F.T.A.O. THE GRANADE BRIGADE
19 December 2002, 10:49 AM
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Damn JG,
i wanted to come out with the lines like "ive heard of Orangade, limeade, lemonade but never granade
" damn!!
David, re NO2,
It sounds as though nos nova uses his for cooling, now to me, if you cannot cool your engine first without nos then your rather pathetic at tuning cars
you on the other hand use it for performance as your engine is cool enough (and wont overheat like a 2ltr turbo lump in a rusty nova )
Tony
PS, David, have you seen this car? does it have a subaru bonnet vent on it like most nova's do which are jealous because they cannot afford a decent car?
i wanted to come out with the lines like "ive heard of Orangade, limeade, lemonade but never granade
" damn!!David, re NO2,
It sounds as though nos nova uses his for cooling, now to me, if you cannot cool your engine first without nos then your rather pathetic at tuning cars
you on the other hand use it for performance as your engine is cool enough
(and wont overheat like a 2ltr turbo lump in a rusty nova )Tony
PS, David, have you seen this car? does it have a subaru bonnet vent on it like most nova's do which are jealous because they cannot afford a decent car?
19 December 2002, 11:44 AM
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My grandad drives a Nova ! he also has one of those little wheely bag things in tartan.
I was just thinking about the thousands of pounds that has been spent on this Nova, it must be woth over £300 now.
I was just thinking about the thousands of pounds that has been spent on this Nova, it must be woth over £300 now.
19 December 2002, 12:12 PM
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Oh Saxo boy, "take out the weak flat four", you obviously never driven a scooby.
So what would you put in it, make it FWD put a ****ty 1.6i, with a massive drain pipe sticking out the back that makes it sound like a wet fart when you rev it.
Grow up son, stop spending all that dosh on that ****ty FWD thing, save the money and you might be able to buy a grown up car one day, maybe even a scooby.
Oh and another thing, NOS Nova, any dick can drive fast in a straight line.
Let me take you up some windy stuff, I'll even bring a tow rope so I can keep pulling out of the bushes and ditches. Thats of course if there's anything left worth pulling out.
Maybe I'll bring an ambulance as well just in case you might hurt yourself, heaven forbid!
A friend of a friend killed himself 10 years ago thinking he was invincible in a 500bhp nosed up cossie, he was 20 years old, and his passenger spent 6 months in hospital and has permanent injuries.
Grow up son!!!
So what would you put in it, make it FWD put a ****ty 1.6i, with a massive drain pipe sticking out the back that makes it sound like a wet fart when you rev it.
Grow up son, stop spending all that dosh on that ****ty FWD thing, save the money and you might be able to buy a grown up car one day, maybe even a scooby.
Oh and another thing, NOS Nova, any dick can drive fast in a straight line.
Let me take you up some windy stuff, I'll even bring a tow rope so I can keep pulling out of the bushes and ditches. Thats of course if there's anything left worth pulling out.
Maybe I'll bring an ambulance as well just in case you might hurt yourself, heaven forbid!
A friend of a friend killed himself 10 years ago thinking he was invincible in a 500bhp nosed up cossie, he was 20 years old, and his passenger spent 6 months in hospital and has permanent injuries.
Grow up son!!!
19 December 2002, 12:12 PM
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Guys,
what has this guy done wrong?
the only thing he did that p1ssed me off was immediately reject Marks performance figures, and even then only because I knew they were valid. If I didnt know mark personally his posts could well have been my own opinion.
Am wondering if he knows marks less than ideal times for 500m at elvington, which came down by almost a second on each of three successive attempts. Perhaps he wouldnt be so quick to antagonise. And then there's Andy's times, which are unquestionnably quicker.
I am confident that my car would obliterate his times, but then it isnt built, and I cant drive to save my life let alone drag!
Aside from all of this, I think it is wrong for people on here to be so quick to discredit. He could well have a seriously impressive car, and not just in a straigth line. People are jumoing to conclusions. To get in the 12s in a nova is very very quick. Even if it remains front wheel drive, to get that time without proper tractioin is still impressive.
The only thing is, I know what is coing out of the woodwork over the coming months, and in his position I wouldnt be so quick to judge.
I would hope Marks car when finished will be easily in the tens, and I would probably be dissapointed if my car was more than 0.5 secs behind.
This is of course hypothetical as I said before, as you wont catch my car on the drag strip. I have HIDs, air con and sat nav ffs!
what has this guy done wrong?
the only thing he did that p1ssed me off was immediately reject Marks performance figures, and even then only because I knew they were valid. If I didnt know mark personally his posts could well have been my own opinion.
Am wondering if he knows marks less than ideal times for 500m at elvington, which came down by almost a second on each of three successive attempts. Perhaps he wouldnt be so quick to antagonise. And then there's Andy's times, which are unquestionnably quicker.
I am confident that my car would obliterate his times, but then it isnt built, and I cant drive to save my life let alone drag!
Aside from all of this, I think it is wrong for people on here to be so quick to discredit. He could well have a seriously impressive car, and not just in a straigth line. People are jumoing to conclusions. To get in the 12s in a nova is very very quick. Even if it remains front wheel drive, to get that time without proper tractioin is still impressive.
The only thing is, I know what is coing out of the woodwork over the coming months, and in his position I wouldnt be so quick to judge.
I would hope Marks car when finished will be easily in the tens, and I would probably be dissapointed if my car was more than 0.5 secs behind.
This is of course hypothetical as I said before, as you wont catch my car on the drag strip. I have HIDs, air con and sat nav ffs!
19 December 2002, 12:28 PM
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and if my car is ready I would expect it just behind marks (oh actually I can drive better 
) and infront of adams... lardy wide arsed thing... as we all know that his sat nav doesnt work
) and infront of adams... lardy wide arsed thing... as we all know that his sat nav doesnt work
19 December 2002, 12:29 PM
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You can have loads of power adam but all that crap you have just weighs it down and slows it, it's about power to weight ratio so you'll still be slow.
10's 1/4's..........don't make me laugh
ho ho ho
10's 1/4's..........don't make me laugh
ho ho ho
19 December 2002, 01:13 PM
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Oh Saxo boy, "take out the weak flat four", you obviously never driven a scooby.
So what would you put in it, make it FWD put a ****ty 1.6i, with a massive drain pipe sticking out the back that makes it sound like a wet fart when you rev it.
Grow up son, stop spending all that dosh on that ****ty FWD thing, save the money and you might be able to buy a grown up car one day, maybe even a scooby.
So what would you put in it, make it FWD put a ****ty 1.6i, with a massive drain pipe sticking out the back that makes it sound like a wet fart when you rev it.
Grow up son, stop spending all that dosh on that ****ty FWD thing, save the money and you might be able to buy a grown up car one day, maybe even a scooby.
How has it escaped your attention that I have a UK scooby with about 275bhp
Nope, I've never drive one, I walked the 25 miles to work in sub-zero temperatures this morning
I don't know what I'd stick in its place. I don't have that knowledge...I'd probaby look for something that would a) fit (obviously) and b) could run lots of fairly reliable power.
19 December 2002, 01:26 PM
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scoobee, no point going into it really as its all theoretical.
But, my car weighs in at 1200kg with the carbon fibre replacement items, and removed surplus crap such as cats, and various junked panels etc. That is with the sat extra stuff in it.
Skyline r34s weigh 1600kg, thats 33% more, yet has about the same power (wont know till on dyno, but could well be more). More importantly, 500bhp skylines do not have 500lbft, normally closer to 400lbft, and the torque can make a huge contribution to accelration.
Am not going to get het up by this, as 10s for mark would be a very nice bonus.
dont see why mine wont get into low 11s if andy f's can make 11.8 or whatever (andy, if I test this, you are welcome to do the driving as I hear you are pretty damn good!). I am only saying this since mine should weigh the same as andy's but with significantly more torque and power (>100 of each more), never mind a locked centre diff, and wider tyres.
(Simon de Banke is still making sense to me that wider tyres are worse for straight line traction due to the shape of the contact patch, so am little confused on that one. Can only assume that a bigger tyre means you can get away with lower pressure meaning you get a larger overall contact patch than would otherwise be possible with a narrow tyre.)
But, my car weighs in at 1200kg with the carbon fibre replacement items, and removed surplus crap such as cats, and various junked panels etc. That is with the sat extra stuff in it.
Skyline r34s weigh 1600kg, thats 33% more, yet has about the same power (wont know till on dyno, but could well be more). More importantly, 500bhp skylines do not have 500lbft, normally closer to 400lbft, and the torque can make a huge contribution to accelration.
Am not going to get het up by this, as 10s for mark would be a very nice bonus.
dont see why mine wont get into low 11s if andy f's can make 11.8 or whatever (andy, if I test this, you are welcome to do the driving as I hear you are pretty damn good!). I am only saying this since mine should weigh the same as andy's but with significantly more torque and power (>100 of each more), never mind a locked centre diff, and wider tyres.
(Simon de Banke is still making sense to me that wider tyres are worse for straight line traction due to the shape of the contact patch, so am little confused on that one. Can only assume that a bigger tyre means you can get away with lower pressure meaning you get a larger overall contact patch than would otherwise be possible with a narrow tyre.
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19 December 2002, 01:30 PM
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Saxo boy, pay no attention, most of us know who you are and that you have an impreza. We also understood your post, although I would point out, that the weaknesses can all be addressed without changing the engine, and a change would no doubt lose the advantages of light weight, equal length drive shafts and low centre of gravity, but thats not important in this thread.
19 December 2002, 01:47 PM
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Quite agree Adam, I'd go internal big time if I had the cash! In my quest for power I'd have to stick by one religion and that is that the burble must be retained
I do get a little annoyed by tuners that drop a new engine in a car in the spout off about how good it is. I'm looking forward to my first 1/4 mile run against the fastest UK saxo which is a supercharged VTS. I expect that I might loose but it'll be close. If I do get beaten then respect is due because the VTS is still driveable, still handles and still has its interior, sound system, etc.
Getting humped by a 2.0T Nova to me isn't getting humped by a Nova!!! It's a Calibra turbo (assuming the engine is from one of those) with a Nova chassis and bodyshell. I know lots don't agree with this but I strongly feel that if you are changing the engine you are changing the essence of the car.
Andy F, fleeted with the idea of a V8 engine beatie. If he'd stuck this in the scooby (somehow!!) then I'd batter his door down to get a run in it...but I'd secretly be a little dissapointed because I much prefer the route he's taking just now - i.e. tune....blow bits up.....think about it, admit to J Banks he was right and that he didn't get away with it forever.....rebuild...tune some more....rip up tarmac
I do get a little annoyed by tuners that drop a new engine in a car in the spout off about how good it is. I'm looking forward to my first 1/4 mile run against the fastest UK saxo which is a supercharged VTS. I expect that I might loose but it'll be close. If I do get beaten then respect is due because the VTS is still driveable, still handles and still has its interior, sound system, etc.
Getting humped by a 2.0T Nova to me isn't getting humped by a Nova!!! It's a Calibra turbo (assuming the engine is from one of those) with a Nova chassis and bodyshell. I know lots don't agree with this but I strongly feel that if you are changing the engine you are changing the essence of the car.
Andy F, fleeted with the idea of a V8 engine beatie. If he'd stuck this in the scooby (somehow!!) then I'd batter his door down to get a run in it...but I'd secretly be a little dissapointed because I much prefer the route he's taking just now - i.e. tune....blow bits up.....think about it, admit to J Banks he was right and that he didn't get away with it forever
.....rebuild...tune some more....rip up tarmac
19 December 2002, 02:20 PM
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I hope you lot do come to York as it will show you what I am capable of with a nova!
You see, my next project will be an impreza.
Adam m- why are you being nice to me on scoobynet and calling me (and everyone else on here) a w@nker on 22b.com???
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I can’t understand why you lot (the grAnade brigade) think you are so much cleverer than everyone else!
You don’t hear the guys with the proven cars spouting all this ****.
That’s cos they have nothing to prove!
I have been in contact with one of the guys with proven big horsepower and he has been nothing but a gentleman about my next project.
Its just a shame you lot can’t come out of the schoolyard.
You see, my next project will be an impreza.
Adam m- why are you being nice to me on scoobynet and calling me (and everyone else on here) a w@nker on 22b.com???
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I can’t understand why you lot (the grAnade brigade) think you are so much cleverer than everyone else!
You don’t hear the guys with the proven cars spouting all this ****.
That’s cos they have nothing to prove!
I have been in contact with one of the guys with proven big horsepower and he has been nothing but a gentleman about my next project.
Its just a shame you lot can’t come out of the schoolyard.
19 December 2002, 02:22 PM
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I guess NOSnova is using Nitrous to spool his turbo, as I'm sure the vauxhall 2 litre can take more than a 50hp jet. However, it would be nice to see previous timeslips/dyno readings.
I am disappointed that only a few people (Mr. Wallis among others) recognise what he has acheived. OK, so it's the classic 'bung a vauxhall turbo engine in a nova' mod, but for him to do 12's means that there's more to it than he's letting on, I'm guessing LSD/traction control/slicks? I have spent quite a few days at my local 1/4mile and I assure you that getting 12's in a FWD car is very,very hard, and even similar weight RWD cars such as Anglia's with cossie engines have problems with traction. Yes, the arguments about his car being a pure drag machine will probably stand true, but if you lot weren't so quick to jump down his throat he probably wouldn't have thrown down this challenge.
Yes he would end up in a 'modified saloons 2litre+' class, but it is a 'run-wot-ya-brung' event. For the sake of both sides I recommend runs with and without road legal tyres.
Chill out.
PS, perhaps NOS nova should look at this too:-http://meshier.com/fs/a
I am disappointed that only a few people (Mr. Wallis among others) recognise what he has acheived. OK, so it's the classic 'bung a vauxhall turbo engine in a nova' mod, but for him to do 12's means that there's more to it than he's letting on, I'm guessing LSD/traction control/slicks? I have spent quite a few days at my local 1/4mile and I assure you that getting 12's in a FWD car is very,very hard, and even similar weight RWD cars such as Anglia's with cossie engines have problems with traction. Yes, the arguments about his car being a pure drag machine will probably stand true, but if you lot weren't so quick to jump down his throat he probably wouldn't have thrown down this challenge.
Yes he would end up in a 'modified saloons 2litre+' class, but it is a 'run-wot-ya-brung' event. For the sake of both sides I recommend runs with and without road legal tyres.
Chill out.
PS, perhaps NOS nova should look at this too:-http://meshier.com/fs/a
19 December 2002, 03:11 PM
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Nova,
I called you a w@nker, because I was p1ssed off at the time that you had attacked marks achievements when I personally knew them to be real. Your reply was the exact reason why Mark had been reluctant to post them.
You have referred to mark and harvey as members of the grenade brigade (I like that name) in the past, yet now you say they have nothing to prove. Damn right they have nothing to prove, they did what they did for themselves, not to show you and others how great they are.
I have nothing to prove either, which is why you wont catch me racing you on a drag strip. I think the car is capable of whooping you completely, but since I would care if I lost, I dont care if it doesnt. I still think your times are very impressive, nova or not. The fact that its a nova is even more impressive. I bet you get to surprise a few people on the road.
But then thats the difference between the two of us. I prefer to sit back in my car and know that I am happy with it, rather than try to claim scalps, and put others in their place. If I wanted to do that I would have to learn to drive. I like my car because it is good looking, fast and easy to drive fairly quickly as well as comfortable and practical, I also get to muck around tuning it because engineering and technology are major interests of mine as well as a big part of my livelihood. Drag racing and winning are not.
I guess you feel the need to prove yourself more than I do. Fair enough. Enjoy your challenge, just dont take on Trout, Mark, Andy etc. as you may have bitten off more than you can chew Grenade Brigade members or not.
I called you a w@nker, because I was p1ssed off at the time that you had attacked marks achievements when I personally knew them to be real. Your reply was the exact reason why Mark had been reluctant to post them.
You have referred to mark and harvey as members of the grenade brigade (I like that name) in the past, yet now you say they have nothing to prove. Damn right they have nothing to prove, they did what they did for themselves, not to show you and others how great they are.
I have nothing to prove either, which is why you wont catch me racing you on a drag strip. I think the car is capable of whooping you completely, but since I would care if I lost, I dont care if it doesnt. I still think your times are very impressive, nova or not. The fact that its a nova is even more impressive. I bet you get to surprise a few people on the road.
But then thats the difference between the two of us. I prefer to sit back in my car and know that I am happy with it, rather than try to claim scalps, and put others in their place. If I wanted to do that I would have to learn to drive. I like my car because it is good looking, fast and easy to drive fairly quickly as well as comfortable and practical, I also get to muck around tuning it because engineering and technology are major interests of mine as well as a big part of my livelihood. Drag racing and winning are not.
I guess you feel the need to prove yourself more than I do. Fair enough. Enjoy your challenge, just dont take on Trout, Mark, Andy etc. as you may have bitten off more than you can chew Grenade Brigade members or not.
19 December 2002, 03:46 PM
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Scoobee,
How is it that NOSnova can appreciate the (more costly than his) acheivements of others, yet you seem to just dismiss everything, and you're the one that owns a subaru?
SO if someone on here puts their car into the 10s (which is entirely feesable) what will the problem be then? Not measured properly? Wrong tyres? Wrong surface?
For someone that complains about the "talkers" you sure have a lot to say for yourself.
Paul
How is it that NOSnova can appreciate the (more costly than his) acheivements of others, yet you seem to just dismiss everything, and you're the one that owns a subaru?
SO if someone on here puts their car into the 10s (which is entirely feesable) what will the problem be then? Not measured properly? Wrong tyres? Wrong surface?
For someone that complains about the "talkers" you sure have a lot to say for yourself.
Paul
19 December 2002, 04:24 PM
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who cares what its worth?
do people mod their cars to make them worth more?
I think even the dumbest of tuners isnt that stupid!
Nos, I know you said it as a joke, but you are actually right. I cant remember at all what the car feels like to drive, only that I loved it and hope I will love it as much next month when it comes back finally.
In the mean time, I have been driving a great 205 which I have now sold on to Adam B and two weeks ago I bougth myself a corrado G60, a second car that I have always wanted, and am loving every minute of pleasure it brings me, and will continue to do so even once the 22B has come back.
do people mod their cars to make them worth more?
I think even the dumbest of tuners isnt that stupid!
Nos, I know you said it as a joke, but you are actually right. I cant remember at all what the car feels like to drive, only that I loved it and hope I will love it as much next month when it comes back finally.
In the mean time, I have been driving a great 205 which I have now sold on to Adam B and two weeks ago I bougth myself a corrado G60, a second car that I have always wanted, and am loving every minute of pleasure it brings me, and will continue to do so even once the 22B has come back.
19 December 2002, 04:30 PM
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NOSNova, just wondering what colour your car is, so i can look out for it at Elvington. Would be interested to see the challenge you propose.
19 December 2002, 06:00 PM
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Noz, was that your White turbo Nova at The Pod in august??
It was a Pick-up or convertible style one??
I was quite impressed if it was??
If you wanna bet some money on racing a Scoob then come over to The Pod on 26th January and i will have a bet with ya mate..
Must add though, if that was you in Aug.. god knows how you managed to drop 1.2secs of your time??
Anyway, hope to race you in Jan
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It was a Pick-up or convertible style one??
I was quite impressed if it was??
If you wanna bet some money on racing a Scoob then come over to The Pod on 26th January and i will have a bet with ya mate..
Must add though, if that was you in Aug.. god knows how you managed to drop 1.2secs of your time??
Anyway, hope to race you in Jan
Rob
19 December 2002, 06:18 PM
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Adam,
Just to be clear.
I have respect for people who have fun with their cars, and whether that's an Imp, a Nova, or a Ferrari, I don't care. I like the tuning "thing", and I enjoy reading about it.
Just have a beef with people who only post negative stuff, without ever contributing anything worth while to read.
Mr. NOSNova's car deserves respect for doing a 12sec quarter mile. His posts however do not so far. But maybe that'll change ?
Just to be clear.
I have respect for people who have fun with their cars, and whether that's an Imp, a Nova, or a Ferrari, I don't care. I like the tuning "thing", and I enjoy reading about it.
Just have a beef with people who only post negative stuff, without ever contributing anything worth while to read.
Mr. NOSNova's car deserves respect for doing a 12sec quarter mile. His posts however do not so far. But maybe that'll change ?
19 December 2002, 06:52 PM
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EB- i didn't come on here to cause trouble in the first place but all i got was abuse from this lot
all the posts were "novas are ****, novas are slow" etc
it put my back up a little when people that know absolutely nothing about cars and tuning started slagging off my car.
just want to put the record straight about tuning.
a nova tuned by someone that knows what they are doing CAN beat a scoob tuned by an IT consultant (that knows bugger all about cars in the first place) and thinks they can tune!
all the posts were "novas are ****, novas are slow" etc
it put my back up a little when people that know absolutely nothing about cars and tuning started slagging off my car.
just want to put the record straight about tuning.
a nova tuned by someone that knows what they are doing CAN beat a scoob tuned by an IT consultant (that knows bugger all about cars in the first place) and thinks they can tune!