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31 December 2002, 03:05 PM
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Some mixed experiences with plod and cars, but overall a favourable impression. It's not an easy job and I certainly wouldn't want to do it.
Two out of the three times that I have been stopped by plod in 19 years were purely because I was driving like a complete ****. Mea culpa no question about that. There were polite and so was I. No fines, just a gentle warning that they won't be so leniant next time etc .etc. Really apreciated it.
Time number three was quite a while back and apparantly 'for being in possession of a black passenger' or at least you would think so given the attitude of the w@nkers who stopped us and then mishandled my mate for almost no reason whatsoever. . .
Plod to mate : You've got a chip on your shoulder
Mate to plod : No I haven't. If I did, I'd eat it!!
Classic slapstick - give plod some stick and get a slap for your trouble!!
Suresh
Two out of the three times that I have been stopped by plod in 19 years were purely because I was driving like a complete ****. Mea culpa no question about that. There were polite and so was I. No fines, just a gentle warning that they won't be so leniant next time etc .etc. Really apreciated it.
Time number three was quite a while back and apparantly 'for being in possession of a black passenger' or at least you would think so given the attitude of the w@nkers who stopped us and then mishandled my mate for almost no reason whatsoever. . .
Plod to mate : You've got a chip on your shoulder
Mate to plod : No I haven't. If I did, I'd eat it!!
Classic slapstick - give plod some stick and get a slap for your trouble!!
Suresh
31 December 2002, 03:10 PM
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Burr's hit one of the many nails on the head.
Its about paying lip service to people in authority IMHO. My current experience, which finishes in court on Jan 9th would suggest the more you grovel and say sorry, the lighter the penalty, points or ban maybe.
This has been confirmed by two sources. The first is a Magistrate in the Nottingham courts who showed me the sentancing guide documents they get. So for example, plead guilty early, they CAN reduce the fine by a third. Use the rights words, "momentary lapse, regret, sorry", and again there is more scope for the magistrate to scale the fine lower.
The second source was the solicitor I contacted. They said the scale of the penalty in my circumstance is a max of 56-days disqualification. However, plead guilty, plead guilty early, say you need you car for work and its likely to be 2-weeks.
But if you disagree with any witness statements or the facts are not quite what you recall then you'll be labelled awkward and arguementative and you'll get a bigger penalty.
Now there's a justice system to be proud of.
yours
on a push-bike for the next few weeks
Andy.
Its about paying lip service to people in authority IMHO. My current experience, which finishes in court on Jan 9th would suggest the more you grovel and say sorry, the lighter the penalty, points or ban maybe.
This has been confirmed by two sources. The first is a Magistrate in the Nottingham courts who showed me the sentancing guide documents they get. So for example, plead guilty early, they CAN reduce the fine by a third. Use the rights words, "momentary lapse, regret, sorry", and again there is more scope for the magistrate to scale the fine lower.
The second source was the solicitor I contacted. They said the scale of the penalty in my circumstance is a max of 56-days disqualification. However, plead guilty, plead guilty early, say you need you car for work and its likely to be 2-weeks.
But if you disagree with any witness statements or the facts are not quite what you recall then you'll be labelled awkward and arguementative and you'll get a bigger penalty.
Now there's a justice system to be proud of.
yours
on a push-bike for the next few weeks
Andy.
31 December 2002, 03:27 PM
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Speed limits - yes lots of revenue raising traps... and I dont condone going over the speed limit in residential areas... motorways are a different matter.. if its nice and quiet... The Yamaha R1's top speed is not that high I noticed some time ago..
The new mobile units are a joke.. yeah only up in accident areas.. my ars* they are...
Theres always protection from laser guns though... not that I have the Snooper SLD 920 (Blinder) available from many stockists I hear.. to help you against these pesky little things....!
A mate was thinking of joining the police.. if he had he would not have been a mate any more.. he saw sense and decided that he'd be hated for the rest of his life!
Nasty ba*tards the lot of them.......
Rant over.. some may be nice but thats not the point.... I've been watching that world at war programm and looking at the ****'s reminds me of these sadists!
[Edited by steve McCulloch - 12/31/2002 3:29:38 PM]
Speed limits - yes lots of revenue raising traps... and I dont condone going over the speed limit in residential areas... motorways are a different matter.. if its nice and quiet... The Yamaha R1's top speed is not that high I noticed some time ago..
The new mobile units are a joke.. yeah only up in accident areas.. my ars* they are...
Theres always protection from laser guns though... not that I have the Snooper SLD 920 (Blinder) available from many stockists I hear.. to help you against these pesky little things....!
A mate was thinking of joining the police.. if he had he would not have been a mate any more.. he saw sense and decided that he'd be hated for the rest of his life!
Nasty ba*tards the lot of them.......
Rant over.. some may be nice but thats not the point.... I've been watching that world at war programm and looking at the ****'s reminds me of these sadists!
[Edited by steve McCulloch - 12/31/2002 3:29:38 PM]
31 December 2002, 03:35 PM
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Steve,
Most are reasonable, but there are enough cretins to obscure the good ones - everybody remembers the bad ocassions.
Plus they are just implementing government policy
That nice Mr Prescott....
Colin.
Most are reasonable, but there are enough cretins to obscure the good ones - everybody remembers the bad ocassions.
Plus they are just implementing government policy
That nice Mr Prescott....Colin.
31 December 2002, 04:13 PM
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as for the number plate size thats a load of boll*cks you dont see a front plate on a bike so what if you'r front plate on your car is a tad small that what i got pulled for there's loads of people driving with no tax insurance or licence what do they do pull people up who work there sack off to keep a nice car on the road legal.
31 December 2002, 04:40 PM
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Steve M...that's a little harsh, man.
I think it is the job. I seriously considered signing up a while back, and decided against it on the grounds that I know the uniform would give me a supercilious attitude. Some of these guys join up from a young age, and lack the 'life experience' to know any better. All they have seen from the moment they signed up is stupidity, injury and complaint after empty complaint. It's strange, but having sat in a police station for an hour or two, it is always the same type of people who complain and whine and annoy....and they are treated with a great deal of patience as they stand there illiterately swearing and talking what inevitiably sounds like rubbish.
The job would turn most of us into W@nkers if we'd been doing it since we left school. For some of them it is almost a "phase" they seem to grow out of.
A lot of coppers seem to genuinely be some very nice guys with a good attitude who have just seen too much **** in one lifetime.
Next time you get a frsh post-grad student in the office, and you sit there open mouthed and amazed at the sheer cocky-ness and utter lack of life experince, think about giving that chap a uniform, the power of arrest and BINGO you've got your problem copper. It's just youth.
It doesn't make it right, but it's just one of those things you have to put up with. It could be worse: you could live in the US or spain.
If you are genuinely getting pulled a lot you have a case for harrassment. Keep a book of times and dates, and report it (NICELY! Get your solicitor to write you a letter) and it will stop.
For those few times you get stopped in your nice shiny subaru: Suck it up. One of the reasons you like your car is for it's image, and that image attracts a little bit of attention. All the reasonable people on here accept it. So should you.
The cops do a sh1tty job, and they do it to the best of their ability for the most part. Every company in the universe has "dead wood" and "problem employees". They also have channels of complaint, just as the police do.
I think it is the job. I seriously considered signing up a while back, and decided against it on the grounds that I know the uniform would give me a supercilious attitude. Some of these guys join up from a young age, and lack the 'life experience' to know any better. All they have seen from the moment they signed up is stupidity, injury and complaint after empty complaint. It's strange, but having sat in a police station for an hour or two, it is always the same type of people who complain and whine and annoy....and they are treated with a great deal of patience as they stand there illiterately swearing and talking what inevitiably sounds like rubbish.
The job would turn most of us into W@nkers if we'd been doing it since we left school. For some of them it is almost a "phase" they seem to grow out of.
A lot of coppers seem to genuinely be some very nice guys with a good attitude who have just seen too much **** in one lifetime.
Next time you get a frsh post-grad student in the office, and you sit there open mouthed and amazed at the sheer cocky-ness and utter lack of life experince, think about giving that chap a uniform, the power of arrest and BINGO you've got your problem copper. It's just youth.
It doesn't make it right, but it's just one of those things you have to put up with. It could be worse: you could live in the US or spain.
If you are genuinely getting pulled a lot you have a case for harrassment. Keep a book of times and dates, and report it (NICELY! Get your solicitor to write you a letter) and it will stop.
For those few times you get stopped in your nice shiny subaru: Suck it up. One of the reasons you like your car is for it's image, and that image attracts a little bit of attention. All the reasonable people on here accept it. So should you.
The cops do a sh1tty job, and they do it to the best of their ability for the most part. Every company in the universe has "dead wood" and "problem employees". They also have channels of complaint, just as the police do.
31 December 2002, 07:54 PM
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" every uniform corrupts one's character"
FRISCH Max (1911-1991)
"character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow.The shadow is what we think of it ;the tree is the real thing"
LINCOLN Abraham (1806-1865)
"every man has three characters:that which he exhibits , that which he has ,and that which he thinks he has"
KARR Alphonse (1808-1890)
"You can tell a lot about a fellow's charachter by the way he eats jelly beans"
REAGAN Ronald (1911 - )
Okay maybe not the last one but you get the drift......
FRISCH Max (1911-1991)
"character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow.The shadow is what we think of it ;the tree is the real thing"
LINCOLN Abraham (1806-1865)
"every man has three characters:that which he exhibits , that which he has ,and that which he thinks he has"
KARR Alphonse (1808-1890)
"You can tell a lot about a fellow's charachter by the way he eats jelly beans"
REAGAN Ronald (1911 - )
Okay maybe not the last one but you get the drift......
31 December 2002, 08:29 PM
#102
Speed is one of many factors that cause accidents. Bad driving causes accidents - one factor of which many be the wrong speed at in the wrong place. Unfortunately speed is quantifiable and therefore good drivers can be taxed and taken off the road by our 'Friends' the traffic plod.
The enforcement of the law and the laws are wrong. Let me explain.
Senario One - Wet road, bit greasy 'Subaru' tailgaiting a car and being aggressive at 70mph. How many times have I seen that. No police about because its cold and police only set up speed traps when it is sunny and it is nice to be outside and in places where they can easily tax people. The dangerous driver/**** gets away with it
Senario Two - Empty motorway. Subaru with very good 4 pot brakes, experienced observant, very defensive driver. Nice dry road cause it is sunny. Say doing 94mph. Sunny day lets have a speed trap say the plod! The safe driver gets done doing this twice say in six months and is off the road.
Which car would you rather be in the one doing 70mph or 94mph. The answer is obvious. But in the way the traffic plod enforce the law in the one doing 94mph is the most dangerous.
It is all such a load of old bollo*ks. Police blindly doing people for speed. Obviously they have to scape people of the road, which must open their eyes.
The way to decrease road deaths is not to have these tax collecting idots driving about. But to do things like the folowing.
1. Compulsory advanced driving course a few months after passing your test. Covering areas such as defensive driving. Shock tactics showing people the consequenses of the carnage that results from bad driving. Skid control and so on and so on.
2. what about a new road sign an accident black one, with cammeras placed in accident black spots not behind trees on downhill slopes.
A juction where I live has an accident very regulary where often someone is hurt. It is very poorly marked. Why hasn't someone put some new stop lines in the road a new sign or two, a black spot one would be good. They haven't meanwhile the traffic plod have pulled another driver doing 90 and 'greatly increased road saftey'
not.
Of course all the above would cost money and reduce deaths....
...lets keep the status quo and raise money and keep those road deaths up.
It is all a load of crap. So keep 'Speeding' Scoobyneters
Best wishes
Steve
PS - I did meet a realy nice traffic guy the other day. Unfortunately the exception rather than the rule. And dealing with bad accidents where some rep pratt has just killed someone must harden them. However they seem to target the wrong people in their quest to make the roads safer.
The enforcement of the law and the laws are wrong. Let me explain.
Senario One - Wet road, bit greasy 'Subaru' tailgaiting a car and being aggressive at 70mph. How many times have I seen that. No police about because its cold and police only set up speed traps when it is sunny and it is nice to be outside and in places where they can easily tax people. The dangerous driver/**** gets away with it
Senario Two - Empty motorway. Subaru with very good 4 pot brakes, experienced observant, very defensive driver. Nice dry road cause it is sunny. Say doing 94mph. Sunny day lets have a speed trap say the plod! The safe driver gets done doing this twice say in six months and is off the road.
Which car would you rather be in the one doing 70mph or 94mph. The answer is obvious. But in the way the traffic plod enforce the law in the one doing 94mph is the most dangerous.
It is all such a load of old bollo*ks. Police blindly doing people for speed. Obviously they have to scape people of the road, which must open their eyes.
The way to decrease road deaths is not to have these tax collecting idots driving about. But to do things like the folowing.
1. Compulsory advanced driving course a few months after passing your test. Covering areas such as defensive driving. Shock tactics showing people the consequenses of the carnage that results from bad driving. Skid control and so on and so on.
2. what about a new road sign an accident black one, with cammeras placed in accident black spots not behind trees on downhill slopes.
A juction where I live has an accident very regulary where often someone is hurt. It is very poorly marked. Why hasn't someone put some new stop lines in the road a new sign or two, a black spot one would be good. They haven't meanwhile the traffic plod have pulled another driver doing 90 and 'greatly increased road saftey'
not.
Of course all the above would cost money and reduce deaths....
...lets keep the status quo and raise money and keep those road deaths up.
It is all a load of crap. So keep 'Speeding' Scoobyneters
Best wishes
Steve
PS - I did meet a realy nice traffic guy the other day. Unfortunately the exception rather than the rule. And dealing with bad accidents where some rep pratt has just killed someone must harden them. However they seem to target the wrong people in their quest to make the roads safer.
01 January 2003, 05:20 AM
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For those people who have posted on this thread.
Tonight around the very beginning of the new year I attended a report of a fight where the offenders were still in the area. After being at the scene for a few minutes I had to arrest someone who I saw headbutting another male in the face. On trying to arrest him I was set upon by three other males and was kicked and punched in the head until I was unconcious. I have sustained injuries consistent with Grevious Bodily Harm.
I'm not whining and complaining as this unfortunately is part of the job that I signed up to do.
However please be aware that this occured because I was a Police officer helping a member of the public. It had nothing to do with me issuing a speeding ticket
. This is the job we do and for it I took a beating. Please do not think we are all the same and that we all deserve to be called *******, W4nkers etc just because we wear a uniform.
Thanks.
Nathan.
Tonight around the very beginning of the new year I attended a report of a fight where the offenders were still in the area. After being at the scene for a few minutes I had to arrest someone who I saw headbutting another male in the face. On trying to arrest him I was set upon by three other males and was kicked and punched in the head until I was unconcious. I have sustained injuries consistent with Grevious Bodily Harm.
I'm not whining and complaining as this unfortunately is part of the job that I signed up to do.
However please be aware that this occured because I was a Police officer helping a member of the public. It had nothing to do with me issuing a speeding ticket
. This is the job we do and for it I took a beating. Please do not think we are all the same and that we all deserve to be called *******, W4nkers etc just because we wear a uniform.Thanks.
Nathan.
01 January 2003, 11:54 AM
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**** Nathan - happened to me in '95. You ok?
Its amazing how people are hell-bent on hurting each other (when they're meant to be having fun) - and upon seeing the uniform, forget their differences and gang up on the bobby.
Its amazing how people are hell-bent on hurting each other (when they're meant to be having fun) - and upon seeing the uniform, forget their differences and gang up on the bobby.
01 January 2003, 02:17 PM
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"Give 'em a uniform and they think they're Hitler.."
2 and a half years driving an Sti, usually not hanging around.
Never stopped. Reckon it must be an age thing! When i drove bangers, i was forever being stopped. Usually kiss **** for 5 mins, get in, smile coz i got away with it again and drive off safe in the knowledge i scored a small but valuable, 60 quid victory agaianst the baddies.
2 and a half years driving an Sti, usually not hanging around.
Never stopped. Reckon it must be an age thing! When i drove bangers, i was forever being stopped. Usually kiss **** for 5 mins, get in, smile coz i got away with it again and drive off safe in the knowledge i scored a small but valuable, 60 quid victory agaianst the baddies.
01 January 2003, 02:34 PM
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dont even go there 22B!
Hope you are OK Nathan m8!
Most people have a lot of respect for what the Majority of Police do. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the respect for the police is dropping as a result of the enforcement tactics now used by the Police when it comes to road offence enforcement though.
Lets face it, we only normally have contact with the police in two scenarios. 1) is when we have just been burgled, and most of the time they do **** all about that. (not through their own fault usually) 2)When we are doing something motoring related.
It's a shame that the experiences with the police we tend to highlight and remember are the ones where we have met a rather arogant and prejudiced trafic oficer. I'll never forget the time i got pulled by a trafic guy on a bike because he crapped his pants when my waste gate chatter woke him up as i changed gear. He was half asleep at the side of the road as i passed by in my cossie. It's funny to look back on now but at the time he was seriously wound up and giving me a right load of abuse for nothing but waking him from his bored coma. He tried to do me for locking my wheels up thinking he heard me slam on the brakes in a panic, when what he actually heard was chatter from a 1.8BAR boost gearchange. That conversation was interesting with me being the calm and friendly person and him being a ranting nutcase.
I am always very polite and upfront with any oficer i meet, (you must be an idiot if you arent) but i am now way more concious of the fact they are not always going to be as honest and profesional as i used to expect. You question what they say and you are in for a rough ride, even if they are talking complete bollox. Thats the problem with some of them, they cant accept they could be wrong. They also know that if something would go to court on a motoring offence, the driver is pretty much screwed to defend themselves against the word of a trafic cop. That knowledge makes some of them arogant in the extreme.
Hope you are OK Nathan m8!
Most people have a lot of respect for what the Majority of Police do. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the respect for the police is dropping as a result of the enforcement tactics now used by the Police when it comes to road offence enforcement though.
Lets face it, we only normally have contact with the police in two scenarios. 1) is when we have just been burgled, and most of the time they do **** all about that. (not through their own fault usually) 2)When we are doing something motoring related.
It's a shame that the experiences with the police we tend to highlight and remember are the ones where we have met a rather arogant and prejudiced trafic oficer. I'll never forget the time i got pulled by a trafic guy on a bike because he crapped his pants when my waste gate chatter woke him up as i changed gear. He was half asleep at the side of the road as i passed by in my cossie. It's funny to look back on now but at the time he was seriously wound up and giving me a right load of abuse for nothing but waking him from his bored coma. He tried to do me for locking my wheels up thinking he heard me slam on the brakes in a panic, when what he actually heard was chatter from a 1.8BAR boost gearchange. That conversation was interesting with me being the calm and friendly person and him being a ranting nutcase.
I am always very polite and upfront with any oficer i meet, (you must be an idiot if you arent) but i am now way more concious of the fact they are not always going to be as honest and profesional as i used to expect. You question what they say and you are in for a rough ride, even if they are talking complete bollox. Thats the problem with some of them, they cant accept they could be wrong. They also know that if something would go to court on a motoring offence, the driver is pretty much screwed to defend themselves against the word of a trafic cop. That knowledge makes some of them arogant in the extreme.
01 January 2003, 06:33 PM
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Is this ( above ) the same man who on page 2 said , "I have no time for trafic police now, arogant, prejudiced, lying gits about sums them up." ????????
What about If I said you are a Tw@t and a very poor systems manager and then went on to rant and rave about how you have ****#d me off because you dont have the right attitude and spent half a page slagging you off & how you do your job. I bet you`d hate it BUT you never get it do you ? Why dont you swop jobs with Nathan for just one week ( i doubt you`d even last a day )and then we`ll see if you`ve got what it takes to earn the right to slag his job off
K ( just a level headed by stander in a crazy world )
What about If I said you are a Tw@t and a very poor systems manager and then went on to rant and rave about how you have ****#d me off because you dont have the right attitude and spent half a page slagging you off & how you do your job. I bet you`d hate it BUT you never get it do you ? Why dont you swop jobs with Nathan for just one week ( i doubt you`d even last a day )and then we`ll see if you`ve got what it takes to earn the right to slag his job off
K ( just a level headed by stander in a crazy world )
01 January 2003, 07:44 PM
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Did i slag Nathan off? No i didnt. Nathan isnt a trafic oficer and i happen to like the bloke as i know him personally.
You can also read a little bit further into this thread to see i actually said it was unfair of me to say that about all trafic cops.
Call me a **** systems manager if you like, i dont care, thats up to you and you are entitled to your opinion of me, just like i am of some of the trafic oficers i have had the displeasure of meeting.
You can also read a little bit further into this thread to see i actually said it was unfair of me to say that about all trafic cops.
Call me a **** systems manager if you like, i dont care, thats up to you and you are entitled to your opinion of me, just like i am of some of the trafic oficers i have had the displeasure of meeting.
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I got stopped outside my mums (MY02 wrx) this was after some little
****** had spent 500yds overtaking me on s scooter as i was dooing 30ish in a 30 zone i got straight out of the car and said what this
all about and they said i was driving suspisusly you no 30 in a 30
(right yeh)then i said will wot about the little to55er on the scooter ar they said thats what brought attention to you .why did you not go after him then we could not catch him they said then just walked off but i had a right go and he ended up apologising
.... thats the firt time iv been stopped in 5yrs (before that about 4 times in a week o yes and 11 points lol) but anyway its all good fun ........................
****** had spent 500yds overtaking me on s scooter as i was dooing 30ish in a 30 zone i got straight out of the car and said what this
all about and they said i was driving suspisusly you no 30 in a 30
(right yeh)then i said will wot about the little to55er on the scooter ar they said thats what brought attention to you .why did you not go after him then we could not catch him they said then just walked off but i had a right go and he ended up apologising
.... thats the firt time iv been stopped in 5yrs (before that about 4 times in a week o yes and 11 points lol) but anyway its all good fun ........................
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[elder statesman mode]
This thread makes me wonder.....
From the inside, tho' never a Bobby,
1. I accept that for various reasons the service is likely to attract more than its fair share of people who can't temper the arrogance encouraged by possession of a Uniform, with the necessary measure of judgement and common sense. But such people exist in ALL walks of lfe, including Scoobynetters!!
2. I accept also, that for longstanding cultural reasons some forces put more (arguably disproportionate) resources into "traffic" policing than others. But
3. My experience also overwhelmingly is that the general run of Police Officers have quite enough to do without running around seeing whom they can stop on a whim with a view to taking the pi$$.
Which leads me to the question......
Why do some Scoobynetters get stopped, apparently pointlessly, so often to the alleged point of being harrassed, whereas others have only ever been stopped once or twice and then only when committing an offence blatantly enough to hold their hands up??
I dunno..... is it something to do with the way they drive, even when within the limits of the law reasonably applied? Is it to do with their (visible) age?? Is it to do with the relative priorities within the Force Policies in their part of the Country?? (there remains something of a north/south divide in such matters, even these days, tho' often it goes back to the personal views of the Chief Constable)? Is it to do with a Government which has targets for everything, some of which are easier to achieve than others, and some of which continue to be driven by class envy even in the 21st century??
For example, IIRR there's someone who was stopped because his numberplate was a 'teeny bit small'. Why? What was wrong with the original such that it had to be changed? Was it really only a "teeny" bit small - there's an Escort Cossie in my part of the world with a 1/3-sized numberplate. Doubt it's to do with the performance consequences of excessive air resistance myself! Police will not unreasonably ask the same questions - [rant]remember, your numberplate is to become a major instrument of automated social control over you over the next 5 years or so, Oh Brave New World!!
[/rant][/elder statesman]
Views - of the non- "all Coppers are barstewards" type???
Phil
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[Edited by Phil Harrison - 1/1/2003 9:28:41 PM]
This thread makes me wonder.....
From the inside, tho' never a Bobby,
1. I accept that for various reasons the service is likely to attract more than its fair share of people who can't temper the arrogance encouraged by possession of a Uniform, with the necessary measure of judgement and common sense. But such people exist in ALL walks of lfe, including Scoobynetters!!
2. I accept also, that for longstanding cultural reasons some forces put more (arguably disproportionate) resources into "traffic" policing than others. But
3. My experience also overwhelmingly is that the general run of Police Officers have quite enough to do without running around seeing whom they can stop on a whim with a view to taking the pi$$.
Which leads me to the question......
Why do some Scoobynetters get stopped, apparently pointlessly, so often to the alleged point of being harrassed, whereas others have only ever been stopped once or twice and then only when committing an offence blatantly enough to hold their hands up??
I dunno..... is it something to do with the way they drive, even when within the limits of the law reasonably applied? Is it to do with their (visible) age?? Is it to do with the relative priorities within the Force Policies in their part of the Country?? (there remains something of a north/south divide in such matters, even these days, tho' often it goes back to the personal views of the Chief Constable)? Is it to do with a Government which has targets for everything, some of which are easier to achieve than others, and some of which continue to be driven by class envy even in the 21st century??
For example, IIRR there's someone who was stopped because his numberplate was a 'teeny bit small'. Why? What was wrong with the original such that it had to be changed? Was it really only a "teeny" bit small - there's an Escort Cossie in my part of the world with a 1/3-sized numberplate. Doubt it's to do with the performance consequences of excessive air resistance myself! Police will not unreasonably ask the same questions - [rant]remember, your numberplate is to become a major instrument of automated social control over you over the next 5 years or so, Oh Brave New World!!
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Views - of the non- "all Coppers are barstewards" type???
Phil
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[Edited by Phil Harrison - 1/1/2003 9:28:41 PM]
01 January 2003, 09:58 PM
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Passed my driving test in Jan '72, never had a single point on my licence in damn near 30years, have owned driven 'good' cars throughout that time and in the previous 15years couple of Ferraris, couple of Astons graced my driveway, I ran these 'sporty numbers' in addition to a Bentley Mulsanne Turbo (bought new and run for 11years), this was my 'style' until a few years back.
It is the Police that have forced me to become sneaky and to stop being the 'model citizen' I once was.
It is down to attitude, if stopped in the sports numbers I was treated totally differently to when stopped in the Bentley, same person, same accent, same driving standard. (actually I drove the Bentley faster and more often that the sports cars) The filf as I have come to call them (such is my contempt) are as prejudiced as any others but their 'canteen culture' causes an even more 'inbred' attitude.
I cannot believe that anyone here believes the bull being spread that they are impartial...face facts...they are not and never will be.
Now I am sympathetic to the rozzer who got a kicking, but the level of resentment he felt the brunt of is of his and his colleagues making, the fact that a good guy gets a beating is just as sad as the good driver losing his licence doing 120mph on a clear M'way, the system is in place and that is it, well the contempt is in place, so although I do sympathise, you don't actually get my sympathy...you want respect, then you and your colleagues AS A BODY must try to win it back.
This situation has been warned of even within your own service but they are over-ruled by the 'self-appointed' guardians ACPO, if I had my way that organisation should be made as illegal as Al Quaeda.
To show just how much contempt the filf are held in now;
20 years ago if I had enunciated the above at a dinner party I would have been in a tiny minority and would most likely be 'rounded on' for not supporting the 'boys in blue' well after this years Christmas lunch this subject was broached by one of my guests, the result....not a single voice was raised in defence of the filf, except mine!?! I was in the truly un-enviable position of trying to defend the undefendable.
16 adult drivers and not one good word.
I'm not surprised.
Just a little saddened.
It is the Police that have forced me to become sneaky and to stop being the 'model citizen' I once was.
It is down to attitude, if stopped in the sports numbers I was treated totally differently to when stopped in the Bentley, same person, same accent, same driving standard. (actually I drove the Bentley faster and more often that the sports cars) The filf as I have come to call them (such is my contempt) are as prejudiced as any others but their 'canteen culture' causes an even more 'inbred' attitude.
I cannot believe that anyone here believes the bull being spread that they are impartial...face facts...they are not and never will be.
Now I am sympathetic to the rozzer who got a kicking, but the level of resentment he felt the brunt of is of his and his colleagues making, the fact that a good guy gets a beating is just as sad as the good driver losing his licence doing 120mph on a clear M'way, the system is in place and that is it, well the contempt is in place, so although I do sympathise, you don't actually get my sympathy...you want respect, then you and your colleagues AS A BODY must try to win it back.
This situation has been warned of even within your own service but they are over-ruled by the 'self-appointed' guardians ACPO, if I had my way that organisation should be made as illegal as Al Quaeda.
To show just how much contempt the filf are held in now;
20 years ago if I had enunciated the above at a dinner party I would have been in a tiny minority and would most likely be 'rounded on' for not supporting the 'boys in blue' well after this years Christmas lunch this subject was broached by one of my guests, the result....not a single voice was raised in defence of the filf, except mine!?! I was in the truly un-enviable position of trying to defend the undefendable.
16 adult drivers and not one good word.
I'm not surprised.
Just a little saddened.
01 January 2003, 10:12 PM
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Because of the poor the standard of pay and conditions, the quality of some police officers can be quite low.
also no one whats to do a job when you are treated like S***.
And as for giving them guns, we could never sustain the amount of compensation for accidental wounding and killings.
Any comments?
[Edited by Ajax - 1/1/2003 10:19:09 PM]
also no one whats to do a job when you are treated like S***.
And as for giving them guns, we could never sustain the amount of compensation for accidental wounding and killings.
Any comments?
[Edited by Ajax - 1/1/2003 10:19:09 PM]
01 January 2003, 10:25 PM
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Slightly off topic.
i came accross this letter tonight, it was written in 2001.
Take the time to read it, even if not indeed written by a police oficer you cant argue against the fact that most of what it says is becoming reality and the effect is very negative on the police/public relationship.
http://www.abd.org.uk/police_letter.htm
i came accross this letter tonight, it was written in 2001.
Take the time to read it, even if not indeed written by a police oficer you cant argue against the fact that most of what it says is becoming reality and the effect is very negative on the police/public relationship.
http://www.abd.org.uk/police_letter.htm
01 January 2003, 10:35 PM
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lets NOT discuss police having guns
Its bad enough seeing them at Heathrow, and abroad, without seeing more guns here
it was quite scary that when my scoob was totalled in a 5 car pile up (no one injured thankfully) the first police to arrive on the scene where the Armed Response Unit
Steve
Its bad enough seeing them at Heathrow, and abroad, without seeing more guns here
it was quite scary that when my scoob was totalled in a 5 car pile up (no one injured thankfully) the first police to arrive on the scene where the Armed Response Unit
Steve