Insomnia, help!
03 January 2003, 01:56 PM
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Thank god Im not the only one with the same problem - I too have mega bad insomnia at the mo, the only way Ill actually get sleep is to get utterly plastered and then that isnt proper sleep.
Ive tried the following:
going to bed earlier, going to bed later, stopping caffeine, watching TV till I really feeel tired and none of them have had too much effect.
Im putting it down to too many things going on in my life ie - looking for a new job, worried about getting made redundant, wimin etc............. Just need to switch my brain off, but thats proving harder than I wanted.....
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03 January 2003, 02:26 PM
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Katana,
Had the same problem of not sleeping @ night. Always a night person and feel like death in the morning. (probably due to work shifts etc).
But the thing i have found that works for me in melatonin. I take a tablet 30 mins b4 i am going to crash out and it does get me off to kip.
From my non-medical background, i think it basically releases the things that are normally present when u r sposed to b going to sleep.
I dont use it every night, but it does work for me, so if you have'nt tried it. Maybe take a look .
Cheers
Dan
Had the same problem of not sleeping @ night. Always a night person and feel like death in the morning. (probably due to work shifts etc).
But the thing i have found that works for me in melatonin. I take a tablet 30 mins b4 i am going to crash out and it does get me off to kip.
From my non-medical background, i think it basically releases the things that are normally present when u r sposed to b going to sleep.
I dont use it every night, but it does work for me, so if you have'nt tried it. Maybe take a look .
Cheers
Dan
03 January 2003, 02:30 PM
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Try Kalms from most chemists. Its all herbal and does help.
I'm also on 5htp which is a precursor to seratonin and it helps too.
Well, it kept me rushing like a ******* at NYE so it must be good!
astraboy.
I'm also on 5htp which is a precursor to seratonin and it helps too.
Well, it kept me rushing like a ******* at NYE so it must be good!
astraboy.
03 January 2003, 07:19 PM
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Done some more reading, and found a bit more how sleep and serotonin are related.
The hypothesis that cerebral serotonin has a role in the process of sleep is strongly supported by two series of experiments. (i) Inhibition of the synthesis of serotonin at the level of tryptophan hydroxylase by p-chlorophenylalanine leads to total insomnia which is reversible; return to normal sleep is effected by the injection of 5-hydroxytryptophan, the immediate precursor of serotonin. (ii) Total destruction of serotonin-containing neurons located in the raphe system (as determined by histofluorescence ) also leads to total insomnia. A three-way correlation exists between the extent of destruction of the raphe, the decrease in cerebral serotonin, and the resulting insomnia.
From : http://sommeil.univ-lyon1.fr/article...nce_69/p5.html
Confused ? ... you bet!
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The hypothesis that cerebral serotonin has a role in the process of sleep is strongly supported by two series of experiments. (i) Inhibition of the synthesis of serotonin at the level of tryptophan hydroxylase by p-chlorophenylalanine leads to total insomnia which is reversible; return to normal sleep is effected by the injection of 5-hydroxytryptophan, the immediate precursor of serotonin. (ii) Total destruction of serotonin-containing neurons located in the raphe system (as determined by histofluorescence ) also leads to total insomnia. A three-way correlation exists between the extent of destruction of the raphe, the decrease in cerebral serotonin, and the resulting insomnia.
From : http://sommeil.univ-lyon1.fr/article...nce_69/p5.html
Confused ? ... you bet!
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03 January 2003, 07:27 PM
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WIth regards to the suggestion about serotonin and 5htp, and how they are more linked to stress/depression than insomnia, a lot of what I've read seems to link insomnia to depression/stress, even if it's only mild, chances are - and I think for me, not sleeping makes me more depressed/stressed, and creates a vicious circle.
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ seems quite useful.
- Jon
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ seems quite useful.
- Jon
03 January 2003, 08:37 PM
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Nightnurse works for me but I tend to wake up after 5 hours or so so take it according to what time I want to get up.A few bottles of strong lager works too.You could always try a bit of hanky panky with a young lady(guarenteed to get you snoring before she comes back from the bathroom) or if you're on your own,crack one off.
03 January 2003, 09:24 PM
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Guys
About 18 months ago i suffered from total insomnia for a period of some weeks this led to me being hospitalised. Now i am not saying this is going to happen to you, most people who suffer from insomnia come out the other side with no help from anyone but there are exceptions and i was one.
It turned out that i was suffering from Anxiety i.e for many reasons i was getting my nerves in a real state, since then i have been taking a drug called Venlafaxine which is from the SSRI group (selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors)this drug is an anti-depressant but i am not suffering from depression however anxiety and depression are closely related.
Over the past year i have learned much of how our nervous system works and in learning I now understand the symptoms to the degree they do not bother me.
Apart from the consultant at the BUPA hospital I have found a particular book a massive help, this book is not directed at insomnia(although it does have a chapter on sleep and its importance) but understand you suffer from insomnia because of somthing else that is happening to you and that is where this book helps.
The book is called :Self-Help for your Nerves by DR Claire Weekes ISBN 0-7225-3155-9
Good Luck to you all.
About 18 months ago i suffered from total insomnia for a period of some weeks this led to me being hospitalised. Now i am not saying this is going to happen to you, most people who suffer from insomnia come out the other side with no help from anyone but there are exceptions and i was one.
It turned out that i was suffering from Anxiety i.e for many reasons i was getting my nerves in a real state, since then i have been taking a drug called Venlafaxine which is from the SSRI group (selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors)this drug is an anti-depressant but i am not suffering from depression however anxiety and depression are closely related.
Over the past year i have learned much of how our nervous system works and in learning I now understand the symptoms to the degree they do not bother me.
Apart from the consultant at the BUPA hospital I have found a particular book a massive help, this book is not directed at insomnia(although it does have a chapter on sleep and its importance) but understand you suffer from insomnia because of somthing else that is happening to you and that is where this book helps.
The book is called :Self-Help for your Nerves by DR Claire Weekes ISBN 0-7225-3155-9
Good Luck to you all.
03 January 2003, 10:00 PM
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I should add that i have made a complete recovery and are now phasing the tablets out, if there is anything that i have learnt from this it is not to be afraid to get help when things like this get too bad.
04 January 2003, 01:13 AM
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Just spotted this and thought that i couldn't sleep LOL,lucks like i dont have much of a problem though,cant be good for some of you guys.
Its just started happening to me,not tired go to bed about 2 am cant sleep wake the missus jiffle about for an hour or so then cant get up in the morning cos i'm in such a deep sleep.
I reckon the computer keeps you alert before bed as i did not have a prob till i started spending all night on it.
Sleep well Paul
Its just started happening to me,not tired go to bed about 2 am cant sleep wake the missus jiffle about for an hour or so then cant get up in the morning cos i'm in such a deep sleep.
I reckon the computer keeps you alert before bed as i did not have a prob till i started spending all night on it.
Sleep well Paul
04 January 2003, 01:23 AM
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Yeah probably is,scoobynet doesn't help either.
Forgot to add i suffer from horrendous nightmares as well,gets worse when i work long hours and always have had them usually about things that i've done in the day and they go horridly wrong in my sleep,not nice.
Forgot to add i suffer from horrendous nightmares as well,gets worse when i work long hours and always have had them usually about things that i've done in the day and they go horridly wrong in my sleep,not nice.
04 January 2003, 01:31 AM
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your not alone
i have nightmares regularly.. sometime about the wife;usually really lucid and fkin horrific too.
fears about her illness relapsing i spose... scares the **** out of me really.
i have nightmares regularly.. sometime about the wife;usually really lucid and fkin horrific too.
fears about her illness relapsing i spose... scares the **** out of me really.
01 April 2003, 12:05 AM
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hi katana..
i find the 'net aggravates my insomnia.. all that info out there.. LOL
my brain goes into overdrive
my "record" is 4hrs total "sleep" in 8 days..
started during when my wife was seriously ill.. the stress had/has me so wired I could barely think.
I was a living ghost.. who needs drugs.. the hallucinations I had were spooking me big time.
things like road signs animating themselves as I went past, or deer walking right out in front o f me when they werent actually there...
funny the tricks the mind plays on you with lack of sleep.. i find i get paranoid too if I dont sleep for about 3-4 days..
these days I watch movies and try to relax as best as I can .. eventually i drop off.
good luck mate. its not fun i know.
[Edited by chrome - 1/4/2003 1:09:53 AM]
i find the 'net aggravates my insomnia.. all that info out there.. LOL
my brain goes into overdrive
my "record" is 4hrs total "sleep" in 8 days..
started during when my wife was seriously ill.. the stress had/has me so wired I could barely think.
I was a living ghost.. who needs drugs.. the hallucinations I had were spooking me big time.
things like road signs animating themselves as I went past, or deer walking right out in front o f me when they werent actually there...
funny the tricks the mind plays on you with lack of sleep.. i find i get paranoid too if I dont sleep for about 3-4 days..
these days I watch movies and try to relax as best as I can .. eventually i drop off.
good luck mate. its not fun i know.
[Edited by chrome - 1/4/2003 1:09:53 AM]
01 April 2003, 12:16 AM
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sounds like you are habit forming...
got youself the start of a net addiction mate
like i said.. al that info.. must retrieve..must assimilate..must post
[Edited by chrome - 1/4/2003 1:20:08 AM]
got youself the start of a net addiction mate
like i said.. al that info.. must retrieve..must assimilate..must post
[Edited by chrome - 1/4/2003 1:20:08 AM]
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