rise when they joined.

robski

scoobynutta555

for the record if youre refering to me about "rebranding" i said this not what u think i said:

The unique thing about Blair is that he changed the Labour party fundamentally from a bunch of no hopers into a party that will more than likely win 3 elections on the trot.

Say what u like about neil kinnock or john smith, fact remains Blair took over what they did much more, i doubt if the other 2 would mould a party that would have 2 landslide victories on the trot, and possibly another next time.