NOS nova

harvey- well i can't class you as one of the grenade brigade as you obviously know how to tune the impreza engine(without blowing it up!).

david- i did not "pay to have it done" all work was carried out by myself and a couple of friends(making the drive shafts etc).
yes this car is a stripped out racer with q/mile sprints in mind but i use road tyres and my best q/mile time was set on a dry road with road tyres on
i have addressed the launch issue with my very own version of launch control which wasn't on the car when i set that time.
i now have a little more power too(thanks to a better boost control system)!

TB- 263bhp!!! LMAO don't bother coming to york, you will look very silly.

NOS

David_Wallis

NOS.. How local do you live?? Dont live near a powerstation do you?

So fancy your chances in the new year

wheres my 150jets for my nitrous??

David

SecretAgentMan

I can't believe you lads have got the stamina to keep this going.

A fast car deserves respect, even though it may only be fast in a straight line - so mr Nova - 2 thumbs up.

BUT - what are you really trying to prove?

There will always be a quicker car - period.



Myself I'm perfectly happy with my mid-12 capable ticking timebomb of a scoob.



/J - and someone - please whoop Nova bootah.

LG John

Sorry, still not convinced. Changing the engine is changing the car IMO. The problem is i'm quite emotive when it comes to cars. I don't just see them as nuts, bolts, turbos, with seats. I see the personality in cars almost as if they were alive and for me thats a lot of the joy of it for me. Sometimes I drive my scooby in the morning and find myself 'telling it off' (i'm NOT joking) for being grumpy and running rough!! The car has character if you change the engine you change the character IMO.

Furthermore, if you are willing to stop at nothing (engineering wise) when it comes to tuning cars then there is no point in arguing cars at all. It just comes down to time/money. If you have infinate money and no tuning 'rules' then you will build the fastest car if you want. It's a matter of time, money and research! This makes it all pointless does it not. Surely the fun of it is when your get your scooby to beat a cossie or skyline (both v. tuneable engines) down the strip. Of course you could just shoehorn another engine in their, jump and and down on it till it fits and then blow them away but that's just too easy!!

I'm not scared with figures - so my car has cost me (inc mods) about £14k since I got it. For the extra it cost over the VTS I could have s/c and more the saxo giving it around 250bhp and it would be about the same or quicker than the scooby down the quarter mile. Or better yet, I could have bought a Nova, done some research, chucked a wad of cash at someone that knows what they are doing and got a beast back in return. But what would it be...a nova??? I could have just as easily bought a corsa, or a polo, or a transit van shell and got the same engine in somehow.

If you see cars simply as an engineering challenge then fair enough changing the engine, etc is fair play. To me its not as simple as that. There are things about my girlfriend I'd change (and vice versa) but these are small insignifcant things....I sure as hell wouldn't **** about with the key components that make her who she is....the car is no different.

Pavlo

blah blah blah....

so it is stripped out, and it is an 'event' special. not really an every day car (as in not my every day usage).

Still, good work on getting the traction.

might be different in feb with the cold, but then it's cold all year up north

It sounds like an interesting tool, now if only you could make 10 posts without throwing insults around, we can all be happy.

Paul

CataIunya

Nova Boy have you got blue leds on the screen washers and flashing dust caps too


Ha ha

David_Wallis

cataluyna (sp)

12.3... or 12.2 or whatever...

turbocharged / supercharged saxo vts (225 -240bhp) is only doing it in just under 15...

Erm one word respect... but nos nova.. could you either try and answer me or email me at david@wallis2000.co.uk ps.. nothing to prove just yet.. unless you can beat 345 bhp

David

LG John

Yeah, whats that all about??? every second car or van I see in edinburgh has blue bits somewhere

Dave the s/c vts's are well able to do much more than that! I got 15.3 in a standard VTS. I don't know what the best VTS 1/4 mile is but the guy that has one of the fastest VTS's in the country expects sub 13 when he returns to crail in the spring. The problem with FWD (and this is why I'd happily have a go against nosnova) is that on one run you might get 12.5 but then on the next by just spinning the wheels a little in 2nd and you'll go over the line at 13.5 or worse. The thing I like about the scooby is short of a crap gearchange your times should be nice and consistent.

R19KET

Saxo,

Just curious to know where you draw the line, with engine swaps/mods ?

Is it acceptable to drop a 22b engine into a UK, or STi, Or to bore/stroke our engines ?

NOS, So, come on, what's your car like WITHOUT the nitrous

Mark.

David_Wallis

Thats bullsh1t...

Im building a new engine... depending on boost... so say I run 30 - 40 psi boost and 150bhp nitrous...

Im expecting 650bhp so If I strip my car and run it then Ill get 9secs so that must make mine the fastest?

David

hypoluxa

David,

Why go to all the effort when its only going to last for 9 seconds?

Doesn't sound very reliable to me

Katana

Only if we're allowed to have the tranny that you're selling in it too.

LG John

I don't know ricket...I don't make the rules I personally think you should work with the engine you've been given. I'd change a lot of the bits and bobs around my engine and would go internal if I had the cash but I'd still work on what is there now.

Dave it has 250bhp and tips the scales at 935kg...sub 13 is possible is it not? He's getting his pistons upgraded at the moment but we're going to meet up at Crail in the new season to see if my scooby can cut it against the fastest saxo. Win, Lose (likely ) or draw I'll post the results up for all to see

Andy.F

I think keeping the original engine shows lack of imagination

Ever since I was 17 I've been putting bigger engines in smaller cars, or at least swapping to the biggest from that model ie 1100 > 2000 Escort Mk1, retaining of course the drum brakes all round Then when that got boring fitted a 3.0 V6 It used to eat 911's no problem ......Oh how I laughed
It makes complete sense to fit a 2.2/2.3/2.4/2.5 in the impreza, even a 3.3 as Pat is doing.

A 2.0 16v more or less drops in to a Nova, so why not ? You have the option of spending £2k+ on tuning the 1.3 to make it unreliable and peaky, or reliable big power and torque from a 2.0 swap.....doh, can't decide

Even better (read cost effective) results can be had by swapping across manufacturers, it just gets a bit more technical. The result is even more satisfying though See Stevie's twin turbo V8 Granada for example. My last kit car ran 9.3 sec 1/4's for a build cost of less than £15k.
Mixing and matching is the way to go fast without spending a fortune. How much would it cost to make a 2.0 scoob run 9's ? Car + £25k at least I recon.

David_Wallis

saxo... still not convinced.... put it this way...

the logbook says impreza turbo so thats what the car is.. end of story.

David

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Nos, you may laugh at my "measly" 263bhp but i can still do sub 5 sec 0-60 runs, WET or dry
To be totally honest with you, my car is still in the very lightly tuned form capable of mid 13 sec 1/4 runs (being abusive that is) which considering its quite a heavy car, (1245kg) isnt too bad
Now, give me an engine rebuild and oh, 380bhp or the likes and id be getting quicker times than you will
You also have to consider that my car is ONLY running 15psi, its also considerably newer than your rust bucket nova and hasnt been stripped out as i use it for normal road use and not for running in straight lines (ie mine goes round corners )

Tony

LG John

Andy you are clearly the purist engineer though - just need to look around your garage to see that! Your car is all dials and gizzmo's designed to tell you whats going on.....not a nodding scooby in sight. I respect you and NosNova's ideals on tuning but I personally don't think I'd feel comfortable with that route. Your current car is awsome but it just wouldn't be the same for me if you took me out in it and all I could hear was a V6 soundtrack. I must say though, breeding engines into the boot is interesting

In order for tuning cars to be fair play you need to have limitations imposed by the cars itself. You've recently found those limitations and you're having to work out ways to solve these problems. I'm sure you could have just sourced an engine with more power than you currently have and shoehorned it in...that would have been too easy though. Furthermore, your feedback from taking your Impreza engine to the limits filters back down the ranks for the benefit of all

ScoobySnack

I think NOS can make a go of this

Assuming that he has launch control, and 250bhp weighing 935kg (call it 265bhp /tonne). All equal a scooby(1235kg) would need 330bhp to be on par....

Seems close to me....... down to the gearing (think Nova may have shorter ratio's) and driver control........


Go on

J

Adam M

but thats going on power to weight alone!

what about torque and grip?


there are plenty 330+ bhp imprezas around.

Harvey's is 420ish, then there's bob's, andy's, tim's, trout's, david w's etc. Christian's is probably more like 500.

all well over 340 at least.

ScoobySnack

Adam, they are very fair points..............

Would you assume torque to be even or not on these 2 blown litres? ...
Would 4 wheel drive equal 2 wheel with launch control , possibley a traction device?

I wonder what the Power at the wheels (PAW) would be ? Could be a case of having more on a nova but not getting it down.



J

Andy.F

Agree but who said anything about being fair !!

That's why racing has classes.
Production saloons, lightly modified with standard blocks and heads such as yours(saxo) and mine (read slow).
Modified saloons such as Mark A's 2.5/2.6 or whatever it is with the original engine/transmission design pushed to the limits (read quick)
And Special saloons with no holds barred engine and chassis combination
(read f'n quick)

As you go up the classes there are fewer compromises, it's not necessarily any more expensive to have a top notch special saloon than a top production saloon, the special will however be MUCH faster.
NOS Nova probably fits in the 'special' category.
Going head to head with a Production car, I know where my money would be !

Apply the same approach to a scoob however and you will have a 600 bhp monster weighing around 1000 kg, wonder how that would compare to a production Nova

sammyh

iTrader: (1)

I would have to say the Nova could run a very quick 1/4 mile!

There was a time when I had a 250bhp 205 Gti it had the following:

16 mi16 lump, lightened/balanced, head, cams, throttle bodies and a six speed box running on 17's

At york (which did not have the best of surfaces) it did

5.2 to 60 and 12.9 1/4 mile

I loved this car and thought it was unbeatable (its dead now)

I moved onto Scoob ownership and it opened my eyes, the 205 which is a great handling car is no match for a scoob on a daily basis. I can now go on long journeys and get out of the car unaided fit shopping in it and the kids and finally wear my baseball cap the correct manner.

So don't knock the little Nova for what it can do (because it probably can) respect it!

Count yourself lucky that with your scoob you have one of the best all round cars money can buy and bear in mind that it was'nt designed for Santa Pod was it

Sam
(sticking up for both sides and not mentioning the twisties )

Andy.F

How has this thread gone so long without anyone mentioning 'twisties'

Katana

As I said before lend me the cash and I'll race him.

LG John

Andy, you just did

I'm now growing confident against the supercharged VTS. I tested my 60-100 (*) time on a flat long straight both ways today. I was running on optimax (slower than SUL in my car) on a mild day (for once). Got 7.5 seconds with relative ease so I suspect colder weather and SUL might be closer to 7 dead. One of the SSC lads has a supercharged VTR with bags of power and he got 9.1 for the same test. My scooby should do those tests all day long without a problem, a overblown saxo is more likely to let go.

Andy you've successfully made my point better than I could. NOS is comparing his car in a state of tune that most people on here haven't achieved/seeked to achieve. An equally modified Impreza would probably dip under the 10 seconds mark. I don't have a beef with him having a fast nova and just can't be done with the 'LOL, I beat and Impreza, LOL at the look on his face, LOL, LOL, LOL' type comments. I could probably modify my nikes enough to beat a wrx buyeye.....its not hard

* = sorry no timing gear but started clock just before 65 and stopped just after 105. I've already calculated this to be 60-100mph by researching the ratio's for my car.

Pavlo

yawn....

when the flag* drops, the bullsh1t stops, see you all at york.

paul




*i know they use lights nowadays!

SecretAgentMan

Hey Adam - U forgot my silver thing in that list of yers - I find that most offensive.

Oh - and my scoob is actually better in the twisty bits than in a straight line. (Had to get twisties in there)

*lmao*

Merry Christmas all!

/JMuppet

Turbo_Steve

Hmm...is it me or has it all gone quiet in the "Opel/GM/Vauxhall" corner?

NOS nova

well said pavlo.

David_Wallis

well its all torque in here.. and I got more than harvey...

I dont have a clue what my car would do the 1/4 in though....

I would expect 13 or under though..

I will see you at york paul (whenever it is... )

Bring me a spare gasket though will you

I dont claim for my car to be fast though... someone find me a thread where I did... power though... and Its all my own work.. no dodgy I/C kits here... no paying fabricators for custom this that and the other...

David