4lex

Grandeur? You've clearly misunderstood. I quoted some facts, haven't linked any toyota website as I couldn't find an official one in english. AFAIK 245bhp, 1180kg.

My MR2 is quicker than 98% of other cars on the road, and is losing my nothing like the money of a P1 in depreciation - that's good enough for me.

scoobynutta555

youve given me what amounts to a guesstimate, and where are your performance figures. Youve wisely sidestepped the other issues i have raised. As for depreciation, how much does a mr2 depreciate by? i seem to remember seeing them go for around £5000 or less for a turbo, around four years ago, a big difference from their factory price im sure. Any new car will depreciate, in fact as it happens percentage wise, the P1 is not a big depreciator if you look at longer term values. And of course depreciation will only matter when you sell the car, which i dont plan on doing anytime soon.

This is what i have found on an mr2 site

"2.0 Liter, 16 valve, DOHC, Turbocharged. Stock turbocharger
is capable of producing up to 11.8 psi of boost. This
engine produces 200 hp at 6000rpm, and 200lb-ft of torque at
3000rpm in stock form."

And another main site claims 220 bhp, and a blisteringly quick 0-60 time of 6.2 seconds for the non US model.

I say again for the hard of hearing , IMHO the mr2 turbo or non, is not a high performance car in standard form, notwithstanding its obvious real world limitations. i know its cheap and value for money, but thats not the issues im raising.

Keep saving for a Lotus Elise.

Dream Weaver

Weava - no dont have the pug any more - would buy another though.

Nutta - you still bleating on about this thread - I cant be arsed anymore, as has been said, each to their own. One thing though, I never said the MR2 was a *High* performance car, just a performance car, which it is - certainly aint a family saloon anyway

DW

PS standard post 94 MR2 Turbo is 245bhp

NotoriousREV

Anyway, I've decided to keep the bugger

Andy Porter

You know it makes sense
I've just paid my insurance, I'll be popping into casualty for a few stitches later
Andyp

4lex

Nope, I just ignored them. Boot space? Well I can fit in the boot of the '2, I'm 6' and 17st. Granted I wouldn't stay in there long, but it's clearly adequate for those of us without prams to haul around. What you do in your time as concerns old spice and chest wigs is your own business.

Makes me wonder why you're so defensive? I don't see anyone attacking your choice of car - are you trying to justify the considerable extra expense for a marginal performance benefit? I elected to buy the MR2 not because I can't afford the purchase price of a fast scooby, but because I consider the running cost to be excessive and I enjoy the handling of the mid engine layout.

The argument that depreciation only costs you when you sell the car is nonsensical, as even the most basic understanding of economics would have told you.

I'm not going to bicker any more on the subject.

softwizz

FWIW I've owned a mkI MR2 and now own a V2 STi wagon, so I think I can make comparisons. OK the mkII MR2 range has more power, but it was considered quite a let-down from the mkI on handling.

When I drove an Impreza for the first time (MY02 WRX UK on a test drive) it immediately recalled my MR2's sharpness and responsiveness (excepting the effects of turbo lag on the WRX of course) but it was better. And my STi is way more sharp/responsive than that WRX.

As to grip, there is *no* comparison, wet or dry - the Impreza has it all the way. So I'd say that if someone in a WRX couldn't keep up with someone else in an MR2 its down to differences in driver ability.

For a commuting car I recommend - and used for over 150,000 miles - a Scirocco MkII GTi. They are very chuckable, very safe handling for making progress in give-and-take traffic/weather, economical to insure service and feed, and cheap to buy these days - and if you buy one now you can sell it for the same money in a couple of years, so no depreciation. I did 90-miles each way five days a week on the A12/A414 for nearly two years, and had fun as well.

scoobynutta555

err dream weaver you said that you never said that an mr2 is a high performance car? this must be a wally using your account then>


Dreamweaver
Are there any high performance cars which are cheap to run?

Yep, mine

94 MR2, 180bhp, great fun.

Costs me about £380 a month for everything, fuel, insurance, loan the lot.

Tyres can be had for £60 a piece, just had service at £80, never breaks down, insurance is £600, returns 45mpg on Mway, 30mpg when really hammering it.

Notorious - get yourself an MR2 - you wont regret it

Hmmm selective memory methinks. And show me where it says 245 bhp for a later model that has the same weight as an earlier one? Incidently, i cant believe youre still bleating on about this thread.

And Alex, 17 stone and fit in an Mr2 boot, 2 questions, why u in the boot and are you a magicians assistant? And if you can afford a fast scooby yet prefer midengined layout, why arent you in a Lotus Elise, as i understand its one of the best handling cars around, youre in a dreamland if you think an mr2 can come close. In anycase you are still ignoring the most hard hitting aspects of my arguement, get on your own mr2 site and ask some searching questions to your moderator as to why the site is so poor.

davyboy

Good afternoon Vaughan

scoobynutta555

Good evening Davy

ianc

You've already mentioned something that is cheap to run but is as enjoyable as the scoob....

..Skoda.

(if you can get past the badge)

Dream Weaver

Nutta - that was a quote of RB5 - I didnt say it

Just been out for an hours drive round the moors in said MR2 - for something which isn't a performance car it is bloody great fun Nuff said, I thankyou.

PS I have no beef with the Scoob vs MR2, as I will be looking down the P1 route next year - I just like the MR2 for the money - also great fun

Nicci

nutta vaughan, maybe you should have a drive of an MR2 and see what you think (if you haven't already). (You cannot use my car) You will find it very different to a normal car or a P1 i would guess.

scoobynutta555

Dream weaver, you posted the first line and agreed with it, i must be seeing things

Nicci, thats no way to persuade me to let u drive mine

davyboy

You haven't driven each others cars yet

I always let Clare drive mine...................back from the pub or restuarant!

catflap

Aye john, and the tyre and pad bill is also FUN

Still stand by my guns about dull, quick it may be, but dull

You’ve been in the tin tops for too long mate you’ve forgot what the wind in your hair (and bugs in your teeth) feels like hehe
Add HAY how did you find out I don’t have a drivers licence? QUIET or the fuzz will be on to me


[Edited by catflap - 12/4/2002 6:36:49 PM]

softwizz

Catflap, if you experience 'dull' then you ain't going hard enough!What I think you're responding to here is that the Impreza has such a higher performance envelope that the other cars we've been discussing, that you come up against your own limits (of courage!)and not the car's limits. So you don't experience the hairy events that some lesser cars will give you for a lot smaller down-payment of *****.

Dream Weaver

Anyway, anyone fancy a pint - I'm knackered

catflap

Lucky for you mate some of us are still in work Now thats DULL....

hehe

screech

an mr2 turbo is quicker on the mororway, the 220bhp models clock 158mph and the 240bhp ones clock 162mph, imprezas aren't as fast as that. a 300bhp mr2 - 0-60mph in 4.2 and that's been proven. you forget that toyota did the mr2 turbo and just kept the performance the same from 90-94, then 94-, subaru kept on doing different models to coincide with different rallying years so the later and special edition scoobies have been extensively modded compared to the standard turbos, the mr2s were only released as standard without all these updates. p1s have about 4-6years extra development on even the later mr2s

scoobynutta555

could be here all day comparing modded sprint times etc etc. The best example is the base times. Dont know what u mean by clock times, if youre reading speeds from the speedo youre on to a losing arguement. Show me a STOCK mr2 that does 0-60 in 4.6 and a higher speed than 155 mph. Not "clock" times but paper times or PROPERLY recorded times.

On this mr2 site, http://www.users.totalise.co.uk/~mcanny/frames/techinfopage.htm

they seem to think that the 220 bhp turbo has a top speed of 145, a little shy of your "clock" time. And a 0-60 time as 6.2 for standard car.

And according to another mr2 site:
On a recent Banzi magazine MR2 shoot-out, an owner of a 300bhp tuned 1994 Turbo was able to achieve a 4.94s 0-60 time

Nevetas

Sell it and spend the money on beer, hoes, and condoms.

NotoriousREV

Hmm, good option, but the g/f might object. Mind you, she objected to the Scoob but then got to like it...

scoobynutta555

garden hoes, or hooker ho's lol

Dream Weaver

Scoobynutta - just for you mate

Stock MR2 Turbo Vs Stock WRX

Dream Weaver

A win, but only just

2manyg

What a plumtree!!
I reckon he was chosen because Channel 4 KNEW he would fail! To many 'fakes' have been doing well, giving people the impression that the chosen skill / career is a piece of cake!
Still can't believe they put such a huge t*sser on the telly though!!

scoobynutta555

while your hunting for footage, do a search for John Felsteads trips around the ring , i watched them all and seem to remember an mr2 getting blasted amongst the casualties And BTW standard wrx is no match for sti land

Anonymous bob

I think you'll find this thread started by saying he wanted a cheaper car to run. There is no doubt that scoobies are quick, but there are cars that are damn good out there that are a lot cheaper. If we all wanted to make casualties of other cars we would all buy caterhams, or motorbikes. If you don't think MR2 turbos are fast cars, then you are entitled to your opinion, however... the tubby was brought up as a possible replacement, which you obviously don't agree with. So continue with your saloon that costs 2k insurance, and a ****load on petrol! (2 k insurance..sheesh!!)

scoobynutta555

people like to remain anonymous for good reason. I pay £900 insurance. Threads evolve or they die, live with it.