Claudius

I do not believe in god or any religion either, but that isnt called atheist. Atheist means believing god doesnt exist.

Claudius

Forgot to say hehehe

TelBoy

Claudius, the antagonistic agnostic!!

Try saying that after a night down the boozer!!

Claudius

I'd have problems, I'm sure

rich1231

Mr evo,
your posts stink of you being an obnoxious teenage idiot, with no friends and immense dislike for anything but the sound of your own voice. The more outrageous you can be the more you become the centre of attention (so you think). You have the opinions of a turd. Your soul is empty and you dont deserve the time you have here. One day you will utter one of your cretinous utterings in front of someone that will take immediate physical dislike to you and good ridance to your hate filled pustule of a body.

camk

Can I just clear up 1 or 2 small things. If the US had not joined the allies in WW2 we would not be speaking German, we'd all be speaking Russian as the Russians would have in all likelyhood have defeated Germany. The invasion of the UK by Germany at the time when they were crushing all before them(1940) would have been almost impossible as the majority of the British fleet and the RAF remained intact and as such it was a reasonable to assume that a large scale invasion would have failed.
We needed air and sea supremacy to re-invade France, without it its impossible to move so many troops and equipment and maintain any semblance of supply. The UK could never have taken Europe back from the Germans without the US(we would have been lucky to just hold on to our own small island), however the Russians would very likely have taken much more of NW Europe from the Germans than they actually did. The UK's fate would have been sealed by Communist Russia.....so you take your pick. The US have a lot to learn about pluralism,geography and cultural integration, however they are only culturally flawed not really an evil dictatorship.

Regards

Cammy

GaryCat

Those of you with strong feelings towards the US, whether positive or negative, I recommend you read "Stupid White Men" by Michael Moore.

Excellent book on the Hypocracy of Clinton & Bush, how Bush stole the election and how the big corporates run the country to the detriment of the people.

Gary

Mr evolution

do you have a smello vision computer then ?

Turds have opinions then. See you learn something new every day.


ROTFLMAO where can I fill it up then ? I can only assume that you have some sort of messiah complex like George Bush if you think you can make judgements on how long I deserve to live. Who do you think you are Jesus.


obnoxious yes
teenage I wish
idiot no not really but as people say there is no right or wrong only a point of view so however much you might think you are right your opinions are no better or more valid than mine.




[Edited by Mr evolution - 12/30/2002 3:05:09 PM]

TelBoy

Mr eveloution, if you would like to tell me what is "right" about cheering the destruction of the Twin Towers, and making wholly unsubstantiated assumptions about the opinions of the victims, then i'd be interested to hear it.

I don't think you've thought through your own opinions thoroughly. You might think you have, but one day, hopefully, the time will come when you "grow up", and appreciate your comments for the vacuous, attention-seeking dross that they really are. We all go through that stage. You are merely still in it.

Claudius

LMFAO @ mr evo!

johnfelstead

You seemed to be happy to do the same to 90% of the worlds population. Thats about 5.2 billion people you would be happy to see dead. http://blue.census.gov/cgi-bin/ipc/popclockw

EvilBevel

Snap: just realized who our dear MrEvolution is. Or better, are.

MrDeference

funny. Lets just start with his family, and he can tell us which 90% deserve to be culled.

King RA

Perhaps we can take 90% from them all and leave the remaining 10% on Evos doorstep.

turboman786

so anyone gonna enlighten the rest of us as to who mr evoluition is/are??

CraigH

Cam,

It depends if Germany would've still attacked Russia doesn't it. Russia wanted to keep out of the war and were willing to "trade" a huge amount of the country with Germany to avoid conflict but Hitler wasn't interested as he classed Russians as "sub human".

So they invaded and got caught in a Russian winter without supplies as the army advanced faster than the supplies could keep up. Not too clever really. This may be 8ollox cos is only what I've read (may have been Dan Dare )

Mr Evolution you're quite scary

Amazing the prejudice against the US. Think people should look a little closer to home sometimes before blaming the US for everything.

Mr evolution

Quite simple really as I have said there is no right or wrong only ya point of view.




That is where you are totally wrong I have spent hours thinking out my opinions and they all come back to the idea of what justice and good and evil really are. The society we live in determines our views of 'right and wrong' so as society changes so does the definitions of 'right and wrong'.
One of the few common factors of many ideaologies and religions is the idea of judgeing people by your own standards and not expecting more from them than you expect from yourself. Apply this to the USA the UK etc which as a society has supported countless actions around the world involving the attemtps at world domination fighting against countries rights to govern themselves etc then it becomes clear that society in general through its actions in who it votes for leaders supports the control and killing of innocent people eg Dresden Hirhoshima Nagasaki Afganistan (from the British the USSR and the Yanks) not to mention colonialization and the fact that the USA as a country was founded on the murder of the native population) Australia etc.


these nations are saying to the world that killing people is OK so if they have all done it why can't terrorists and at least the terrorists can claim that the USA f#ucked with them first. Countless examples through out history have shown that animals look after number one and only cooperate when it is mutually benificial. So when people are suffering as a result of actions by governments elected by people surely the people are responable in some way for those actions. At least terrorists are prepared to die for what they believe in would George Bush do the same.






you are a grown man with four thousand posts on scooby net somone should gat a life and grow up not sure who though.


btw I could fully explain the concept of justice but since it would involve about ten pages of writing you would have to pay me money or amaze me so much with your stupidity that I felt compelled to help out.

TelBoy

But you are implicitly condoning the slaughter of thousands of innocent people. Some of whom were my friends. Knowing them, i think they would have said "If you have a problem, say it to my face, not effectively shoot me in the back when there is nothing i can do except burn to death".

Get a grip Mr evolution. Smell the coffee. What you are championing is profoundly insulting to me. If your friends were killed, and i came and spat on their graves, how would you feel??

I won't even begin to address the post count issue. I have wasted enough time as it is conversing with you.

Claudius

mr evolution is right that what's right or wrong to you, raised in a western democracy, isnt necessarily right or wrong to someone with a different culture and education.

I would argue that there isnt one right way or opinion, just differences.

For example, Why is it wrong to live like the Saudis? Because you fvckin think so? It's not worse, it's not better, it's different.

rich1231

Mr Evo,
you are still closely related to Kermit the Frog.
You are confusing actions and personal morality with actions taken by and for nations. There is no comparison. I as an individual can have immense compassion and live by my moral code which is by and large that laid down in the ten commandments. I don't happen to believe in any God but I do believe in respect for others and their rights. I will not harm others knowingly with my actions.
On the other hand governments have different priorites guiding them. WW2 and the use of Atomic weapons in particular is a regrettable situation, but many lives were saved on both sides by use of the weapons. That is absolute fact. By taking what seems to be a barbaric action upon the Japanese poplulation, many many lives were saved. It was the right thing to do at the time. To compare Al-q activity with a formally declared war is insane. The twin towers were full of innocents, the grief and fear inflicted on the victim's families was monstrous.

King RA

I can whole heartedly recommend the film 'Bowling for Columbine'. If you watch this it will show you what a "messed up" country the USA is and will explain this argument.

Mr evolution

In my opinion Hiroshima and Nagasaki were an exercise in testing and demonstrating the power of nuclear weapons and did not save any lives this is based on my interpritation of the facts available I don't understand how anyone else could look at those facts and see differently but I respect that every one has their own point of view. I don't think anyone can deny that the USA and Europe has continually attempted to control events in other countries ie invading India, Bay of pigs in Cuba the fact that England claimed a quarter of the globe as part of its Empire etc.


In the majority of these conflicts innocent people were killed by the USA and Europe but somehow for the USA to kill innocent people is OK for XYZ reason but for terrorists to kill people for XYZ reason is all wrong. In my view only one set of these people is prepared to die for what they believe and that is the terrorists so for them God is the judge but George Bush with his we are right you are wrong attitudes (reminicent of the *****) is still here largley supported by the people in his country. You cannot deny that terrorists believe they are doing what is right by god.


So what if the towers were full of innocents that has never stopped the USA or Israel or England or Russia before so why should it stop Al Queda. Indeed I'm sure the grief was bad for the familys of the people involved but why should I care more about them than the innocent people killed Palestine or Afganistan at least those people don't have the added pain of living under an occupying Army and having lost all they own to an invading force.


The fact is if you were from another country like Pakistan palestine etc you would fully support the terrorists. Over fifty percent of the worlds population as a recent survey showed thaught 9/11 was a good thing based on my belief that justice is based on the opinions the majority of people in society hold based on a world society the terrorists actions were correct and Justified.

MrDeference

Your reasoning is laughable.
Is this the majority before or after you have disposed of 90% of the population?

camk

Nagasaki and Hiroshima were for 2 reasons, 1 to end the war with Japan without having to invade Japan directly and secondly to Warn the Russians to remember agreements made at Yalta regarding the carving up of previously German held territory(to discourge further expansion). It has been written that the allies were discussing taking on remaining German army divisions and attacking the Russians at the end of the war in Germany to get back some Russian held territory.
Germany had no big beef with Britain before the war and saw themselves bizarrely as equals, the issue they had with the Russians(slavs) was as you say racially motivated and the **** party did see the menace of communism as one of Europe's greatest threats(in their eyes). That is why they invaded Russia.

Happy New Year
Cammy

rich1231

Mr Evo,
you are mistaken. Japan as someone has already pointed out was very well prepared to defend its lands should an invasion occur. The bombing's did bring a very quick end to the war.

The test of a society in my opinion is how it deals with those that disagree with how it functions. In Britain and the US we are able to voice our opinions that differ with those of the state, no one will lock us up or shoot us in the back of the head in the middle of the night. Elsewhere in the world, the middle east for example, it seems that we would not be offered the same right of expression. That is where tolerant democracies stand head and shoulders above feudal type dictatorships.


PS most of Michael Moore's research is flawed, IMHO he seeks to sensationlise if at all posible.

ChrisB

Which is at odds with the facts. Given how fanitical the Japanese defended the smaller islands in the Pacific, taking the main land would have taken months, if not years.

1/3 of the US Marines who invaded Iwo Jima died, that for an island 8 square miles in size. This after 10 weeks of bombing and two days of shelling. D Day was Feb 19. The island was declared secure on Mar 26.

camk

Mr Evolution(sic) was that 50% vote one of those Sky TV press the red button ones...you are either a wind up merchant or a crazy sick fundamentalist(think Muslim Red Neck and you'll get the picture).
The Western world is far from the Socialist utopia that I'd like to see but its easily the best situation we've seen on earth since civilization(sic) started. As ever your weak arguments are purely based on the perceived negative issues of your chosen opponent, lets hear what you're Utopian(Non Secular Musilm) society offers before you start blabbing off about how bad the current guys are. Honestly the quality of debate in this country has went downhill since the late 60's don't even mention the negative effect of the internet.....


Regards
Cammy

camk

Claudius,

The issue for most westerners with your example of Saudi lifestyle just being different is that it is NOT always chosen, no Musilm country is secular in that it allows other views and religions to exist side by side. This is allowed in the majority of the Western world, when I lived in Glasgow i could see a Mosque and Jewish temple from my office window FFS. Freedom of expression and worship are purely Western traits....maybe the day will come when we see it as a weakness. Then bad thinks will surely happen.

Mr Evolution(think single cell organism),
Can I ask that for historical accuracy you use Britain rather than England I have a medal in front of me from the British Afganistan war(1878-1880) which my Great Great Grandfather was involved in. He was in 78th Foot Regiment and was never a day out of his Kilt for 5 years in India, if you'd said he was English he'd have kicked your ****, so please respect my heritage from your ignorance.

Regards
Cammy

hotsam

Michael Moore doesn't do research...he gets as many random video clips as he can and tries to put a story together.

dba

Hotsam,

what evidence do you have in accusing Moore in such a way? (srious question)

Mr Evolution,

you are now trying to argue *intelligently* are you? Yet you have posted;

All of which is not that important since the world will be destroyed soon and I can re build it 'properly' with good American values not like those nasty Islamic values. We are good they are bad just incase you forgot.

you are an imbecile,and no,i don't think you are intitled to express your views when they are clearly intended to incite racial hatred.Its against the ****ing law and you a bigoted ****.