turboman786

Lets face it..most fat americans..and skinny ones for that matter are numb to the max due to overeating and watching crappy american propogande on their boob toobz...

They have lost the baility to debate and instead simply regurgitate the crap they see on tv.....lets just pray us brits dont go the same way

Miles

FFS. In all honesty, we can't live without America <period>. Stop whinging and bring an intelligent debate to this forum. Saying "Isn't America horrible to XYZ" doesn't wash.

Try again.

Shropshire-Guy

Having just read on here some of the posts i would like to point out we are 18 months after sept 11 th which was truly horrific i admit, but the truth is Osama bin laden is no more nearer geting caught then oct 12th. He will never be caught and the only people that get hurt are the inocent victims, After 18 months, Bushs campain on terror is stuffed. When USA,UK and other UN forces start getting body bags things will change. Both Bush and Blair are in a no win situation. If Blair wasnt that far up Bushes *** ,we in Uk would not be in the situation we are. Plus like i said earlier its a War the Daddy started but didnt finish and son wants to. If USA want a war go do it. But leave UK out and when the Big Bombs been dropped you can go down in History as the country that Fecked up the world.

Shaun

I have never read so much crap, as I have read from certain posters in this topic. The ignorance, lack of understanding and basic childish comments are truely amazing!!

People NEED to look at the facts a bit more CAREFULLY!! I am neither pro or against USA, but you lot wanna argue about who won wars etc etc (ONE that has been mentioned was lost by USA) but the others were slightly more to do with politics, as concerning deals being done etc.

As for WWII........ If Hitler had invaded the UK (which he was going to do), instead of taking on the eastern side of Europe WE WOULD BE GERMAN...........NOTHING from the USA would of stopped that.

It may be helpful if people actually did some research, before they sounded off about subjects that are quite dear to some.

Regards,
Shaun.

IF THERE ARE ANYMORE NAME CALLING ETC WHATEVER, THIS THREAD WILL BE CLOSED!

Shropshire-Guy

WELL BEST THING U CAN DO IT RUDDY CLOSE IT THEN.SO MUCH FOR FREEDOM OF SPEACH

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

"The USA saved our sorry limey asses."
Hahahahahahahaha!
They always conveniently forget that no american soldier bore arms in the first one until 1917, and not one used them in anger until 1918, when we'd been involved since 1914. I suppose that if we'd been scared to get in too, the Germans might have taken over Europe, and so who saved who??
As for WW2, again, they were neutral, and only came in when it suited them, after they were attacked. For heaven's sake, they STILL needed Hitler to declare war on them or we'd still have been on our own!! And while we held out, they sold us/leased us lodas of stuff that we're STILL paying for!!
OK, let's support them this time, but let's do it their way: sell 'em loads, and come in 4 years late!
And didn't they support us well during the war in the Falklands? They were so scared of p*ssing off the South Americans, that they fefused to support us at the United Nations.
Hardest missions? In the Gulf war, it was OUR lads in Tornadoes that had to fly at low level, bombing runways, while the USA "Top Guns" hid at very high altitude, well away from AA fire.
Do I even have to mention "Friendly Fire"? I thought not.
As far as I'm concerned, you can all go and fight who you like, but I sincerely hope you get YOUR sorry *sses kicked, just like you did in Vietnam!
Alcazar

Chip

Shaun,
If you want to vent your anger/opinion on this subject then thats fine.But dont close the thread just because you dont agree with whats been said.

Chip.

Shaun

Chip,
I will close the thread if people consider name calling a mature way of debate.

Constructive opinion is one thing, calling someone a W*nker is something else.

Regards,
Shaun.

hotsam

Wow, this thread is full of silly stereotypes and name-calling!

Anyway..some corrections...

Those debts were forgiven.

I found this on a British site for school children.

The Americans provided the logistics and intelligence support that enabled the British to fight halfway around the world.

[quote]Hardest missions? In the Gulf war, it was OUR lads in Tornadoes that had to fly at low level, bombing runways, while the USA "Top Guns" hid at very high altitude, well away from AA fire. [\quote]

Don't blame America for the 1970's era aircraft that the British pilots were flying. Stealth bombers cost 1 billion dollars a piece, which is why the UK wasn't using them.

Do I need to mention that people get killed in wars? There's a lot of shooting going on, you know.



There are 50 states. Puerto Rico is not a state.

It has been American policy to be prepared for a two front war since the 1950s.

BUD/Slover - Thanks for reinforcing the stereotype that all Americans are loud and obnoxious hillbillies.

skiddus_markus

I think the technical term is allies.Both countries help each other.The USA has a bigger budget/army than the UK so obviously will provide a larger proportion of any force.
As for the US army being better,I think that any regiment thinks they are the best at what they do and it's all part of your training to give you that belief.I had a long conversation with a Royal Marine friend of mine on Christmas Eve and couldn't believe how much he looked down on not just his American counterparts but also other UK units too.

hotsam

You'll find that US Navy Seals or Green Berets will do the same thing. They're all good and thankfully all on the same side.

AmericanGirl

"As far as I'm concerned, you can all go and fight who you like, but I sincerely hope you get YOUR sorry *sses kicked, just like you did in Vietnam!
Alcazar"

What a horrible thing to say! Why would you wish such a thing upon a person, let alone a country.

"got some news for ya *** kickers, the world is bigger than the US of A

50% of the world population believe "9/11" wasn't a bad thing!"

9/11 wasnt a bad thing? are you out of your ****ing mind?!?!

skiddus_markus

Hotsam-that was my point.As part of their training,soldiers are taught to believe they are the best and this instils confidence.It is obviously deepset because we witnessed 3 bouncers "escorting" a customer from the pub with one of them helping him out by punching him in the face whilst the other 2 held his arms.My friend seemed to think this was perfectly acceptable as when they ambush people they do it on a 3 of you to 1 of them principle..

Katana

For fear of being the next Afghanistan or Iraq or Cuba. Speaking of which, they still have them sanctions on Cuba right?

Les H

Alcazar
What the hell are you on my friend?, You seem to have a serious problem with the US, if thats the way you feel, fair enough but posting the kind of offensive crap like I have just seen is bang out of order.

The views and opinions of some of the posters on this thread are most certainly not held by the vast majority of the British people. Its a sad fact the it seems to be fashionable just now to give the US a good slagging, I can live with that, freedom of speach and all, but not the kind of Sh*t that you seem to be spouting.
Are you a Muslim by the way?

Katana

lol freedom of speech? A place where moslems gets rounded up into detention camps, never to be seen again? I swear they're the new jews in this world. What about the Black community there thats being held back? The only people benefitting from this freedom of speach thing is the KKK. I agree with freedom of speech, but only if everyone gets it..

Oh, strip searching the Deputy Prime Minister of another nation which thought it was an ally to begin with also won't help the PR there.

hotsam

The Moslems that were "rounded up" were in the country illegally. Thousands of Mexicans are rounded up everyday, but nobody complains about it because it is not politically correct to do so.

Held back? Let's see...affirmative action programs that ensure minority participation in the business world, social programs, education discounts, private organizations handing out money left and right, etc... Hardly being held back, and statistically speaking, catching up.

If anyone is being "held back", it's Native Americans. They're the ones living on desolate reservations, suffering from alcoholism, lack of education, and poor housing.

If you're going to bash someone, at least do your homework first.

Katana

And thats a good thing then? And why aren't the KKK or the IRA counted as a terrorist organisation? And what about Cuba?

Pavlo

All this talk of what the US did for everyone's benefit in WWII is stupid. Much of the world was at wa, the US stepped in because Japan effectively declared war upon them. At the sametime they help save Europe from Hilter, along with the Canadians, Australian and British armies. And well, you know the rest of the story.

But now, today, the world is not at war, but the US leadership seems determined to start one. This is not a war on terrorism, this is about a perceived threat, a threat to what is a long and involved question.

If the US wants to depose the Iraq dictatorship, Saddam and all his cronies, why not do that. It wouldn't be an entirely bad thing in itself, but going to war with an entire nation is a bit dodgy if you ask me.

The efficient removal of the Taliban from Afghanistan seems like a good move for all concerned (except the Taliban), but in that instance, the US & UN didn't start w war with all the Afgan people, which is what it's very close to doing with Iraq.

Exactly what is the threat here? Is it that Saddam might have weapons that he might use if certain chain of events might happen? Who is Saddam going to strike/invade?

Paul

Chip

Shaun,
Point taken

Chip

Katana

Don't get me wrong. I used to love America. Fek, I was even raised there FFS. It was a time when Americawas truelly a beacon of hope and an example for everyone.

Now they've come down to this level. Yup. Oh I heard that the education system is so bad there, that 60% of Americans think the UK is in the Middle East.

mattyUSA

lets all take easy in here. The name calling is ridiculous!

Fact is countries around the world do not have a choice but to be an ally with the USA as once we "beat" the enemy only our allies are going to get a piece of the economic pie. EVERYTHING is about money make no mistakes about it. Peoples may not agree with us but the government of those disagreeing will side with us. Everyone wants a piece of iraq and the US will be the one dividing it up. You all will see. Alot of people in the US think this is the beginning of WW3..but in reality it isnt even close.

hotsam

Did I say it was a good thing? I was just pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about. I was expressing how annoying it is to see people bashing a country but getting all the facts wrong. The link to the BBC article about medical funding is a more intelligent way to structure an argument. It shows that Bush is indeed a moron.

The KKK isn't a terrorist organization because - contrary to what you might think - they don't often go around lynching black people. Doing so would ensure a government crackdown. Basically what they are is a bunch of drunken rednecks who like to put up websites and burn crosses in the middle of empty fields.

The IRA is obviously a terrorist organization and was (is) largely funded by private American citizens...American citizens who are decended from Irish immigrants who had intense hatred for the UK. In my opinion the government should have put a stop to it, but doing so would have alienated the voter base. Politicians' jobs depend on votes you know.

The Cuba policy is a joke.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Hotsam: you'll note that your website DOESN'T say that we have stopped paying you back, 'cos that would be a lie. We ARE still paying back what we owe, dispite the USA tring to rewrite history.
Friendly fire: yes, OK, people get killed, but not usually by our allies! Are you aware that in the Gulf, and in Bosnia, we lost more men to your friendly fire than to enemy fire????
Falklands: OK, I take your point about logistics, but if you seriously believe you support your so-called allies by refusing to vote for them in the UN, you're sadder than I thought possible. Maybe if we'd had the support of ALL the full-time members of the security council, we wouldn't have had to fight at all? But no....the USA deemed it more important to protect it's economic interests...............
LesH: sorry if it offends you matey, but it's the truth, and the truth hurts. If you believe we shouldn't say things that offend people, just because they offend people, I suggest you don't read this thread any more. And no, I'm not a Moslem. Would it make it any different if I was? Do you really believe only Moslems dislike the warmongering bully-boy USA?
American girl: Yeah, it's a horrid ything to say, but if you people want a war, and you seem to want one, off you go and have it on your own. I pesonally don't want even one British soldier/airman/sailor killed to save your economic asses.
Alcazar [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Mr Footlong

iTrader: (7)

I don't have anything bad in general to say about the USA, as without them kicking Cuba's *** out of my home in 1983, many, many of my relatives and loved ones would be dead and I can say that with absolute certainty. For that I am eternally grateful that they are around

Whether they did it just to help us/the american students out is another matter, but anyway....

The problem that I have is that unfortunatly, both us and the US have complete gonads running the show in our name. We are unlucky enough to be stuck with Blaaaa, but jebus, could you imagine living in a country where 'Bush or Chimp' is boss? I feel both sorry and worried for you guys at the same time

Cheers,

Nick.

[Edited by Mr Footlong - 12/26/2002 9:51:31 PM]

EvilBevel

Can we have a bit less flag waving, someone will poke someones eye out this way.

Besides, what did the Romans ever do for us eh ?

skiddus_markus

.........##and a happy new year.

hotsam

Alcazar -

There's this great tool called "Google." Try it sometime. Found this:

You're forgetting an important word in the Lend-Lease Act. LEND.

Of course the US is reponsible for friendly fire deaths. When the vast majority of the people shooting are American troops, it's almost a statistical certainty!

As far as the Falklands is concerned...actions speak louder than words. The US aided the UK, the UK won. Do you seriously think the UN has the power to do anything? Has recent history taught you anything? You can pass resolutions until you're red in the face, but 9 times out of 10 either nobody pays attention or countries work around them. Resolutions only mean something if someone will back them up with force. That someone is either the US and/or NATO.

Footlong: Living with Bush sucks. Everytime I hear his voice I cringe. Hopefully there's only 2 more years of him.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Hotsam: Only 2 more years of him? You, (and we), should be so lucky. A pound to a penny he gets in again.
Read your Google quote with interest, since our TV has recently stated categorically that we're still repaying......and no politician, ours, or yours, corrected them. So who's right? The phrase "never trust a politician" springs to mind, but in this case, it would be in their interest to correct it, or am I missing something.
Friendly fire: You're missing the point- we haven't killed any American soldiers etc, but we have taken more casualties from ff than from enemy. Any dead Brit is one too many, but to be killed by your allies really sucks. And don't trot out the line about deaths in war please, it doesn't wash.
Recent history: my reading of recent history tells me that we, (and you), should keep out of wars we can't win, Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan, to name but 3. It also teaches me that Osama was number 1 enemy, we must,and will, have him at all cost, that's our reason for invading Afghanistan, and now ALL that seems to be forgotten while we go after a guy who has done NOTHING to ANYONE during the last 10 years! What is going on? Your incumbent is dragging us all into something we won't be able to win, or stop once it starts.
I strongly suggest that you go back to your Google, and search for a film called "The Day After". When you've seen it, try to get some of your eagle politicians to see it too. Please. For all our sakes.
Your very uneasy friend, Alcazar.:

Katana

This is why the USSR was a necessary evil in my view. The balance of power was in equilibrium. The world was actually safer then than now..

edit: I don't know how this war is gonna be fought, but the next war would be fought using sticks and stones..

[Edited by Katana - 12/27/2002 11:57:59 AM]