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07 February 2003, 10:08 AM
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Hi Steven: Am I right in assuming a couple of posts disappeared into cyber space??? Just noticed.
O.K. So the breathers give out hot air loaded with oil vapour and droplets even. To get optimum performance your car needs a supply of cold fresh air. If it is warm and you are running to the limit under adverse load conditions and the breathers send out a load of contaminated hot gases then you could go beyond the det threshhold.
With no breather air reciculating into the inlet tract then the operating perameters are kept more constant and safer.
O.K. So the breathers give out hot air loaded with oil vapour and droplets even. To get optimum performance your car needs a supply of cold fresh air. If it is warm and you are running to the limit under adverse load conditions and the breathers send out a load of contaminated hot gases then you could go beyond the det threshhold.
With no breather air reciculating into the inlet tract then the operating perameters are kept more constant and safer.
07 February 2003, 10:15 AM
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Right cheers, understand that, amazingley.
Re the posts, yes, as they were non constructive to the thread. I have a copy on my pc, and the relevant party has been informed. I also thank you for your comment, which was also deleted, as leaving that on its own would be confusing to others.
As John and i have said, we are trying to control things.
I think yesterday was a pretty constructive day in drivetrain IMO.
Steven
Re the posts, yes, as they were non constructive to the thread. I have a copy on my pc, and the relevant party has been informed. I also thank you for your comment, which was also deleted, as leaving that on its own would be confusing to others.
As John and i have said, we are trying to control things.
I think yesterday was a pretty constructive day in drivetrain IMO.
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07 February 2003, 10:27 AM
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I am happy with that and hope we can all settle down to genuinely helping each other which is what this BBS was about.
P.S. Can I have a magic disappearing marking pen.
Do the inlet tract and catch tank at the same time as it makes more sense and you will have time to get the right tank at the right price so the brass can be spent on something else.
P.S. Can I have a magic disappearing marking pen.
Do the inlet tract and catch tank at the same time as it makes more sense and you will have time to get the right tank at the right price so the brass can be spent on something else.
07 February 2003, 10:33 AM
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No you cant have a pen
, cheers Harvey.
Going to do both at same time, as i think its better to take the inlet manifold off completely to do it.
Suppose i could have a go at both myself, with my dads weld, but then that would be limited to steel for me, i would ideally like aluminium.
Best get drawing some plans up
, cheers Harvey.Going to do both at same time, as i think its better to take the inlet manifold off completely to do it.
Suppose i could have a go at both myself, with my dads weld, but then that would be limited to steel for me, i would ideally like aluminium.
Best get drawing some plans up
07 February 2003, 11:22 AM
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Removing the I/M is not necessary but if you do then insulation spacers can be fitted at the same time. To fit bigger than 63 dia ie 75 dia you need to cut off the two lugs at the rear uderside of the I/M on the drivers side. IMHO the hassle is not worth the effort unless you plan to go a long way past 450 bhp. The lugs hold the fuel rails in place and it is important they are securely clamped.
07 February 2003, 11:27 AM
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unless you plan to go a long way past 450 bhp
Dont want to break the original inlet pipe by taking it off without the IM off.
Or can it be done?
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07 February 2003, 11:35 AM
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David_Wallis,
Re: "The car was off the road whilst they were like that...
They now have plenty of tread.
so
"
Sorry, I was obviously mistaken... you see I only had this:
"Driving home toinight, nice and steady, no power runs off round abouts or anything. 15 mile cruise at 70mph(and yes it WAS 70), off slip road, up to traffic lights for roundabout, and car feels as if it is about to stall. It doesnt, and picks its revs back up unaided.
Set off from lights, steady through next set on round about (100m) next set change red (another 100m), me at the front and the revs drop to about 400, oil presure is about 1.5bar, and it would not pick itself up, so i applied some revs. "
and this:
" Drives home from there, another 20 miles, no problem, but almost stalls when i get home (the in laws actually), 400 revs, does not stall, does not pickup. "
and this:
" Had my tea, re-started the thing after having a general look around, although the torch was not perfect, no loose pipes anywhere, no sign of oil leaks or anything. Except for my really badly knackered front tyres, wire showing. "
to go on. Looking back at it now, what was I thinking... I have absolutely nothing to have based my assumption on! No wonder I was mistaken in thinking the car might possibly have been at risk of being stopped having illegal tyres.
So right back at you! 
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Re: "The car was off the road whilst they were like that...
They now have plenty of tread.
so
"Sorry, I was obviously mistaken... you see I only had this:
"Driving home toinight, nice and steady, no power runs off round abouts or anything. 15 mile cruise at 70mph(and yes it WAS 70), off slip road, up to traffic lights for roundabout, and car feels as if it is about to stall. It doesnt, and picks its revs back up unaided.
Set off from lights, steady through next set on round about (100m) next set change red (another 100m), me at the front and the revs drop to about 400, oil presure is about 1.5bar, and it would not pick itself up, so i applied some revs. "
and this:
" Drives home from there, another 20 miles, no problem, but almost stalls when i get home (the in laws actually), 400 revs, does not stall, does not pickup. "
and this:
" Had my tea, re-started the thing after having a general look around, although the torch was not perfect, no loose pipes anywhere, no sign of oil leaks or anything. Except for my really badly knackered front tyres, wire showing. "
to go on. Looking back at it now, what was I thinking... I have absolutely nothing to have based my assumption on! No wonder I was mistaken in thinking the car might possibly have been at risk of being stopped having illegal tyres.
So
right back at you! Moray
07 February 2003, 11:37 AM
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it can but not easy... I have a spare iirc... I would remove rails and go parallel feed at the same time, but that requires new fuel pressure reg.. and doesnt look std
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07 February 2003, 11:40 AM
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Moray CKoff really should see the doctor about that cough 
what happent is whilst the car was parked, the rubber deteriorated (sp) and some rats and mice nibbled at the rubber..
This was not helped by the oil on the rubber either..
HTH and clears up any misconceptions.
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really should see the doctor about that cough what happent is whilst the car was parked, the rubber deteriorated (sp) and some rats and mice nibbled at the rubber..
This was not helped by the oil on the rubber either..
HTH and clears up any misconceptions.
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07 February 2003, 12:44 PM
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dont mean to bring it up everywhere, but many people seemt o be suggesting the idea of a generic carbon fibre inlet pipe.
Personally I think a samco type pipe would probably be easier, and carbon is probably wasted since it isnt exactly on show and is a nightmare to fit.
Nevertheless, lots of people want it.
Trouble is there are several different requirements based on number of breather pipes, etc, along with what size to make the exit for mating with the turbo.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to design a generic pipe which can be the basis for an inlet pipe, with other peoples requirements being met by replacable add ons, or is it simply too much effort?
Personally I think a samco type pipe would probably be easier, and carbon is probably wasted since it isnt exactly on show and is a nightmare to fit.
Nevertheless, lots of people want it.
Trouble is there are several different requirements based on number of breather pipes, etc, along with what size to make the exit for mating with the turbo.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to design a generic pipe which can be the basis for an inlet pipe, with other peoples requirements being met by replacable add ons, or is it simply too much effort?
07 February 2003, 01:58 PM
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Harvey, depending how brave i feel i may try it either way (no rude comments please)
Adam, i know about the carbon, but dont want the expense. Spent too long with Professor Gromit, so i am considering knocking one up out of some spare tubing i have. If it fits i will try and make a replica, that hopefully could then be used as a template for the CF one.
Does that sound as though it may be of some use?
If so, then it will give me motivation to do it
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(no rude comments please)Adam, i know about the carbon, but dont want the expense. Spent too long with Professor Gromit
, so i am considering knocking one up out of some spare tubing i have. If it fits i will try and make a replica, that hopefully could then be used as a template for the CF one.Does that sound as though it may be of some use?
If so, then it will give me motivation to do it
Steven
07 February 2003, 02:07 PM
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to be honest steven,
the carbon one is not really a priority to me. I dont think it solves any problems, and doesnt reduce weight really. it isnt on show, and doesnt need to be mega tough.
Its probably more effort than is necessary and with the number of variations, a bit of a waste of effort.
Am sure if you came up with a generic solution whch everyone liked it would be worthwhile. I am going to stick to my samco in the meantime, just wanted to let anyone who might be interested know that people are trying to make them and looking for ideas.
the carbon one is not really a priority to me. I dont think it solves any problems, and doesnt reduce weight really. it isnt on show, and doesnt need to be mega tough.
Its probably more effort than is necessary and with the number of variations, a bit of a waste of effort.
Am sure if you came up with a generic solution whch everyone liked it would be worthwhile. I am going to stick to my samco in the meantime, just wanted to let anyone who might be interested know that people are trying to make them and looking for ideas.
07 February 2003, 02:12 PM
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Cheers Adam, fingers crossed, see what i come up with.
I am going to try and maximise the inlet without raising the IM.
So 63mm+ hopefully.
Steven
I am going to try and maximise the inlet without raising the IM.
So 63mm+ hopefully.
Steven
08 February 2003, 12:59 AM
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To give you motivation....
I made up these two pipes.
First one (silver) is 63mm down to 57mm for the turbo inlet, 2nd (yellow) 63mm all the way through. Short Samco hose joins pipe to turbo.
Making bigger than 63mm brings up another issue in that the power steering header tank will need to be relocated, whereas the 63mm can keep the original header in place.
The 2nd one ( yellow) was knocked up in an hour, taken home to get finally positioning, then taken into the work the following night to get welded.
All in took 2-3 hours max and a huge saving on dedicated items.
Cost? £20 for the 90 degree Samco hose.
Alan
To give you motivation....
I made up these two pipes.
First one (silver) is 63mm down to 57mm for the turbo inlet, 2nd (yellow) 63mm all the way through. Short Samco hose joins pipe to turbo.
Making bigger than 63mm brings up another issue in that the power steering header tank will need to be relocated, whereas the 63mm can keep the original header in place.
The 2nd one ( yellow) was knocked up in an hour, taken home to get finally positioning, then taken into the work the following night to get welded.
All in took 2-3 hours max and a huge saving on dedicated items.
Cost? £20 for the 90 degree Samco hose.
Alan
09 February 2003, 10:21 AM
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No results as in figures yet Andy.
Some weird things going on which doesn't make a lot of sense at the moment but still plenty things to be getting on with to eliminate various *issues*.
Alan
Some weird things going on which doesn't make a lot of sense at the moment but still plenty things to be getting on with to eliminate various *issues*.
Alan
02 July 2003, 11:41 AM
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Must keep my car looking standard
I will give it a go, soon.
Sorry Moray, i should have also updated that bit as well.
Steven
[Edited by P20SPD - 2/7/2003 11:42:21 AM]
I will give it a go, soon
.Sorry Moray, i should have also updated that bit as well.
Steven
[Edited by P20SPD - 2/7/2003 11:42:21 AM]
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Don't joke about the rats!
My father in-law is currently travelling about with two set mouse traps!!!
He had a box of roses on the front seat and he went to open them and found the box empty and hole in the box.. then noticed a hole in the back seat!!! :eekk: and all the roses, some eatten in the boot..
That was late so next day he does out and finds that the roses have gone!!! strip searches the car and they are all behind the passenger headlight!! and he had travelled 20miles to work too...
He removed the roses, but there is evidence the mouse is still in there..
The mouse traps keep going off when you hit bumps which put the creaps up passengers..
Hope the clean of the BOV solves the problem..
thinking about catch tank myself..
I fancy an empty coke can!
JGM
Edited due to my lack of spelling and gramma! yeah okay it is still bad but you should have seen it before the edit!
[Edited by Jolly Green Monster - 2/7/2003 9:44:08 PM]
My father in-law is currently travelling about with two set mouse traps!!!
He had a box of roses on the front seat and he went to open them and found the box empty and hole in the box.. then noticed a hole in the back seat!!! :eekk: and all the roses, some eatten in the boot..
That was late so next day he does out and finds that the roses have gone!!! strip searches the car and they are all behind the passenger headlight!! and he had travelled 20miles to work too...
He removed the roses, but there is evidence the mouse is still in there..
The mouse traps keep going off when you hit bumps which put the creaps up passengers..
Hope the clean of the BOV solves the problem..
thinking about catch tank myself..
I fancy an empty coke can!
JGM
Edited due to my lack of spelling and gramma! yeah okay it is still bad but you should have seen it before the edit!
[Edited by Jolly Green Monster - 2/7/2003 9:44:08 PM]
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