Who remembers the first "Real" 200bhp hot hatch in the 90's?
10 January 2003, 12:11 AM
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The Golf G60 was more powerful than the rallye I think, but it wasnt available to buy in the uk.
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yup just checked, I agree the G60 ltd was over 200brake, LHD, and 2 wheel drive, put a 68mm pulley on it and you`ll get that bit closer to 240bhp...
p.s golfs rule, I have a mk1 gti (on twin 40`s 160bhp ish)
[Edited by Gaz Jones - 1/10/2003 12:23:50 AM]
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yup just checked, I agree the G60 ltd was over 200brake, LHD, and 2 wheel drive, put a 68mm pulley on it and you`ll get that bit closer to 240bhp...
p.s golfs rule, I have a mk1 gti (on twin 40`s 160bhp ish)
[Edited by Gaz Jones - 1/10/2003 12:23:50 AM]
13 January 2003, 10:41 AM
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Dolo****e Sprint possibly the first 16V 1974 Not Bad for british Leyland And you can get 200 Bhp out of one with the right cam and carb setup!Oh yea and dont forget the Lancia Delta Integrale 1989 200bhp 0-62 5.7 sec 6 x WRC Wins Bla Bla Bla
13 January 2003, 02:04 PM
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I had a 1981 Triumph TR7V8 convertible, 4.3 litre race spec - still used it on road though. 295 BHP and aboot 310 ft.lbs or torque. All through RWD LSD, shortwheelbase = you can spin it in the wet without moving steering wheel LOL 
I had a rover 220 Turbo coupe - crap handling, crap brakes but still an ok car.
I had a rover 220 Turbo coupe - crap handling, crap brakes but still an ok car.
13 January 2003, 06:04 PM
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Just how many of teh sugggestions, so far are actually hot HATCHES, and have 200bhp ???? About 2 or 3 i think...
Metro 6R4 coud be close, thought id hardly say it was a hot hatch. Lancia Delta Integrale is about the closest so far I think, although almost in the supercar for its day.
Metro 6R4 coud be close, thought id hardly say it was a hot hatch. Lancia Delta Integrale is about the closest so far I think, although almost in the supercar for its day.
13 January 2003, 10:39 PM
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SEAT couldn't sell the 10 cars they made and ended up selling them at about 22k.
Integrale definately top of my list for hot hatch king! Actually thinking of buying one when I get back from the US
Integrale definately top of my list for hot hatch king! Actually thinking of buying one when I get back from the US
14 January 2003, 07:05 PM
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if you could get a dolly sprint to stay together for 1000 miles yould be doing ok , that isnt a hatchback , i think ford , er escort BDA had the 16v aswell , but that isnt new , 4 valve per cylinder engines existed in the 20's .
23 January 2003, 02:11 PM
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Just to correct, first production hatchback was Austin A40...
Agree with what youre saying but some of the 80s/90s hatchbacks that had under 200bp now make well over it, hence my comment on TT's version of the 16v Golf at 180bhp... Sold over 60 units so i guess thats a production run... now with modern electrics and proper fueling, easily over 200bhp today...
Integrale is a contender here, but most cars of that era had max of about 140bhp, but dont forget weight was half what most modern hatches are today, giving decent(ish) 0-60 times.
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Agree with what youre saying but some of the 80s/90s hatchbacks that had under 200bp now make well over it, hence my comment on TT's version of the 16v Golf at 180bhp... Sold over 60 units so i guess thats a production run... now with modern electrics and proper fueling, easily over 200bhp today...
Integrale is a contender here, but most cars of that era had max of about 140bhp, but dont forget weight was half what most modern hatches are today, giving decent(ish) 0-60 times.
Jon.
23 January 2003, 02:18 PM
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Integrale is a contender here, but most cars of that era had max of about 140bhp, but dont forget weight was half what most modern hatches are today, giving decent(ish) 0-60 times
still by todays standards they are very fast. I have clocked and official 0-60 time of 5.63 seconds in mine and that was with a slipping clutch 
It is now chipped and has a paddle clutch so it would be interesting to see what it could do now Paul
23 January 2003, 05:58 PM
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Don't forget a lot of the older cars are seriously lighter than the modern equivalents - more like 900kg than today's 1250 kg, so power-to-weight would be better. Old tyres and suspension set up probably slowed them downa bit again. Old brakes didn't slow them down at all!!!
24 January 2003, 05:37 PM
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Mumgo, my point exactly... so did they need 200bhp? probabaly not due to light weight, no aircon, 2WD etc etc... would I swap my Scooby for one.... er no, defo not in winter... all snug and warm in aircon'd car with surefooted handling.... ahhh....
01 September 2003, 10:35 AM
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I remember seeing it at the motorshow as well and being mightily impressed at everything - until I saw the £40k price tag.
Not even sure if any were sold in the UK in the end, don't think it was viable or reliable enough.
The 150bhp 2.0 16V was selling for under £15k which was very good value at the time (most stuff with 150bhp was 17-19k)
[Edited by TurboBoost - 1/9/2003 10:36:45 AM]
Not even sure if any were sold in the UK in the end, don't think it was viable or reliable enough.
The 150bhp 2.0 16V was selling for under £15k which was very good value at the time (most stuff with 150bhp was 17-19k)
[Edited by TurboBoost - 1/9/2003 10:36:45 AM]
01 September 2003, 12:56 PM
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The Pulsar VZ-R N1 Ver I & Ver II are 1.6l with 200ps (197bhp) @7800rpm
http://www.nissan.co.jp/PULSAR/VZ-R/index.html
[Edited by Lustral - 1/9/2003 12:58:42 PM]
http://www.nissan.co.jp/PULSAR/VZ-R/index.html
[Edited by Lustral - 1/9/2003 12:58:42 PM]
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