Anti War Demo: Saturday ,London
14 February 2003, 02:38 PM
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surely if up to 1 million protesters turn up in once place that would make it a 'rich target environment' for any terrorist group
and a suicide bomber or 3 could make a big mess
and a suicide bomber or 3 could make a big mess
14 February 2003, 02:46 PM
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without going into detail as to if I am a tree hugger or not, as I prefer not to get too political, but the fact is anyone turning up to that demo is likely to feel safe, the whole point about terrorism is to make no one feel safe so in a perverse kind of way that demo could be a prime target
gathering together in such large numbers seems inadvisable at the moment whatever your view point is especially as it will make jack all difference to what has already been decided
gathering together in such large numbers seems inadvisable at the moment whatever your view point is especially as it will make jack all difference to what has already been decided
14 February 2003, 03:59 PM
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www.khilafah.com is registered in London(its a publication house).
Its beyond me that they can publish this diatribe and not be prosecuted for 'incitement to racial hatred' under the racial discrimination laws. Oh hang on, the CRE is run by the ethnic minorities for the ethnic minorities (a kind of government funded club to beat us with
) Do you think they would listen to me if I made a complaint about this ?.
me neither
Its beyond me that they can publish this diatribe and not be prosecuted for 'incitement to racial hatred' under the racial discrimination laws. Oh hang on, the CRE is run by the ethnic minorities for the ethnic minorities (a kind of government funded club to beat us with
) Do you think they would listen to me if I made a complaint about this ?.me neither
14 February 2003, 04:25 PM
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zero_to60 - exactly the same has crossed my mind. If terrorists really want to make a statement this would be a very soft target.
On a lighter note, Livingstone must be gutted that all these people are descending on London before he gets his congestion charge up and running!
Steve
On a lighter note, Livingstone must be gutted that all these people are descending on London before he gets his congestion charge up and running!
Steve
14 February 2003, 05:43 PM
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I think there will be trouble people learnt from the pro hunting marches that even if you turn up with 500,000 supporters the government take no notice but if you riot like they did over the poll tax then the government does a very quick U turn. I have to work in town on Saturday i wonder what fun it will be getting to work and home again etc.
14 February 2003, 07:29 PM
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"Its beyond me that they can publish this diatribe and not be prosecuted for 'incitement to racial hatred' under the racial discrimination laws. Oh hang on, the CRE is run by the ethnic minorities for the ethnic minorities (a kind of government funded club to beat us with) Do you think they would listen to me if I made a complaint about this ?."
Its called Racism....... They can do what ever they want but god help you if you if you fly the flag etc or sing "Rule Britania".....
Its called Racism....... They can do what ever they want but god help you if you if you fly the flag etc or sing "Rule Britania".....
14 February 2003, 07:45 PM
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What will these people do when the bio/chem attack happens in their street and their friends, family and neighbours die???
They will start moaning and complaining that our leaders didnt do anything!!
Now, dont get me wrong - we haven't convinced the world that an attack on Iraq is necessary - thats the US and UK's fault .... and I am not 'for' an attack at the moment. However, one hint of an illegal missile and we should let fly.
There is a major problem with the fact that we have an army, navy and air force in the Gulf - we cannot keep them there long!!
Pete
They will start moaning and complaining that our leaders didnt do anything!!
Now, dont get me wrong - we haven't convinced the world that an attack on Iraq is necessary - thats the US and UK's fault .... and I am not 'for' an attack at the moment. However, one hint of an illegal missile and we should let fly.
There is a major problem with the fact that we have an army, navy and air force in the Gulf - we cannot keep them there long!!
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14 February 2003, 08:46 PM
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yeah coming from a different angle as a member of the srmed services just think of what all that protesting will do for the morale of the troops already out there. people will start thinking its vietnam all over protesting about the war and such spitting on the soldiers when the come back. all they were doing is following orders and giving their lives for the greater good of the nation. if people don't like it then they should keep their mouth shut and stay out of it because generally it will have nothing to do with them. they are not the ones going out there putting themselves in harms way.
14 February 2003, 09:12 PM
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Not sure people are going to temper their views just because of the morale of the troops I’m afraid. Don’t think anyone is going to spit on anyone either. It’s not going to be the liberation of the Falklands or Kuwait though…..
[Edited by P130J - 2/14/2003 9:15:53 PM]
[Edited by P130J - 2/14/2003 9:15:53 PM]
14 February 2003, 09:16 PM
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You want to die fine ...... Dont moan.your getting free healthcare and wages.
Go follow your orders.......Bomb that village, shoot those women and kids. Rape women.. When you come back you can boast about it with your mates. You are just pawns in a game. This is not a real war.
[Edited by Luke - 2/14/2003 9:19:52 PM]
Go follow your orders.......Bomb that village, shoot those women and kids. Rape women.. When you come back you can boast about it with your mates. You are just pawns in a game. This is not a real war.
[Edited by Luke - 2/14/2003 9:19:52 PM]
14 February 2003, 09:31 PM
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Lol - told you AH. You will receive no approval from Joe Public for what we may have to go and do shortly - such is life.
Luke you really are a crass fool. We're not seeking your approval to go and do our jobs so spout away. We are all moral people and have informed, considered opinions on what may lie ahead. I respect other people's views and have the capacity to understand that other viewpoints exist.
I'm well aware that there are people out there who have no interest in the Armed Forces or what happens to them. This is absolutely fine with me - like I said, I seek approval from no one other than myself.
PS. You left out bayonetting babies - that's what I'm going for.
[Edited by P130J - 2/14/2003 9:43:41 PM]
Luke you really are a crass fool. We're not seeking your approval to go and do our jobs so spout away. We are all moral people and have informed, considered opinions on what may lie ahead. I respect other people's views and have the capacity to understand that other viewpoints exist.
I'm well aware that there are people out there who have no interest in the Armed Forces or what happens to them. This is absolutely fine with me - like I said, I seek approval from no one other than myself.
PS. You left out bayonetting babies - that's what I'm going for.
[Edited by P130J - 2/14/2003 9:43:41 PM]
14 February 2003, 09:34 PM
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not moaning about the job just about the people who should be supporting their country. you obviously have no concept of real war or what it is like to be there. and you have even less of a grasp of reality and politics. people used to support the military not now though they just want to slag it off. well lets hope that your never in the position where the lads have to bail you out.!!!!
14 February 2003, 10:01 PM
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I say give them a kicking, millitary targets not the suburbs, I do sympathise with the average Iraqi who wants to get on with his/her life and not get blown up, the Hussain family are all ***** in my opinion having read the propoganda, Saddams son killed his cousin at a family wedding because he wouldnt hand over his Lamborghini !
Nice family.....
Too many people in the world, backbiting occurs, survival of the fittest, well maybe we arent fitter than Iraq but we sure as hell have better guns (well the Yanks do and I would rather be on the
side thats winning)
What I say or do has ars3 all impact and whatever will happen will happen so you may as well put on some Megadeth and enjoy the images of destruction, well at least pictures of an Iraqui wedding where they decided to celebrate with AK47's, we had party poppers at ours and were not bombed.....
Nice family.....
Too many people in the world, backbiting occurs, survival of the fittest, well maybe we arent fitter than Iraq but we sure as hell have better guns (well the Yanks do and I would rather be on the
side thats winning)
What I say or do has ars3 all impact and whatever will happen will happen so you may as well put on some Megadeth and enjoy the images of destruction, well at least pictures of an Iraqui wedding where they decided to celebrate with AK47's, we had party poppers at ours and were not bombed.....
14 February 2003, 10:06 PM
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Give me one good reason why they are defending us. This isnt about terrorism. And who where the "Army sales men" who helped them have the weapons that they have?????
Think about it when your been attacked with stuff that our lot sold them... The Army are part of a machine that could start WW3 then lets see if the public support you. The Army needs to get real with the Goverment. Acting on orders is not an excuss.
Think about it when your been attacked with stuff that our lot sold them... The Army are part of a machine that could start WW3 then lets see if the public support you. The Army needs to get real with the Goverment. Acting on orders is not an excuss.
14 February 2003, 10:51 PM
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The Army is there to protect and serve the country however the leaders (right or wrong as you see it) deem appropriate.
The Army is a Regimented Force (No ****
) and has a chain of command. Each person does as told. If it didn't, it would be useless and have the fighting abilty of squashed bugs. Why have we done so well in historical battles? 'Cos our soldiers followed orders.
I am glad we have a fighting force that is regarded as one of, if not the best in the world. The American Navy Seals cannot match the SAS /SBS. Our Red and Green Berrets are respected the world over.
I would like to see the Dictatorship in Iraq fall and be removed. I believe the Middle East would become a more stable area as a result.
Our Forces will not be going to try and kill innocent people, just the opposition forces. Unfortunately innocents will get caught.
I find it offensive that Luke suggests that our Armed Forces would Rape and Kill Women. That is not something the British Army does.
Before Luke suggests I go and fight. I don't have the mental conditioning to that line of work. It does scare the hell out of me. But I respect those that do and defend the interests of our Country. I am proud to be British and I am proud of our Military and our Military History.
As our American Cousins would say....LETS KICK SOME...
The Army is a Regimented Force (No ****
) and has a chain of command. Each person does as told. If it didn't, it would be useless and have the fighting abilty of squashed bugs. Why have we done so well in historical battles? 'Cos our soldiers followed orders.I am glad we have a fighting force that is regarded as one of, if not the best in the world. The American Navy Seals cannot match the SAS /SBS. Our Red and Green Berrets are respected the world over.
I would like to see the Dictatorship in Iraq fall and be removed. I believe the Middle East would become a more stable area as a result.
Our Forces will not be going to try and kill innocent people, just the opposition forces. Unfortunately innocents will get caught.
I find it offensive that Luke suggests that our Armed Forces would Rape and Kill Women. That is not something the British Army does.
Before Luke suggests I go and fight. I don't have the mental conditioning to that line of work. It does scare the hell out of me. But I respect those that do and defend the interests of our Country. I am proud to be British and I am proud of our Military and our Military History.
As our American Cousins would say....LETS KICK SOME...
14 February 2003, 10:55 PM
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What will these people do when the bio/chem attack happens in their street and their friends, family and neighbours die???
They will start moaning and complaining that our leaders didnt do anything!!
They will start moaning and complaining that our leaders didnt do anything!!
...Now dont get me wrong,IMO as long as Suddam Hussain is alive he'll try to develop weapons of mass destruction and look for every opportunity to use them on his neighbours,..the guy does need sorting out.
To somehow link him with...1.Osama Bin Laden,and 2.terrorist attacks in the UK, i think is debatable/doubtfull.
14 February 2003, 11:21 PM
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Paulr - I think you are missing my point, I made NO reference to Sept 11th at all.
Terrorists have great difficulty in manufacturing and deploying a Bio/Chem weapon - they generally need a rogue state to supply them in exchange for (usually, US Dollars!!)
So, what its all about is that if a madman has an arsenal of mass destruction weapons - he 'may' just sell them. Or, indeed, use them to attack Isreal say - what will Isreal do?? You KNOW what they will do - attack Iraq with its Nuclear Arsenal - then what happens?? correct, the WHOLE Gulf region is destroyed, NO oil, the world economies will dry up, the world will end as we know it.
I still need to be convinced that we should attack just yet though - we desperatley NEED that smoking gun .......... THEN we need to get behind the men and women doing our dirty work!!
Pete
[Edited by pslewis - 2/14/2003 11:22:29 PM]
Terrorists have great difficulty in manufacturing and deploying a Bio/Chem weapon - they generally need a rogue state to supply them in exchange for (usually, US Dollars!!)
So, what its all about is that if a madman has an arsenal of mass destruction weapons - he 'may' just sell them. Or, indeed, use them to attack Isreal say - what will Isreal do?? You KNOW what they will do - attack Iraq with its Nuclear Arsenal - then what happens?? correct, the WHOLE Gulf region is destroyed, NO oil, the world economies will dry up, the world will end as we know it.
I still need to be convinced that we should attack just yet though - we desperatley NEED that smoking gun .......... THEN we need to get behind the men and women doing our dirty work!!
Pete
[Edited by pslewis - 2/14/2003 11:22:29 PM]
14 February 2003, 11:26 PM
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"****** with no idea !!!!!! do you read the news papers or do you actually know something that is the truth "
The Army are not defending this country.We are not under attack from the Iraqis. We are been dragged into a nightmare that we are part to blame.
There are many other options that could soften the impact. The mess that we could start with this American Dick in charge is scary
It doesnt have to be this way.
Ps> Contact the MOD and ask if any UK troops where arrested for rape in Kosovo.........
[Edited by Luke - 2/14/2003 11:33:50 PM]
The Army are not defending this country.We are not under attack from the Iraqis. We are been dragged into a nightmare that we are part to blame.
There are many other options that could soften the impact. The mess that we could start with this American Dick in charge is scary
It doesnt have to be this way.
Ps> Contact the MOD and ask if any UK troops where arrested for rape in Kosovo.........
[Edited by Luke - 2/14/2003 11:33:50 PM]
14 February 2003, 11:48 PM
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Fastmover...
shoudn't you be spending more time studying maps and strategies with your gun toting buddies, then posting macho "lets wipe everyone out who gets in our way" posts???
just a thought!!
or are you AWOL, crying in a basement somewhere?
BB
shoudn't you be spending more time studying maps and strategies with your gun toting buddies, then posting macho "lets wipe everyone out who gets in our way" posts???
just a thought!!
or are you AWOL, crying in a basement somewhere?
BB
15 February 2003, 12:22 AM
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Luke, I don't know if any troops were charged with rape offences but I do know that numerous civilians have been along with murder, theft, assault etc etc over the years. I assume that as you're a civilian I am free to tar you with the same brush?
I'll say it again though, I respect your right to your opinions and your right to demonstrate freely so help yourself.
On the other hand I personally hold unpublishable views on you and your kind. But then they're just my opinions and I'm entitled to them too.
Beemerboy - the only people posting "lets wipe everybody out" on here are those people that don't face the prospect of going there. The rest of your post doesn't warrant a response - not from an adult anyway.
I'll say it again though, I respect your right to your opinions and your right to demonstrate freely so help yourself.
On the other hand I personally hold unpublishable views on you and your kind. But then they're just my opinions and I'm entitled to them too.
Beemerboy - the only people posting "lets wipe everybody out" on here are those people that don't face the prospect of going there. The rest of your post doesn't warrant a response - not from an adult anyway.
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15 February 2003, 12:43 AM
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Airoplane..
"On the other hand I personally hold unpublishable views on you and your kind. But then they're just my opinions and I'm entitled to them too."
As long as you dont call me a P*key, then this thread is safe...
[Edited by Luke - 2/15/2003 12:47:10 AM]
"On the other hand I personally hold unpublishable views on you and your kind. But then they're just my opinions and I'm entitled to them too."
As long as you dont call me a P*key, then this thread is safe...
[Edited by Luke - 2/15/2003 12:47:10 AM]
15 February 2003, 02:33 AM
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Thought I'd add my thoughts cos I'm bored.
I'm not a tree hugger (although I had long hair until last Thursday) and I'd be the first one to get behind the troops (about 5000 miles is about right ) for a war I thought was justified.
But certain things don't quite ring true about this particular episode and I think that a lot of the people exercising their democratic right to protest tomorrow will be not necessarily be anti war, just anti this particulat 'war'.
I get the impression that we're doing this for a number of potential reasons and that some of them arn't good, and before we commit our troops to potential harm I think we owe it to the people putting their ***** on the line to ask a few questions of our elected public servants.
Stepping back and looking at the big picture, we are about to start a globally unpopular war, with a country who has not threatened our national borders or interests in any way.
Justifying invasion by saying we're ousting a tyranical leader who's country has ties with terrorism and who stockpiles WMD's, means that we should be starting a war with America next, G.W.Bush seems a little dangerous to me, NORAID's funding of terrorism has caused more harm to Britain over the last three decades than Iraq could ever hope to do and during the cold war the US circled the globe with live nuclear bombers uninterrupted for 8 years, not to mention their stocks of chemical and biological weapons.
And I hate to say it but this country's record is not much better.
We've spent so many decades meddling in the affairs of others (wern't most of Iraq's airfields built by British firms) that the line between who's a goody and who's a baddy are getting very blurred.
It seems to me that the US was dealt a low blow on September the 11th, it's people expect (quite rightly) it's government to retaliate, it's only natural that they should.
But attempting to be the 'worlds policeman' in Iraq, whilst ignoring people like Mugabe in Zimbabwe, blatantly giving the world the finger over Earth Summit issues and don't even mention Israel (not even going to touch on that particular hot potato) smacks of double standards and I don't like the idea of George W and his beautiful wife Tony putting my country and family at risk (and the only way Iraq can hit back at us is through terrorism as their long range capacities were decimated in the Gulf War) because of short sighted and blatantly transparent reasons.
I could understand it if it was all about oil.
Sorry for banging on, it's better than working.
Dave
I'm not a tree hugger (although I had long hair until last Thursday) and I'd be the first one to get behind the troops (about 5000 miles is about right
) for a war I thought was justified.But certain things don't quite ring true about this particular episode and I think that a lot of the people exercising their democratic right to protest tomorrow will be not necessarily be anti war, just anti this particulat 'war'.
I get the impression that we're doing this for a number of potential reasons and that some of them arn't good, and before we commit our troops to potential harm I think we owe it to the people putting their ***** on the line to ask a few questions of our elected public servants.
Stepping back and looking at the big picture, we are about to start a globally unpopular war, with a country who has not threatened our national borders or interests in any way.
Justifying invasion by saying we're ousting a tyranical leader who's country has ties with terrorism and who stockpiles WMD's, means that we should be starting a war with America next, G.W.Bush seems a little dangerous to me, NORAID's funding of terrorism has caused more harm to Britain over the last three decades than Iraq could ever hope to do and during the cold war the US circled the globe with live nuclear bombers uninterrupted for 8 years, not to mention their stocks of chemical and biological weapons.
And I hate to say it but this country's record is not much better.
We've spent so many decades meddling in the affairs of others (wern't most of Iraq's airfields built by British firms) that the line between who's a goody and who's a baddy are getting very blurred.
It seems to me that the US was dealt a low blow on September the 11th, it's people expect (quite rightly) it's government to retaliate, it's only natural that they should.
But attempting to be the 'worlds policeman' in Iraq, whilst ignoring people like Mugabe in Zimbabwe, blatantly giving the world the finger over Earth Summit issues and don't even mention Israel (not even going to touch on that particular hot potato) smacks of double standards and I don't like the idea of George W and his beautiful wife Tony putting my country and family at risk (and the only way Iraq can hit back at us is through terrorism as their long range capacities were decimated in the Gulf War) because of short sighted and blatantly transparent reasons.
I could understand it if it was all about oil.
Sorry for banging on, it's better than working.
Dave