USA spec STi destroys the P1/TypeR/RA myth, IM Wake up!
08 January 2003, 05:28 PM
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john,
chronicles of car can be seen on projects forum of bbs.22b.com
pictures will be up soon.
engine should be complete in about a week or two, then dyno, then fitting to car. So only the minor problems left to solve!
chronicles of car can be seen on projects forum of bbs.22b.com
pictures will be up soon.
engine should be complete in about a week or two, then dyno, then fitting to car. So only the minor problems left to solve!
09 January 2003, 01:05 AM
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Should be a lot of fun Steve, It's a tall order to take on a car like Gareth Lloyds, but i think it's doable on the sprint track. (that will have to be a perfect run though, gareth and his car are awesome) No idea on the rest?
09 January 2003, 05:16 PM
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John,
Apologies if my post seemed more aggressive than I intended. I was simply responding to the general tone of your first post, which seemed to indicate "Why did those Americans get this car, none of them will be able to appreciate it anyway." I know this is not what you said, but taken as a whole with the comments about US drivers, etc. I felt it was a bit in poor taste.
One could just as easily make comments about Italian drivers... it's a land of extremes. On one extreme you have the cell-phone talking clueless woman in the massive Ford Expedition who cuts off 4 vehicles on her way to the exit ramp... and on the other extreme you have enthusiasts like us, mostly intelligent 20 or 30something professionals with the income and the discerning taste to love Subarus for what they are. Fantastic drivers' cars, not because of the hype but because of the driving experience.
I agree you all have been robbed of the DCCD, and it sounds like IM could use a forcible change in management. In Japan I understand the DCCD is the first thing they remove when modifying for power, so maybe you all are the lucky ones.
I was not attacking you personally in any way so I'm confused by the "et tu, brute?" comment. I have enjoyed our conversations in the past and appreciate your involvement and enthusiasm in the US enthusiast community. You are one of our most valuable members and I hope you know this. Hopefully we can get together the next time I'm in the UK, I'm still gutted that the trip up to see you didn't work out last time I was in London.
-Porter
P.S. - I'll trade you a US spec STi for 2 RB5s and a P1!
Apologies if my post seemed more aggressive than I intended. I was simply responding to the general tone of your first post, which seemed to indicate "Why did those Americans get this car, none of them will be able to appreciate it anyway." I know this is not what you said, but taken as a whole with the comments about US drivers, etc. I felt it was a bit in poor taste.
One could just as easily make comments about Italian drivers... it's a land of extremes. On one extreme you have the cell-phone talking clueless woman in the massive Ford Expedition who cuts off 4 vehicles on her way to the exit ramp... and on the other extreme you have enthusiasts like us, mostly intelligent 20 or 30something professionals with the income and the discerning taste to love Subarus for what they are. Fantastic drivers' cars, not because of the hype but because of the driving experience.
I agree you all have been robbed of the DCCD, and it sounds like IM could use a forcible change in management. In Japan I understand the DCCD is the first thing they remove when modifying for power, so maybe you all are the lucky ones.
I was not attacking you personally in any way so I'm confused by the "et tu, brute?" comment. I have enjoyed our conversations in the past and appreciate your involvement and enthusiasm in the US enthusiast community. You are one of our most valuable members and I hope you know this. Hopefully we can get together the next time I'm in the UK, I'm still gutted that the trip up to see you didn't work out last time I was in London.
-Porter
P.S. - I'll trade you a US spec STi for 2 RB5s and a P1!
09 January 2003, 10:08 PM
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Yeah but John, considering the spec of HIS car and YOURS, how close was it?? Bloody close IMO, and with a car like Adams, it will be very very close!!
09 January 2003, 10:36 PM
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Gareth won the event with a 31.84s time
My fastest was 33.03s which was faster than the Noris designs 580BHP evo.
Considering at the time i had my stock suspension, normal road tyres, standard engine and flat spark plugs (abandoned the top speed run cos of them) i was pretty chuffed with that.
Based on that i need to find 4% more overall performance to give Gareth a hard time, or find 1.19 seconds over the same length course. I think that is possible in Adam and Anders cars to be honest. I know Gareth was well impressed with what my RA could do.
It's easy to get carried away thinking that isnt a lot to find though, the fight Puff and I had was bloody briliant, finding those last few 1/10's is hard work!
My fastest was 33.03s which was faster than the Noris designs 580BHP evo.
Considering at the time i had my stock suspension, normal road tyres, standard engine and flat spark plugs (abandoned the top speed run cos of them) i was pretty chuffed with that.
Based on that i need to find 4% more overall performance to give Gareth a hard time, or find 1.19 seconds over the same length course. I think that is possible in Adam and Anders cars to be honest. I know Gareth was well impressed with what my RA could do.
It's easy to get carried away thinking that isnt a lot to find though, the fight Puff and I had was bloody briliant, finding those last few 1/10's is hard work!
10 January 2003, 12:01 PM
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Adam, Gareth Lloyds car is the most succesful road legal racing car in the country. It is a fully developed 580BHP, 7 speed Escort Cosworth
10 January 2003, 01:27 PM
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john,, glad you ahve faith in my car, but I honestly dont believe the standard suspension stands a chance of taking on that car round the track.
Didnt realise you got so close to him, but I would have thought if anything, witht he extra power and torque of my car coupled with the overdamped and undersprung standard 22B suspension, I reckon you would be hard pressed to beat your own time!
What the hell has anders had done that I dont know about?
Didnt realise you got so close to him, but I would have thought if anything, witht he extra power and torque of my car coupled with the overdamped and undersprung standard 22B suspension, I reckon you would be hard pressed to beat your own time!
What the hell has anders had done that I dont know about?
10 January 2003, 01:49 PM
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LOL
Have faith Adam, i think this is very doable. On this kind of course standard suspension isnt such a deficit, especially if it rains. It would help with a proper suspension package, but we have a good chance of at least handling the best EVO's, Gareths car will be a struggle, but it will be good fun trying.
half the battle will be Gareth himself, the guy is a brilliant driver, he has won many national championships and even won his class in the nurburgring 24hr race.
Have faith Adam, i think this is very doable. On this kind of course standard suspension isnt such a deficit, especially if it rains. It would help with a proper suspension package, but we have a good chance of at least handling the best EVO's, Gareths car will be a struggle, but it will be good fun trying.
half the battle will be Gareth himself, the guy is a brilliant driver, he has won many national championships and even won his class in the nurburgring 24hr race.
10 January 2003, 01:54 PM
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He has a sequential gearbox as well doesnt he?
Adam, why are you not changing the suspension? If you consider it not to be good enough?(which from your post above, i assume you do)
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Adam, why are you not changing the suspension? If you consider it not to be good enough?(which from your post above, i assume you do)
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10 January 2003, 02:27 PM
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I dont consider it good enough. I had always planned to change it although at this stage I have no idea what with.
If someone can present me witha decent option that isnt so over complicated that I will screw up the handling (I dont understand it well enough), then I will consider it.
Was going to go for something simple like the PSS9 billies kit, but it turned out to be a let down. All the other more upmarket kits need rebuilding too often.
Was even tempted to put P1 suspension on, but I think it is going to need to be harder to cope with the acceleration.
thing is despite extra grunt, I was no way cornering at the limit of the car before hand, its not like I am going to corner faster than the shocks can cope with just cos the car has twice the power!
the other point was that in my one venture onto track, I have to say the 22B suspension was awesome.
Dont know if it was the extra wheel tracl or something but I was able to drive around the outside of people, brake later and carry much more speed through the bends than the other cars on track with me!
If someone can present me witha decent option that isnt so over complicated that I will screw up the handling (I dont understand it well enough), then I will consider it.
Was going to go for something simple like the PSS9 billies kit, but it turned out to be a let down. All the other more upmarket kits need rebuilding too often.
Was even tempted to put P1 suspension on, but I think it is going to need to be harder to cope with the acceleration.
thing is despite extra grunt, I was no way cornering at the limit of the car before hand, its not like I am going to corner faster than the shocks can cope with just cos the car has twice the power!
the other point was that in my one venture onto track, I have to say the 22B suspension was awesome.
Dont know if it was the extra wheel tracl or something but I was able to drive around the outside of people, brake later and carry much more speed through the bends than the other cars on track with me!
10 January 2003, 02:48 PM
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You need to get the car built and running Adam, then asses how it copes with the increase in torque by doing some testing. Take it from there then.
The stock 22B setup is pretty nice.
The stock 22B setup is pretty nice.
10 January 2003, 02:51 PM
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to know what it needs you need to be a good driver.
something I am not.
I have a terrible suspicion that once completed I will be bored with it very quickly and end up reverting the car back to a spec that I can almost handle.
Either that or learn howe to dirve properly.
I honestly think it is a crime for that car to be in my possession.
Would you like to be responisble for speccing the suspension?
something I am not.
I have a terrible suspicion that once completed I will be bored with it very quickly and end up reverting the car back to a spec that I can almost handle.
Either that or learn howe to dirve properly.
I honestly think it is a crime for that car to be in my possession.
Would you like to be responisble for speccing the suspension?
10 January 2003, 03:16 PM
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be happy to test it for you Adam, work out what it is you want from the car and take it from there. Everyone needs something diferent depending on how they use it or how comfortable a driver they are. Be a good exercise for sure.
10 January 2003, 03:21 PM
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in my one venture onto track, I have to say the 22B suspension was awesome
(I can't talk, I haven't got the bottle to take mine on track, but I couldn't miss the opportunity for a dig...)
10 January 2003, 05:20 PM
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spinning was possibly the best learning experience for me in a car ever.
Apart from some fumblings off road a long time ago with an attractive 5ft 10 brunette.
never would I have consider putting down more power whilst opposite locking to prevent it from spinning, but in hindsight I know it would have saved me.
Apart from some fumblings off road a long time ago with an attractive 5ft 10 brunette.
never would I have consider putting down more power whilst opposite locking to prevent it from spinning, but in hindsight I know it would have saved me.
19 January 2003, 10:14 PM
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Well...After reading this thread...I agree with John...Just so everyone is aware...Prodrive is opening a Shop in Michigan here in the near future....Have just one thing to say about it all....I Wish Subaru would have given us the turbo GC8 way back when....Still my favorite body style....
Cheers...
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Cheers...
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20 January 2003, 01:58 AM
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My fastest was 33.03s which was faster than the Noris designs 580BHP evo.
Considering at the time i had my stock suspension, normal road tyres, standard engine and flat spark plugs (abandoned the top speed run cos of them) i was pretty chuffed with that.
20 January 2003, 10:59 AM
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Russel, spot on, everyone is getting all excited & worked up about a stop gap model, what will these be worth in 2 years time, probably about a grand more than a STI 7 is then.
01 July 2003, 02:10 PM
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John
Gotta say that your explanation of the Centre Diff Control was the best bit advice i've ever gleaned off Scoobynet.....really broadened my horizons as to the 'handling' of my Type-R
And yes I was one of the MANY people who thought the Centre Diff control was a no-go area whilst driving on tarmac
Makes trawling through the pages of Scoobynet worth while!!!
Thanks again
Tony
[Edited by Gixerman - 1/7/2003 2:24:05 PM]
Gotta say that your explanation of the Centre Diff Control was the best bit advice i've ever gleaned off Scoobynet.....really broadened my horizons as to the 'handling' of my Type-R
And yes I was one of the MANY people who thought the Centre Diff control was a no-go area whilst driving on tarmac
Makes trawling through the pages of Scoobynet worth while!!!
Thanks again
Tony
[Edited by Gixerman - 1/7/2003 2:24:05 PM]
01 July 2003, 05:30 PM
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Fizz-
That makes very little sense.
Don't they produce enough of the 2.0L standard WRX to meet homologation requirements? Is there some rule that says a manufacturer is prevented from making any version of a common chassis vehicle that has larger than 2.0L displacement?
Forgive me if I'm completely wrong, but I thought the requirement was that you had to build a certain number of vehicles with the correct displacement and drivetrain layout for Group N... not that you were completely prevented from building better cars based on the same model.
[Edited by Porter - 1/7/2003 5:30:56 PM]
That makes very little sense.
Don't they produce enough of the 2.0L standard WRX to meet homologation requirements? Is there some rule that says a manufacturer is prevented from making any version of a common chassis vehicle that has larger than 2.0L displacement?
Forgive me if I'm completely wrong, but I thought the requirement was that you had to build a certain number of vehicles with the correct displacement and drivetrain layout for Group N... not that you were completely prevented from building better cars based on the same model.
[Edited by Porter - 1/7/2003 5:30:56 PM]
01 July 2003, 08:57 PM
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Why only 300bhp then ?????? Surely they must have thought about it.
If they wanted to stuff the E8 why not do it in style and makes 400bhp 2.5. You can buy a warranted STi7 with 300bhp right now
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25% more cc and no more bhp, errr what thats all about. Sounds like it should have 25% more power I would be asking why it isnt 375bhp.
Oh and BTW 1450kgs and 350bhp still only gives 244bhp/ton which incidentally would only need a mildly tweaked RA to 300bhp have to get 244bhp/ton as well.
BUT we are talking standard for standard and the US STi is being sold with 300bhp so any predicted tuning results are pie in the sky ATM.
[Edited by chrisp - 1/7/2003 8:59:56 PM]
If they wanted to stuff the E8 why not do it in style and makes 400bhp 2.5. You can buy a warranted STi7 with 300bhp right now
.25% more cc and no more bhp, errr what thats all about. Sounds like it should have 25% more power I would be asking why it isnt 375bhp.
Oh and BTW 1450kgs and 350bhp still only gives 244bhp/ton which incidentally would only need a mildly tweaked RA to 300bhp have to get 244bhp/ton as well
.BUT we are talking standard for standard and the US STi is being sold with 300bhp so any predicted tuning results are pie in the sky ATM.
[Edited by chrisp - 1/7/2003 8:59:56 PM]
01 August 2003, 10:39 AM
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you measure octane in PON, we measure it in RON, we are not that diferent in terms of octane.
RON MON PON
90 83 86.6
92 85 88.5
95 87 91
96 88 92
98 90 94
100 91.5 95.8
105 95 100
110 99 104.5
We get 97RON Super unleaded.
[Edited by johnfelstead - 1/8/2003 10:44:42 AM]
RON MON PON
90 83 86.6
92 85 88.5
95 87 91
96 88 92
98 90 94
100 91.5 95.8
105 95 100
110 99 104.5
We get 97RON Super unleaded.
[Edited by johnfelstead - 1/8/2003 10:44:42 AM]
01 August 2003, 10:42 AM
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Oh Lordie
I'm about to correct the Felstead
Actually they measure it as MON + RON / 2
Scarey techno page http://www.refiningonline.com/Engelh...ep/TCR4_29.htm
[url}http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcnuts/fuelron.html[/url]
anf this is quite an interesting site
http://www.medfordfuel.com/octane.htm
Should keep Da Felstead busy and happy for a couple of minutes
[Edited by rsquire - 1/8/2003 10:51:26 AM]
I'm about to correct the Felstead
Actually they measure it as MON + RON / 2
Scarey techno page
http://www.refiningonline.com/Engelh...ep/TCR4_29.htm[url}http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcnuts/fuelron.html[/url]
anf this is quite an interesting site
http://www.medfordfuel.com/octane.htm
Should keep Da Felstead busy and happy for a couple of minutes
[Edited by rsquire - 1/8/2003 10:51:26 AM]
01 September 2003, 06:20 PM
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you misunderstood what i said Jason. Anyway, it doesnt matter, i was just disapointed you went off on one when you should know me better than to think i would slag all USA drivers off, there are some good ones, in general they do suck though. Next time you are over get in touch and i'll give you a run on track if i can, you are buying the beer and chill pills though!
I dont think they do remove the DCCD, that would be stupid, you get lower transmition losses through that than a conventional viscous non DCCD setup and it adds so much to the car as a whole.
Adam, Gareth Lloyds car is the most succesful road legal racing car in the country. It is a fully developed 580BHP, 7 speed Escort Cosworth, it is very very fast. Gareth can drive too! If we beat that car we will have earned it! Gareth won the sprint section last year.
[Edited by johnfelstead - 1/9/2003 6:30:51 PM]
Next time you are over get in touch and i'll give you a run on track if i can, you are buying the beer and chill pills though! I dont think they do remove the DCCD, that would be stupid, you get lower transmition losses through that than a conventional viscous non DCCD setup and it adds so much to the car as a whole.
Adam, Gareth Lloyds car is the most succesful road legal racing car in the country. It is a fully developed 580BHP, 7 speed Escort Cosworth, it is very very fast. Gareth can drive too! If we beat that car we will have earned it!
Gareth won the sprint section last year.[Edited by johnfelstead - 1/9/2003 6:30:51 PM]
