Builders of Terminal 5 to earn £55 k pa
#31
even if you people had all the retraining in the world you could never make a living in the trade because you clearly cant do the hard graft it takes to get good at the jobs you have been trained for let alone what it takes to earn out in the building trade
The reason i decided to choose a career that was more 'thought' based than physical labour was because it paid more at the time... not because i'm scared of hard work or physical labour!!!
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tittiecarcar - There's hard physical graft and there's hard mental graft. They're both tough in different ways. If you wish to generalise that i.t. people can't do hard physical work (some can some can't imo) then I'm sure we can generalise that all 'tradesmen' (your hubby included???) couldn't do anything mentally challenging at all. Try working out or formualting a complex mathmetical algoritm and coding that to an ever descreasing timeline else you get sh4t on or sacked.
I prefer mental graft (I have done the physical graft in my time, try a steel flange making factory & out in apple fields for 9 hours a day, 6 days a week in 40+ degree heat in israel for starters) to physical graft (yes I'm an i.t. bloke but can put my hands to many things) so I'm in i.t.(but no job at the mo!) and for me i.t. pays well fortunately but there's no job security so you can be out of work a lot.
I don't think anyone 'deserves' more money than the next person if they work hard (physical or mentally). Personally I think that my g/f should get paid far more than me (she's a doctor - worth far more than a joiner, builder, i.t boffin etc.) but that's not how things work. It's all down to supply and demand how much people get paid, simple. I say to anyone, if you're in the right trade/profession then all the best to ya. There are some who work hard for their money and some that don't & milk it in a cushy office job (we're probably all envious of these types tbh as we'd all like an easier life)
[Edited by Dracoro - 1/20/2003 12:36:57 AM]
I prefer mental graft (I have done the physical graft in my time, try a steel flange making factory & out in apple fields for 9 hours a day, 6 days a week in 40+ degree heat in israel for starters) to physical graft (yes I'm an i.t. bloke but can put my hands to many things) so I'm in i.t.(but no job at the mo!) and for me i.t. pays well fortunately but there's no job security so you can be out of work a lot.
I don't think anyone 'deserves' more money than the next person if they work hard (physical or mentally). Personally I think that my g/f should get paid far more than me (she's a doctor - worth far more than a joiner, builder, i.t boffin etc.) but that's not how things work. It's all down to supply and demand how much people get paid, simple. I say to anyone, if you're in the right trade/profession then all the best to ya. There are some who work hard for their money and some that don't & milk it in a cushy office job (we're probably all envious of these types tbh as we'd all like an easier life)
[Edited by Dracoro - 1/20/2003 12:36:57 AM]
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my husband is a joinTer a joiner is a diffirent trade you dont even know what the trade is and your telling me you could do it . i see its ok for i.t boys to put down the likes of my husband for what they do and asume they can do the job so easily but you dont like it when you get the same treatment back . do you think he doesnt see people like you all the time who think that the building games an easy earner .its not long before their back in there office .no more than he could sit in an office all day doing your job, could you work out in the freezing cold with sh8ty little site agents on your back, saying how long all day.
even if you people had all the retraining in the world you could never make a living in the trade because you clearly cant do the hard graft it takes to get good at the jobs you have been trained for let alone what it takes to earn out in the building trade. if these people were any good they would be at the top of there game & earning as much as my husband not winging because some eles earns more than they do. in the builing trade you only get paid for what you do. that meens if you want to earn you have to work harder than the next guy
[Edited by tittiecarcar - 1/20/2003 9:24:44 AM]
even if you people had all the retraining in the world you could never make a living in the trade because you clearly cant do the hard graft it takes to get good at the jobs you have been trained for let alone what it takes to earn out in the building trade. if these people were any good they would be at the top of there game & earning as much as my husband not winging because some eles earns more than they do. in the builing trade you only get paid for what you do. that meens if you want to earn you have to work harder than the next guy
[Edited by tittiecarcar - 1/20/2003 9:24:44 AM]
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Hi
I am retraining. :-)
My IT contract finishes 07th Feb and I cannot wait
I am completey and utterly pi$$ed off with IT.
Taking a few months off for holidays (1 month in Banff Snowboarding yessss)
Then start May 1st.
Also I'm selling my March 02 MY02 WR Blue WRX anyone interested :-)
[Edited by vel boy - 1/20/2003 11:33:29 AM]
I am retraining. :-)
My IT contract finishes 07th Feb and I cannot wait
I am completey and utterly pi$$ed off with IT.
Taking a few months off for holidays (1 month in Banff Snowboarding yessss)
Then start May 1st.
Also I'm selling my March 02 MY02 WR Blue WRX anyone interested :-)
[Edited by vel boy - 1/20/2003 11:33:29 AM]
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None of it's exactly rocket science, is it?
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I know -- I did it at university (but then fell into doing IT). It was a useful grounding because I now reckon I could do most jobs as none of them are as difficult as quantum mechanics, but there are some I just couldn't do (usually involving heights or cutting people up....)
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Dracoco,
"drylineing" ... i know it doesn't even look right, but that how tittiecarcar wrote it. Didn't want to offend her anymore by pointing out her mistake
As for rocket science, some rockets (and even the first space shuttles IIRC) used multiple intel 8086 processors that were specially made to very high specs to with stand the rigours of launch/space. The code was written in 8086 assembler. Hardly rocket science is it.
"drylineing" ... i know it doesn't even look right, but that how tittiecarcar wrote it. Didn't want to offend her anymore by pointing out her mistake
As for rocket science, some rockets (and even the first space shuttles IIRC) used multiple intel 8086 processors that were specially made to very high specs to with stand the rigours of launch/space. The code was written in 8086 assembler. Hardly rocket science is it.
#46
Let's all hear it for tittiecarcars husband, truly an unsung hero. Nobody on the planet can work as hard as him, an amazing man.
Just a couple of questions, though.
When he works overtime, does he get paid? At what rate?
Does he ever get called out overnight/during the weekend/over holidays? How much does he get paid then?
Has he ever worked more than 48 hours in one stretch with no sleep with customers on his back shouting, screaming and threatening to sue?
Personally, having had all sorts of jobs, from labourer to engineer to salesman amongst others, I can honestly say: I hate working for a living. Given the option to never work again but still have loads of money, you'd never see me for dust.
Just a couple of questions, though.
When he works overtime, does he get paid? At what rate?
Does he ever get called out overnight/during the weekend/over holidays? How much does he get paid then?
Has he ever worked more than 48 hours in one stretch with no sleep with customers on his back shouting, screaming and threatening to sue?
Personally, having had all sorts of jobs, from labourer to engineer to salesman amongst others, I can honestly say: I hate working for a living. Given the option to never work again but still have loads of money, you'd never see me for dust.
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As for rocket science, some rockets (and even the first space shuttles IIRC) used multiple intel 8086 processors that were specially made to very high specs to with stand the rigours of launch/space. The code was written in 8086 assembler.
....or the IT bod who wrote a bit of code?
Lee
ps. have these sorts of discussions with our IT guys, most of whom specialise in one area, thats easy/boring IMO
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....or the IT bod who wrote a bit of code
BTW I'll put my stake in the ground and point out that I'm not a code monkey, and have also designed and built a payload for a sounding rocket
[Edited by carl - 1/20/2003 4:05:54 PM]
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TitieCarCar - not quite sure what your attack on me was for?? UNLESS Jye_0 is your husband?? Then you have my condolences
I have NEVER worked in IT - I use IT as we all do, and looking after it has been the place to be for a few years BUT I AM NO IT bod, OK??
Also, I have grafted in my time, physically - working down the pits, steelworks with Blast Furnaces, Black and Decker on the line, eventually - after 12 years training and college I ended up in the Nuclear Missile Design Arena, the LONG way round!!
So, dont come your high and mighty bullsh1t to me!!
A Jointer is a good trade and I am sure your hubby works very hard, smoky ****, reading the SUN, getting dribbly over page3 and generally shouting abuse at the skirt that walks by!!
Pete
I have NEVER worked in IT - I use IT as we all do, and looking after it has been the place to be for a few years BUT I AM NO IT bod, OK??
Also, I have grafted in my time, physically - working down the pits, steelworks with Blast Furnaces, Black and Decker on the line, eventually - after 12 years training and college I ended up in the Nuclear Missile Design Arena, the LONG way round!!
So, dont come your high and mighty bullsh1t to me!!
A Jointer is a good trade and I am sure your hubby works very hard, smoky ****, reading the SUN, getting dribbly over page3 and generally shouting abuse at the skirt that walks by!!
Pete
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Certainly the IT bod's code often has the biggest consequences (e.g. first Ariane 5 flight failure, loss of several Mars probes)
They never did say who's fault it was when they got the metric / imperial measurements confused on the mars lander that smashed onto the surface.
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55K sounds fair enough- personally I can't see how anyone could manage on that amount living in the London Area- gotta be at least 75K pa just to get a semi decent pad...........
Skilled manual work is the "new IT contracting"- the only people getting good hard cash for short term contracts I know are plumbers and other tradesman- I'm thinking about re-training in one of these areas 'cos all my old IT contracting buddies are either on the dole or worse have taken perm jobs for a fifth of the pay they used to get!
Skilled manual work is the "new IT contracting"- the only people getting good hard cash for short term contracts I know are plumbers and other tradesman- I'm thinking about re-training in one of these areas 'cos all my old IT contracting buddies are either on the dole or worse have taken perm jobs for a fifth of the pay they used to get!
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