Stopped by the Police??
29 December 2002, 11:32 PM
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I've been stopped twice in 10 years, once I deserved it, but he let me off (lost and frustrated at night), the other I head a headlight gone.
On the whole I think they (traffic) do a good job, but sometimes you do have to wonder.
Paul
On the whole I think they (traffic) do a good job, but sometimes you do have to wonder.
Paul
30 December 2002, 12:28 AM
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When i got my licence at 17 (i looked about 14)i had a rs turbo got pulled at least 3/4/5 times a week always down the police station producing! so i used to go at the same time every week with a few producers so it was the same women her remark was " oh not you again" eventualy she had a word and i didn't get pulled again, well not in that car anyway.
30 December 2002, 12:43 AM
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I remember being told by a barrister 30 years ago that you do not have to answer ANY questions put to you by a police officer who has stopped you. If they did not intend to arrest you, you were within your rights to drive away.
Is this still the case? Burr? Nathan?
Is this still the case? Burr? Nathan?
30 December 2002, 01:16 AM
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I have been stopped by Essex Police 4 times in 12 years all deserved e.g. heavy right foot at 1am when on way home from work (before the days of Revenue earning) and more recently powerfull car very late at night with a check of my name and address and car details, never had any thing but polite and efficient responses allowed to proceed ever time no producers or any further come backs BUT at no time were they Trafic cops.
Stopped in the last 12 months twice by trafic police for census and both of which were on motorway slip roads and when i questioned the safety of this i got a very poor response. the Essex trafic cop threatened to make me wait whilst he searched my work van "pulling my van apart and wasting a least an hour of my day" obviously this impressed me no end.
Recently my mother had her parked car hit by a passing bus she witnessed this but didn't get its registration but got the company she reported this to the police they came and looked at the car and said only body work damage so showed no interest to pursue the bus company for the driver etc for failing to stop and the bus company can't trace the driver? Fun i am cetain if it had been caught in a speed camera doing 35 in a 30 the police would drag the bus company through all the courts in the land to get their money out of the bus driver.
I also know people who have suffered burglary and the police just want to give out crime numbers not bother with trying to catch the person responsable. thats if you can find a police station which will answer the phone and they wonder why people call 999.
Stopped in the last 12 months twice by trafic police for census and both of which were on motorway slip roads and when i questioned the safety of this i got a very poor response. the Essex trafic cop threatened to make me wait whilst he searched my work van "pulling my van apart and wasting a least an hour of my day" obviously this impressed me no end.
Recently my mother had her parked car hit by a passing bus she witnessed this but didn't get its registration but got the company she reported this to the police they came and looked at the car and said only body work damage so showed no interest to pursue the bus company for the driver etc for failing to stop and the bus company can't trace the driver? Fun i am cetain if it had been caught in a speed camera doing 35 in a 30 the police would drag the bus company through all the courts in the land to get their money out of the bus driver.
I also know people who have suffered burglary and the police just want to give out crime numbers not bother with trying to catch the person responsable. thats if you can find a police station which will answer the phone and they wonder why people call 999.
30 December 2002, 01:19 AM
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Dont ever trust a word a police oficer says to you at a crash scene. Cover your **** and get all the evidence you can together yourself, even if they say they will not be pressing any charges.
They lie.
You drive an Impreza, trust me, that harms you in their eyes.
They also monitor 22B.COM, SIDC and this website and will use any information from these sites they can to prosecute you.
There is a genuine prejudice against Impreza drivers from the trafic police, i know this from first hand experience.
I have no time for trafic police now, arogant, prejudiced, lying gits about sums them up.
They lie.
You drive an Impreza, trust me, that harms you in their eyes.
They also monitor 22B.COM, SIDC and this website and will use any information from these sites they can to prosecute you.
There is a genuine prejudice against Impreza drivers from the trafic police, i know this from first hand experience.
I have no time for trafic police now, arogant, prejudiced, lying gits about sums them up.
30 December 2002, 01:21 AM
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Mmmmm... are you guys being pulled really so squeaky clean in your driving habits? I've got my flame suit on now, but IMHO if you don't notice the copper as soon as he appears in your mirror and then behave yourself you're asking to be pulled over.
In 12 years of driving round West Yorks I've only been pulled over when I've deserved it, and in all cases (and in the accidents I've been involved in) they've been very professional. My driving is by no means sedate, but there's a time and a place.
Steve.
In 12 years of driving round West Yorks I've only been pulled over when I've deserved it, and in all cases (and in the accidents I've been involved in) they've been very professional. My driving is by no means sedate, but there's a time and a place.
Steve.
30 December 2002, 01:22 AM
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ive been stopped a few times in the scoob, and many others times in the past too for a variety of reasons, and not once was i nicked
when plenty of times i could have been......and if you want to know the secret please read on........
regardless of why you have been stopped, and what the officers reason is for stopping you the fact is plod is the law and you are not. they are doing a job that at the best of times is harder than most....so for this reason they like to meake thier day as easy and pleasent as possible. So when they have 'pulled' a punter over they dont know what kind of person you are so perform an attitude test.....if you pass you go free...if you fail you get nicked.
this kinda is a way of them educating the public to being nice to them when they stop you...its good pr for them.
firstly dont deny what you have been stopped for, admit your guilt cos plods not stoopid, plod knows why they stopped you, your not going to bluff plod......be polite and appologetic be the grey man and show sincerity even if you don't mean it, cos plod will already know that but don't care. they write down why you been naughty and when, give you a ticking off and the 'don't do it again
routine cos if i catch you again i wont be so leanient' aknowledge and thank plod for his leniencey, cos if they do happen to pull you for the same thing next week it may just buy you a second chance!
lets face it.......if you drive a scoob your gonna at some point at least break the speed limit.
when plenty of times i could have been......and if you want to know the secret please read on........
regardless of why you have been stopped, and what the officers reason is for stopping you the fact is plod is the law and you are not. they are doing a job that at the best of times is harder than most....so for this reason they like to meake thier day as easy and pleasent as possible. So when they have 'pulled' a punter over they dont know what kind of person you are so perform an attitude test.....if you pass you go free...if you fail you get nicked.
this kinda is a way of them educating the public to being nice to them when they stop you...its good pr for them.
firstly dont deny what you have been stopped for, admit your guilt cos plods not stoopid, plod knows why they stopped you, your not going to bluff plod......be polite and appologetic be the grey man and show sincerity even if you don't mean it, cos plod will already know that but don't care. they write down why you been naughty and when, give you a ticking off and the 'don't do it again
routine cos if i catch you again i wont be so leanient' aknowledge and thank plod for his leniencey, cos if they do happen to pull you for the same thing next week it may just buy you a second chance!
lets face it.......if you drive a scoob your gonna at some point at least break the speed limit.
30 December 2002, 01:45 AM
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Its got to the point where i honestly CANNOT drive in my hometown without getting pulled over and checked for 20+minutes.
If im in my bloody mondeo rep mobile i can drive like an idiot n never get pulled, but in my car ive been blue lighted 3times in a month WHILE FILLING UP WITH FUEL!! Never mind every other journey, no matter how short, where they get me somehow.
BUT, ive only, in 5 years of driving, been pulled over ONCE outside my home town, and i WAS doing somthing wrong (70odd in a 50mph roadworks limit on the M5 at brum in the middle of the night).
In all honesty idve liked to have joined the police, but once you see what most of em are like, NO FOOKIN WAY...
And were jus talking speeders on here, i wont metion the 7 of em that jumped on my mate, deliberatley smacking his head into a pole, shoed him in, fracturing his wrist etc...
All he did was call one of em a ***** because the policeman searched him and DELIBERATLEY dropped his mobile on the floor (with an accompnying sarcastic "whoops" as he did it).
APPALING, makes me sick, really does, no joke, makes me wana leave the country...
If im in my bloody mondeo rep mobile i can drive like an idiot n never get pulled, but in my car ive been blue lighted 3times in a month WHILE FILLING UP WITH FUEL!! Never mind every other journey, no matter how short, where they get me somehow.
BUT, ive only, in 5 years of driving, been pulled over ONCE outside my home town, and i WAS doing somthing wrong (70odd in a 50mph roadworks limit on the M5 at brum in the middle of the night).
In all honesty idve liked to have joined the police, but once you see what most of em are like, NO FOOKIN WAY...
And were jus talking speeders on here, i wont metion the 7 of em that jumped on my mate, deliberatley smacking his head into a pole, shoed him in, fracturing his wrist etc...
All he did was call one of em a ***** because the policeman searched him and DELIBERATLEY dropped his mobile on the floor (with an accompnying sarcastic "whoops" as he did it).
APPALING, makes me sick, really does, no joke, makes me wana leave the country...
30 December 2002, 02:20 AM
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I've been stopped dozens of times, some traffic guys were ok, some were not.
I've been stopped and done for speeding 3 times... fair play... i was breaking the law (though the 37mph one on a clear open road did pi55 me off a bit).
A lot of the stops were when i was driving 'suspect' old mini's, SD1's and Silvia turbos etc. Again i can't complain cuz if i'd only spent 500 quid on the car they had to wonder if i spent twice that again to insure it.
The stops that i've been most pi55ed about are when i'm driving more expensive cars and they've had no real reason to stop me. In these cases i've found the officers to be very arrogant and downright rude.
One even accused me of having wrongly sized letters on my number plate. The plate was totally standard and when i asked him what was the problem, his reply was "It doesn't look right".
More recently i was stopped and after getting handed a hort/1 the officers wouldn't even give me directions to where i was trying to go.
I've also been pulled over and had my car searched because a friend took a photograph from the car (whilst sitting in the back). According to the officer, it's illegal??
The worst was when i got stopped in my 200sx the day i bought it. I didn't have any paperwork or ID on me and i couldn't even tell the officer the reg no. The DVLA wouldn't have a record of me owning the car yet but i just gave my name and they sent me on my way with no more questions. The car could easily have been stolen and they didn't even bother to check.
Like has been said before. Some traffic guys are ok.... some don't deserve to wear the uniform.
I've been stopped and done for speeding 3 times... fair play... i was breaking the law (though the 37mph one on a clear open road did pi55 me off a bit).
A lot of the stops were when i was driving 'suspect' old mini's, SD1's and Silvia turbos etc. Again i can't complain cuz if i'd only spent 500 quid on the car they had to wonder if i spent twice that again to insure it.
The stops that i've been most pi55ed about are when i'm driving more expensive cars and they've had no real reason to stop me. In these cases i've found the officers to be very arrogant and downright rude.
One even accused me of having wrongly sized letters on my number plate. The plate was totally standard and when i asked him what was the problem, his reply was "It doesn't look right".
More recently i was stopped and after getting handed a hort/1 the officers wouldn't even give me directions to where i was trying to go.
I've also been pulled over and had my car searched because a friend took a photograph from the car (whilst sitting in the back). According to the officer, it's illegal??
The worst was when i got stopped in my 200sx the day i bought it. I didn't have any paperwork or ID on me and i couldn't even tell the officer the reg no. The DVLA wouldn't have a record of me owning the car yet but i just gave my name and they sent me on my way with no more questions. The car could easily have been stolen and they didn't even bother to check.
Like has been said before. Some traffic guys are ok.... some don't deserve to wear the uniform.
30 December 2002, 02:47 AM
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would you look at that
stoped again tonight
it took 3 of them in one car a dog van and a transit to issue me with a producer that i could fill in myself ive had so meny of them
i asked am i such a criminal it takes all of you to issue my producer
i got the reply its nowt to do with you
i said it as alot to do with me seen as i pay your wages and am witnessing a waste of police resorces
he came back with seen as you pay our wages can i have more money
i told him if it didnt take 3 of you and all them transport costs to issue a producer then you would have more money
when i started asking for badge numbers to have a chat with the duty sarge. one of them jumped in his van and went i asked the other one for his (the one who shot off)badge number he said why dont you ask him.
its things like this that cause so much hate for the coppers
ive now decided that next time they start to follow me its either going to be foot down and bye bye copper wich is a criminal act but due to their lack crime solving i will be ok
or wait till he gets right up my **** as they allways do and let my ap 6 pots have the full force of my size 10 and watch the coppers face as he tries to avoid me
hopefully he will hit me and cause me to bee of work for months and a nice big claim (every one else does it)
so why not get some of my police wasted money back
it took them 20 mins to give me my producer so thats 20 mins times 3 coppers
wich is 1 hour of one mans time for me to produce a document that has been to the cop shop so meny times this year
how many murders etc occured in manchester area at this time
how meny muggins
its like councill job in our local area with them
stoped again tonight
it took 3 of them in one car a dog van and a transit to issue me with a producer that i could fill in myself ive had so meny of them
i asked am i such a criminal it takes all of you to issue my producer
i got the reply its nowt to do with you
i said it as alot to do with me seen as i pay your wages and am witnessing a waste of police resorces
he came back with seen as you pay our wages can i have more money
i told him if it didnt take 3 of you and all them transport costs to issue a producer then you would have more money
when i started asking for badge numbers to have a chat with the duty sarge. one of them jumped in his van and went i asked the other one for his (the one who shot off)badge number he said why dont you ask him.
its things like this that cause so much hate for the coppers
ive now decided that next time they start to follow me its either going to be foot down and bye bye copper wich is a criminal act but due to their lack crime solving i will be ok
or wait till he gets right up my **** as they allways do and let my ap 6 pots have the full force of my size 10 and watch the coppers face as he tries to avoid me
hopefully he will hit me and cause me to bee of work for months and a nice big claim (every one else does it)
so why not get some of my police wasted money back
it took them 20 mins to give me my producer so thats 20 mins times 3 coppers
wich is 1 hour of one mans time for me to produce a document that has been to the cop shop so meny times this year
how many murders etc occured in manchester area at this time
how meny muggins
its like councill job in our local area with them
30 December 2002, 07:33 AM
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Read your post. You're saying that the police tar you all with the same brush....... just what you're doing mate.
Paul, and with an attitude like that, I'm not surprised you've had the experience you write about.
Let's take it to the extreme.... let's say you're a newsagent (or in any other public environment where you can draw a similar example from) and you have 2 customers. 1 stomps in, demands his paper every day, throws his money at you and walks out. The other comes in, is polite, is chatty and sometimes tips you at Christmas.
Which one will get the better service from you?
[Edited by BuRR - 12/30/2002 7:39:32 AM]
Paul, and with an attitude like that, I'm not surprised you've had the experience you write about.
Let's take it to the extreme.... let's say you're a newsagent (or in any other public environment where you can draw a similar example from) and you have 2 customers. 1 stomps in, demands his paper every day, throws his money at you and walks out. The other comes in, is polite, is chatty and sometimes tips you at Christmas.
Which one will get the better service from you?
[Edited by BuRR - 12/30/2002 7:39:32 AM]
30 December 2002, 08:00 AM
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Interesting posts on this one. Im Tanker driver and like most of you get stopped regulaly for checks, Ie tachos ,etc. Ive found most of the old guys are sound in Traffic cars etc. Now the young ones are right so and so,s but there again depends which force stops you. West mid guys are pretty ok, Berkshire ,well im saying nothing but some guys do like to pretend there god with a capital C for chip on there shoulder.
30 December 2002, 09:54 AM
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In my first scooby I was stopped weekly.. didnt really help that my front plate was the size of a letter box.
When I had the Lotus I ran it for 3 months with no front plate at all...never was stopped once.. seems the type of vehicle you drive does influence the Police. As does attitude..
In September 2001 I was stopped on the M40 on the way to Matt Oz's house from Abingdon by a 5 car rolling road block, the Police Helicopter was above me and i was met by nearly a dozen of Thames Valleys finest, includes the Armed response vehicle. Apparently I'd been tailed from Abingdon by an unmarked CID car who happened to see me doing donuts on my companies private carpark. When my speed allegedly went above 140mph they summoned assistance, which is funny because I dont recall even hitting more than 95mph and i complied with the 50mph limits in the roadworks at J8
Anyway I was arrested for being in possession of a bladed article..a stanley knife which I had because I worked for a major DIY firm and needed to open boxes etc etc. I was handcuffed because i was transferred to banbury police station in the ARV.
To cut a long story short I was polite and courteous and chatted to the arresting officer about track days and the Ring etc and after an hour in the cells I was released without charge. I even had an apology from the duty Sargeant for having my evening ruined. Apparently the whole operation cost over £10K and even after my release the Abingdon CID officers were pestering the traffic guys to "do" me for my plate and excessive speed despite them having an uncalibrated car. The traffic chap told them to disappear and to stop wasting even more time...
I've learnt my lesson and got rid of the small plate and in the new scoob I've not been stopped.......yet
When I had the Lotus I ran it for 3 months with no front plate at all...never was stopped once.. seems the type of vehicle you drive does influence the Police. As does attitude..
In September 2001 I was stopped on the M40 on the way to Matt Oz's house from Abingdon by a 5 car rolling road block, the Police Helicopter was above me and i was met by nearly a dozen of Thames Valleys finest, includes the Armed response vehicle. Apparently I'd been tailed from Abingdon by an unmarked CID car who happened to see me doing donuts on my companies private carpark. When my speed allegedly went above 140mph they summoned assistance, which is funny because I dont recall even hitting more than 95mph and i complied with the 50mph limits in the roadworks at J8
Anyway I was arrested for being in possession of a bladed article..a stanley knife which I had because I worked for a major DIY firm and needed to open boxes etc etc. I was handcuffed because i was transferred to banbury police station in the ARV.
To cut a long story short I was polite and courteous and chatted to the arresting officer about track days and the Ring etc and after an hour in the cells I was released without charge. I even had an apology from the duty Sargeant for having my evening ruined. Apparently the whole operation cost over £10K and even after my release the Abingdon CID officers were pestering the traffic guys to "do" me for my plate and excessive speed despite them having an uncalibrated car. The traffic chap told them to disappear and to stop wasting even more time...
I've learnt my lesson and got rid of the small plate and in the new scoob I've not been stopped.......yet
30 December 2002, 10:03 AM
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Nice joke.....
Ady 555
One stretch of quiet road on a sunday morning.... and you automatically asume I do this everywhere...
Millband - they tend to be a nightmare in Ravensthorpe/Dewsbury/Wakefield....
Polarbearit - Bedminster especially and also St Pauls, perhaps they think I'm a drug dealer? or a gangster.. although I did witness a large attack between Somalians and Jamaicans in St Pauls a year ago.. I've never reversed a car so fast to aviod flying bricks... and where were the police??... probably stopping someone on a nearby street for having a dodgy looking no plate..
JFelstead - I agree entirely...
I wasnt expecting so many responses...
I tend to remember snippets of info that people tell me. If you end up being chased I wonder what they could do if you just drive into your own garage (with an automatic opener).. dont they need a warrant to do anything? suppose they'd get you but it would be a bit of fun in the process.... ok, ok silly I know...
If they are after you and there is more than one in the car pull off on a side street pile out of the car and wait for them to show up.. the onus is on them to prove who was driving..
I love roundabouts... I had one traffic car follow me round a roundabout 5 times before putting the lights on.. Said I was taking the pi%s.. cos I drove round the roundabout so many times.. so what exactly was the traffic officer doing then....
What would the penalty be for driving without number plates.. but say having them in the boot ready if you needed them (i.e they'd fallen off).. just thinking about the number of mobile speed units these days. As a side note are these units allowed to park illegally - i.e. on double yellow lines, in bus stops, outside someones private driveway.. watch this carefully all the ones I've seen have been parked illegally.... although I'm told these are subcontractors...
I had to get rid of my Red Ford RS Turbo many years ago for being stopped every other day, apart from it being a highly visible colour on the roads, it is a known fact that the traffic officers like a game of snooker so if you have red your more likely to be stopped.. Partly for this reason I got a White Cosworth and a Grey Subaru.. i.e. useless on a snooker table......
If your not a traffic copper and just someone driving around on normal duty do you have the power to issue a speeding ticket.. I dont believe so.. first there would need to be two officers and you'd need some sophisticaed equipment.. i.e not your own speedo
I dont condone stupid behaviour like speeding for the sake of it but when your driving like every other motorist on the road, safely then it aggrevates me to be picked upon....
A month ago I was sopped. The Traffic police said they were not happy with the noise of my exhaust.. I'd just got back in the country as well... they said it was illegal... I mean whats thedefinition of illegal? I then asked them what the legal decibel limit was and how they would test it and where it was in their book. I also said I thought it was only magistrates that could issue a noise abatement order... the police officer just said I was taking the micky... how was I.... If the police are gonna come up with stupid reasons to stop you..... the exhaust is loud ut nowhere near as loud as BPM system I had on up to a year ago..
Ady 555
One stretch of quiet road on a sunday morning.... and you automatically asume I do this everywhere...
Millband - they tend to be a nightmare in Ravensthorpe/Dewsbury/Wakefield....
Polarbearit - Bedminster especially and also St Pauls, perhaps they think I'm a drug dealer? or a gangster.. although I did witness a large attack between Somalians and Jamaicans in St Pauls a year ago.. I've never reversed a car so fast to aviod flying bricks... and where were the police??... probably stopping someone on a nearby street for having a dodgy looking no plate..
JFelstead - I agree entirely...
I wasnt expecting so many responses...
I tend to remember snippets of info that people tell me. If you end up being chased I wonder what they could do if you just drive into your own garage (with an automatic opener).. dont they need a warrant to do anything? suppose they'd get you but it would be a bit of fun in the process.... ok, ok silly I know...
If they are after you and there is more than one in the car pull off on a side street pile out of the car and wait for them to show up.. the onus is on them to prove who was driving..
I love roundabouts... I had one traffic car follow me round a roundabout 5 times before putting the lights on.. Said I was taking the pi%s.. cos I drove round the roundabout so many times.. so what exactly was the traffic officer doing then....
What would the penalty be for driving without number plates.. but say having them in the boot ready if you needed them (i.e they'd fallen off).. just thinking about the number of mobile speed units these days. As a side note are these units allowed to park illegally - i.e. on double yellow lines, in bus stops, outside someones private driveway.. watch this carefully all the ones I've seen have been parked illegally.... although I'm told these are subcontractors...
I had to get rid of my Red Ford RS Turbo many years ago for being stopped every other day, apart from it being a highly visible colour on the roads, it is a known fact that the traffic officers like a game of snooker so if you have red your more likely to be stopped.. Partly for this reason I got a White Cosworth and a Grey Subaru.. i.e. useless on a snooker table......
If your not a traffic copper and just someone driving around on normal duty do you have the power to issue a speeding ticket.. I dont believe so.. first there would need to be two officers and you'd need some sophisticaed equipment.. i.e not your own speedo
I dont condone stupid behaviour like speeding for the sake of it but when your driving like every other motorist on the road, safely then it aggrevates me to be picked upon....
A month ago I was sopped. The Traffic police said they were not happy with the noise of my exhaust.. I'd just got back in the country as well... they said it was illegal... I mean whats thedefinition of illegal? I then asked them what the legal decibel limit was and how they would test it and where it was in their book. I also said I thought it was only magistrates that could issue a noise abatement order... the police officer just said I was taking the micky... how was I.... If the police are gonna come up with stupid reasons to stop you..... the exhaust is loud ut nowhere near as loud as BPM system I had on up to a year ago..
30 December 2002, 10:29 AM
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I got pulled on the M1 a few years back. Things were looking OK until I got frustrated and said 'do you just do traffic or do you do any real police work..'
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30 December 2002, 10:54 AM
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Steve (millband) - watch the traffic cops, now you live near me. 
Nightmare on the M65, lots of gauding in plain cars then they pull you.
It does depend on the car though - when I had my 205 with big exhaust, I was stopped 16 times in 6 months - got bored of producers.
Not been stopped once in MR2 last 18 months.
Steve (Mculloch) - I was at last years rolling road - lets just say we could hear your exhaust and dump valve at full tilt for about 10 minutes after you left. Then you came blasting back past us again
Nightmare on the M65, lots of gauding in plain cars then they pull you.It does depend on the car though - when I had my 205 with big exhaust, I was stopped 16 times in 6 months - got bored of producers.
Not been stopped once in MR2 last 18 months.
Steve (Mculloch) - I was at last years rolling road - lets just say we could hear your exhaust and dump valve at full tilt for about 10 minutes after you left. Then you came blasting back past us again
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Eh.. cant have been the dump valve as this is silent..it vents internally and makes no sound!.... didnt think my airfilter was that loud!
I was'nt going that fast around Batley.. just up that particuar road that is fairly short.. although I was told that my car a distance away could be heard over the car on the Rollers..
[Edited by steve McCulloch - 12/30/2002 11:03:07 AM]
I was'nt going that fast around Batley.. just up that particuar road that is fairly short.. although I was told that my car a distance away could be heard over the car on the Rollers..
[Edited by steve McCulloch - 12/30/2002 11:03:07 AM]
30 December 2002, 11:01 AM
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I did do a few fast drive bys on a Northern meet about 1/2 years ago.. then the car really was loud.. near Nont Sarah.. that was fun.. and I did slow right down past the pub with all the people walking around
30 December 2002, 11:39 AM
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I won't go into the details.
I have met some good ones.
But the traffic laws and the manner in which they are upheld in this country stink.
I have personaly prevented 3 accidents on the road this year, due to being observant. But I could loose my license for driving safely by just amassing 3 points here 3 points there for simply driving a scoob.
Mobile taxation units the lot of them. Speed is only one factor in the cause of accidents. However it is the easiest one to quantify.
F*ck them.
Steve
I have met some good ones.
But the traffic laws and the manner in which they are upheld in this country stink.
I have personaly prevented 3 accidents on the road this year, due to being observant. But I could loose my license for driving safely by just amassing 3 points here 3 points there for simply driving a scoob.
Mobile taxation units the lot of them. Speed is only one factor in the cause of accidents. However it is the easiest one to quantify.
F*ck them.
Steve
30 December 2002, 12:01 PM
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Shropshire: You're right: the 'values' which are inculcated into Police Officers do vary across the Country. It's very different being a Copper in Manchester than in Devon!!
Traffic Officers are traffic officers 'cos that's what they want to be - try to post one off 'the Traffic' and see what happens. They're professional drivers, and they appreciate good motors and people who drive them well. They also scrape people off the Tarmac. Generally - and there are always exceptions - they respond properly to a proper attitude. Radar van men and others of their ilk are often doing that job 'cos they can't hack more demanding Police Work.... I needn't labour the point.
Incivility is a (relatively minor, of course) formal disciplinary offence, normally initially to be raised through the Duty Inspector (where Forces still have officers identifiably such). All Forces have a Complaints Department, usually located at FHQ, with which matters can be raised in writing. If that is done, it cannot be ignored. If you've committed an offence, however, (even if they've had to dredge it up) you're on weaker ground: and if you were arsey first, then forget it. Remember, arseyness is often the first line of defence of someone who has something to hide..... However, incivility (but not assertiveness!) is a disciplinary offence even beltween Officer and Felon!
Treat the Officers as you would wish to be treated. Make a mental note of force numbers if you're being abused. Don't raise the issue of abuse or incivility until the business, whatever it is, is done. Then merely record with the officer that you're not content with the way he's treated you and require him to make a pocket-book entry to that effect. Go on your way. Take a deep breath. Count to ten. Then raise the matter separately if you still want to.
All this is IMHO, of course.
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Traffic Officers are traffic officers 'cos that's what they want to be - try to post one off 'the Traffic' and see what happens. They're professional drivers, and they appreciate good motors and people who drive them well. They also scrape people off the Tarmac. Generally - and there are always exceptions - they respond properly to a proper attitude. Radar van men and others of their ilk are often doing that job 'cos they can't hack more demanding Police Work.... I needn't labour the point.
Incivility is a (relatively minor, of course) formal disciplinary offence, normally initially to be raised through the Duty Inspector (where Forces still have officers identifiably such). All Forces have a Complaints Department, usually located at FHQ, with which matters can be raised in writing. If that is done, it cannot be ignored. If you've committed an offence, however, (even if they've had to dredge it up) you're on weaker ground: and if you were arsey first, then forget it. Remember, arseyness is often the first line of defence of someone who has something to hide..... However, incivility (but not assertiveness!) is a disciplinary offence even beltween Officer and Felon!
Treat the Officers as you would wish to be treated. Make a mental note of force numbers if you're being abused. Don't raise the issue of abuse or incivility until the business, whatever it is, is done. Then merely record with the officer that you're not content with the way he's treated you and require him to make a pocket-book entry to that effect. Go on your way. Take a deep breath. Count to ten. Then raise the matter separately if you still want to.
All this is IMHO, of course.
[No, never a police officer. Pulled twice in thirty years. Once fair cop for speeding, once a breath test (negative
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30 December 2002, 12:23 PM
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I was first stopped when I was still at school, I had a couple of other people in the car, and I'd been a little enthusiastic over a couple of roundabouts, and a little too quick else where. I was pulled over, and after a licence check, a couple of questions and a warning, I was sent on my way. Second time a few years later, and I'm stopped for going a little too quickly in a 205 GTi... again, pulled over, a stern talking to, a warning, and I'm let on my way. A year or so after that, whilst avoiding potholes in the road on my way home (again in the GTi), I'm stopped with the usual questions, given a 'producer', and again, I'm on my way.
In 7 or so years of driving, those 4 times equal the sum total of times I've been stopped by police. For nearly 4 of those years I was driving my modified GTi, I've yet to be stopped in the Subaru for anything.
With stories of driving round roundabouts several times and being surprised at being stopped, I'm amazed some people here don't get stopped more often, and they certainly shouldn't be moaning about how often it happens as it is. After "Put the blue lights on, if the car pulls over then its not knicked, pretty obvious..." comment, that's one of the stupidest things that's been written here yet. I think driving round and round with a police car in tow qualifies as suspicious behaviour in anyone’s book. What makes it worse in my eyes, is that you take pleasure in this apparent waste of police time.
To brand all traffic police as arrogant and prejudiced, displays in people like Mr.Felstead the very epitome of arrogance and prejudice towards the police force themselves.
If I were as narrow minded, I would think it would be fair to assume that all moderators were just as idiotic, and that everyone on here who has complained about being stopped, lacked even basic intelligence, because they all drive round in circles to bait police and issue the most daft suggestions for improving on current police procedures. It's all the same.
In 7 or so years of driving, those 4 times equal the sum total of times I've been stopped by police. For nearly 4 of those years I was driving my modified GTi, I've yet to be stopped in the Subaru for anything.
With stories of driving round roundabouts several times and being surprised at being stopped, I'm amazed some people here don't get stopped more often, and they certainly shouldn't be moaning about how often it happens as it is. After "Put the blue lights on, if the car pulls over then its not knicked, pretty obvious..." comment, that's one of the stupidest things that's been written here yet. I think driving round and round with a police car in tow qualifies as suspicious behaviour in anyone’s book. What makes it worse in my eyes, is that you take pleasure in this apparent waste of police time.
To brand all traffic police as arrogant and prejudiced, displays in people like Mr.Felstead the very epitome of arrogance and prejudice towards the police force themselves.
If I were as narrow minded, I would think it would be fair to assume that all moderators were just as idiotic, and that everyone on here who has complained about being stopped, lacked even basic intelligence, because they all drive round in circles to bait police and issue the most daft suggestions for improving on current police procedures. It's all the same.
30 December 2002, 01:33 PM
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maybe i was wrong to brand all trafic police like that, i should have said the ones i have met personally whilst on duty have been arogant, prejudiced and two faced liers.
I used to have a lot of respect for these guys, i attended a police driver training course before i ever set a wheel on the road and i won the county road safety quiz they ran for schools when i was a kid. You wouldnt have found a more police positive and road safety positive person than me a few years ago.
Since i have been driving high performance cars on the road, and definately more so an Impreza, i have found them nothing but untrustworthy. And no, i am not some speeding lunatic, i haven't had any points on my licence since 1991, when i was done for speeding in a 70, which was fair enough.
I used to have a lot of respect for these guys, i attended a police driver training course before i ever set a wheel on the road and i won the county road safety quiz they ran for schools when i was a kid. You wouldnt have found a more police positive and road safety positive person than me a few years ago.
Since i have been driving high performance cars on the road, and definately more so an Impreza, i have found them nothing but untrustworthy. And no, i am not some speeding lunatic, i haven't had any points on my licence since 1991, when i was done for speeding in a 70, which was fair enough.
30 December 2002, 01:37 PM
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No I was'nt surprised at being stopped going round a roundabout.. if it had come to it I'd have done it for an hour until they had not put the lights on!
Still gets back to the point about having to have a reason to stop you..I was only going round and round because I knew I was being followed... and had done nothing wrong at all..other than driving an Escort Cosworth at the time..
On other comments about being arsey.. I've found that it 'generally' makes no difference how you act they seem to have a set procedure of being total ars*holes.....
No I was'nt surprised at being stopped going round a roundabout.. if it had come to it I'd have done it for an hour until they had not put the lights on!
Still gets back to the point about having to have a reason to stop you..I was only going round and round because I knew I was being followed... and had done nothing wrong at all..other than driving an Escort Cosworth at the time..
On other comments about being arsey.. I've found that it 'generally' makes no difference how you act they seem to have a set procedure of being total ars*holes.....
