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24 February 2003, 11:13 PM
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Sorry mate but turbokitty is right on all the points he has mentioned. It is impossible depending on height/sex/weight to lose more than 1.5 Kilos of fat in a week. What would be the point of losing anything else but fat whilst dieting? It would be crazy. You know that.
Luke please. Don't argue for the sake of it. Be a man about this. accept that you have been mistaken about your dietry concepts, eat a little humble pie and you'll come out of this with a little self respect. We all make mistakes all of the time. It's how we respond to them that counts.
Sorry mate but turbokitty is right on all the points he has mentioned. It is impossible depending on height/sex/weight to lose more than 1.5 Kilos of fat in a week. What would be the point of losing anything else but fat whilst dieting? It would be crazy. You know that.
Luke please. Don't argue for the sake of it. Be a man about this. accept that you have been mistaken about your dietry concepts, eat a little humble pie and you'll come out of this with a little self respect. We all make mistakes all of the time. It's how we respond to them that counts.
24 February 2003, 11:14 PM
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Luke, you seem to be trying to turn this into some sort of slanging match. I suspect it's to try and detract from the fact that you know your approach was unbalanced, to try and distract from all the information I have posted to back up my statements, and to attempt to hide the fact that you can't offer any evidence to support your own position.
I couldn't care less what you think of me, what you think I might look like, or what you believe I do for a living. Your opinion is of little interest to me, since you have shown yourself wholly incapable of offering a structured and reasoned argument with evidence to support your claims.
The only thing I am interested in here, is trying to give sensible advice to people serious about losing weight and doing my best to draw attention to any bad advice or information posted in these threads.
[Edited by TurboKitty - 2/24/2003 11:15:45 PM]
I couldn't care less what you think of me, what you think I might look like, or what you believe I do for a living. Your opinion is of little interest to me, since you have shown yourself wholly incapable of offering a structured and reasoned argument with evidence to support your claims.
The only thing I am interested in here, is trying to give sensible advice to people serious about losing weight and doing my best to draw attention to any bad advice or information posted in these threads.
[Edited by TurboKitty - 2/24/2003 11:15:45 PM]
24 February 2003, 11:28 PM
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Turbokitty.
Soz
BTW.
If anyone is looking for a really effective natural appetite suppressent go to your local health food store and ask for some TYROSINE. Usually come in 500mg tablets. It's a single Amino Acid. Perfectly natural, quite cheap and works very, very well. Take about 1 gram when hunger or boredom takes a hold and you'll find that Mars Bar won't be so tempting...
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BTW.
If anyone is looking for a really effective natural appetite suppressent go to your local health food store and ask for some TYROSINE. Usually come in 500mg tablets. It's a single Amino Acid. Perfectly natural, quite cheap and works very, very well. Take about 1 gram when hunger or boredom takes a hold and you'll find that Mars Bar won't be so tempting...
24 February 2003, 11:39 PM
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you need to read the whole thread....... I have never said i lost a stone of fat... I said I lost a stone of weight.
The trouble is people dont read the whole story... sure she knows her stuff.(or knows where to find it) but she and you still cannot understand the point of the thread . its manner and what I said..
Typical ....
"eat a little humble pie " cant I'm on a diet
[Edited by Luke - 2/24/2003 11:41:56 PM]
you need to read the whole thread....... I have never said i lost a stone of fat... I said I lost a stone of weight.
The trouble is people dont read the whole story... sure she knows her stuff.(or knows where to find it) but she and you still cannot understand the point of the thread . its manner and what I said..
Typical ....
"eat a little humble pie " cant I'm on a diet
[Edited by Luke - 2/24/2003 11:41:56 PM]
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So you are now saying that all weight loss is good, regardless of how it's lost and whether the weight stays off?
You'd be happy to lose weight for 24 hours and then regain it?
If not, the point about F1 drivers is not relevant.
You'd be happy to lose weight for 24 hours and then regain it?
If not, the point about F1 drivers is not relevant.
25 February 2003, 07:51 AM
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"So you are now saying that all weight loss is good, regardless of how it's lost and whether the weight stays off?
You'd be happy to lose weight for 24 hours and then regain it?"
You reading my reply's then re writing them in your head.
I never said it was good.........we are talking about what can be possible.
Dont worry ..I've got time to keep reminding you.
"So you are now saying that all weight loss is good, regardless of how it's lost and whether the weight stays off?
You'd be happy to lose weight for 24 hours and then regain it?"
You reading my reply's then re writing them in your head.
I never said it was good.........we are talking about what can be possible.
Dont worry ..I've got time to keep reminding you.
25 February 2003, 08:12 AM
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Andrew Luke.
Sorry mate but turbokitty is right on all the points he has mentioned. It is impossible depending on height/sex/weight to lose more than 1.5 Kilos of fat in a week. What would be the point of losing anything else but fat whilst dieting? It would be crazy. You know that.
Luke please. Don't argue for the sake of it. Be a man about this. accept that you have been mistaken about your dietry concepts, eat a little humble pie and you'll come out of this with a little self respect. We all make mistakes all of the time. It's how we respond to them that counts.
See the problem... you forgot to read the whole post!!!!
never said you could ...never said it was a good thing...
[Edited by Luke - 2/25/2003 8:15:30 AM]
[Edited by Luke - 2/25/2003 8:15:58 AM]
Sorry mate but turbokitty is right on all the points he has mentioned. It is impossible depending on height/sex/weight to lose more than 1.5 Kilos of fat in a week. What would be the point of losing anything else but fat whilst dieting? It would be crazy. You know that.
Luke please. Don't argue for the sake of it. Be a man about this. accept that you have been mistaken about your dietry concepts, eat a little humble pie and you'll come out of this with a little self respect. We all make mistakes all of the time. It's how we respond to them that counts.
See the problem... you forgot to read the whole post!!!!
never said you could ...never said it was a good thing...
[Edited by Luke - 2/25/2003 8:15:30 AM]
[Edited by Luke - 2/25/2003 8:15:58 AM]
25 February 2003, 08:14 AM
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Not being funny Turbokitty but theres plenty of cr4p advice given out on this board day in, day out and I think you're totally missing the point of anything Luke is saying or trying to say.
Just because, for instance, you've tried a load of diets and are still fat, doesn't mean person "x" down the road won't have better results.
There are a lot of fad diets, some do genuinely work in weight loss. I don't agree with them - I prefer to eat and drink what I want and to exercise enough that I maintain my weight.
But if someone is overweight these diets do seem to work well and can be used very effectively for initial confidence boosting weight loss.
Sounds to me like this is a very sore subject for you."
See its easy when you just read it!!!!!
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Not being funny Turbokitty but theres plenty of cr4p advice given out on this board day in, day out and I think you're totally missing the point of anything Luke is saying or trying to say.
Just because, for instance, you've tried a load of diets and are still fat, doesn't mean person "x" down the road won't have better results.
There are a lot of fad diets, some do genuinely work in weight loss. I don't agree with them - I prefer to eat and drink what I want and to exercise enough that I maintain my weight.
But if someone is overweight these diets do seem to work well and can be used very effectively for initial confidence boosting weight loss.
Sounds to me like this is a very sore subject for you."
See its easy when you just read it!!!!!
[Edited by Luke - 2/25/2003 8:16:31 AM]
25 February 2003, 08:44 AM
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Oh dear, still not got the ***** to admit you're wrong Luke? You know you're not making sense, you're just too stubborn to let it go. Typical male.
You have time to continue to remind me that you are wrong? By all means carry on...
You have time to continue to remind me that you are wrong? By all means carry on...
25 February 2003, 08:48 AM
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Turbo ...me thinks that when you can reply proving what you are saying then we will start to get somewhere..
"Thick "...comes to mind
"Thick "...comes to mind
25 February 2003, 08:54 AM
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Next thing we should do is a
*********** How to read and understand a thread ***********
Got a feeling it should only take a day or two. But will allow months for others.
*********** How to read and understand a thread ***********
Got a feeling it should only take a day or two. But will allow months for others.
25 February 2003, 08:55 AM
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a-bluh?
How can you call someone who has substantiated their argument from the outset "thick"?
OK - you want to lose your weight. Best of luck to you and do it howsoever you desire.
The bad advice that you have been spouting will cause people more harm than good.
There is no substitute to healthy eating and moderate exercise in order to lose weight.
I'm not going to re-iterate the points heretofore already made as it would be a waste of all our time.
How can you call someone who has substantiated their argument from the outset "thick"?
OK - you want to lose your weight. Best of luck to you and do it howsoever you desire.
The bad advice that you have been spouting will cause people more harm than good.
There is no substitute to healthy eating and moderate exercise in order to lose weight.
I'm not going to re-iterate the points heretofore already made as it would be a waste of all our time.
25 February 2003, 08:56 AM
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Luke just incase that you determine for future weight loss you wish to shed fat read this short article. Very accurate and tells it like it is....
http://www.courier-journal.com/featu...20728body.html
Numbers show why you can't shed fat fast
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By BRYANT STAMFORD
The Courier-Journal
Trying to lose weight? It's important to understand that while you can lose weight quickly, you cannot lose fat quickly.
Although I've said this many times in this column, I still regularly encounter folks who tell me how thrilled they are that they are on a new diet and have already lost many pounds in only a week or two.
Their efforts are encouraged by weight-loss ads. An infomercial for a new diet plan currently running on TV, for example, presents several testimonies from women who say they lost a minimum of 6 pounds the first week.
Such testimonies are appealing. But they are entirely bogus if, in fact, your intention is to lose body fat. Here's why.
The first law of thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics tells us that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but can only be transformed from one form to another. If you are going to lose body fat, you must convert the chemical energy stored in body fat to mechanical energy used in muscular contractions and other bodily functions.
That's a tall order, because just 1 pound of body fat contains 3,500 calories.
To put this into perspective, just 1 pound of fat contains more energy than a runner will expend during an entire marathon! Indeed, fat is a miraculous energy-storage device, and to remove it from the human body requires sustained effort over a prolonged period.
If you are on a diet and you lose weight, and if the weight you lose is from stored body fat, you should be able to account for all the calories -- every bit of the stored energy.
This cannot happen on a crash diet that causes rapid weight loss. A quick look at the numbers reveals that they don't add up.
If you lost 6 pounds in one week, and if all 6 pounds came from stored body fat, here's what would have to happen:
The 6 pounds of fat, at 3,500 calories per pound, would equal 21,000 stored calories. The first law of thermodynamics demands that you would have to burn off 21,000 more calories than you took in for the week, or 3,000 per day.
Is this possible? Yes, if you ran more than 20 miles a day!
When people tell me they have lost a large number of pounds quickly, I am always polite, and I congratulate them. In my mind, however, I am asking, "How many marathons did you run last week that contributed to your weight loss?" The answer is, of course, zero marathons.
What's more, the weight is usually lost without any exercise at all. How is this possible?
Sugar, water and muscle
On any crash diet, the first weight you lose always comes from stored sugar (glucose stored as glycogen). One pound of stored sugar accounts for 1,816 calories.
But you also lose 3 pounds of water that is stored with the sugar, for a quick loss of 4 pounds in just a matter of two or three days. After that, you start losing muscle mass. One pound of muscle provides only 700 usable calories.
With these figures in mind, it's easy to see how you can lose 6 pounds in one week and appease the first law. According to the first law of thermodynamics, to lose 6 pounds of sugar, water and muscle, you only have to account for 3,216 calories (1,816 from 1 pound of sugar and 3 pounds of water + 1,400 from 2 pounds of muscle = 3,216 calories). That's a far cry from the 21,000 that would have to be burned if the weight loss were from body fat.
Your body loves fat
Why does the body do this to us? Simple. It's a matter of survival. When you go on a crash diet, your body believes it is starving, and it worries about its survival.
In response, it clings to its fat stores for all it's worth as a means of providing energy over the long haul -- as long as the period of starvation is likely to last. In ancient times, a period of starvation could be quite prolonged, and the body has evolved to cope with such periods.
The body will eagerly give up muscle, because muscle is hungry tissue that demands a lot of energy to keep it going. Thus, the body reasons that the more muscle it gives up, the better chance it has to survive.
Every crash-diet scheme is based on these principles. That's why they can deliver on a promise of rapid weight loss. That's also why the weight that is lost returns quickly.
The bottom line
Everyone who wants to lose weight wants to lose body fat, not sugar, water and muscle. With this in mind, accept the fact that to lose body fat, you must burn off stored calories.
You can expect to lose only about 1 pound per week that way, assuming you are being physically active every day for at least 45 minutes. If you are sedentary, you can expect to lose only about half that much.
Sorry, but that's the law, and the law always prevails, no matter what the ads promise you.
http://www.courier-journal.com/featu...20728body.html
Numbers show why you can't shed fat fast
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By BRYANT STAMFORD
The Courier-Journal
Trying to lose weight? It's important to understand that while you can lose weight quickly, you cannot lose fat quickly.
Although I've said this many times in this column, I still regularly encounter folks who tell me how thrilled they are that they are on a new diet and have already lost many pounds in only a week or two.
Their efforts are encouraged by weight-loss ads. An infomercial for a new diet plan currently running on TV, for example, presents several testimonies from women who say they lost a minimum of 6 pounds the first week.
Such testimonies are appealing. But they are entirely bogus if, in fact, your intention is to lose body fat. Here's why.
The first law of thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics tells us that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but can only be transformed from one form to another. If you are going to lose body fat, you must convert the chemical energy stored in body fat to mechanical energy used in muscular contractions and other bodily functions.
That's a tall order, because just 1 pound of body fat contains 3,500 calories.
To put this into perspective, just 1 pound of fat contains more energy than a runner will expend during an entire marathon! Indeed, fat is a miraculous energy-storage device, and to remove it from the human body requires sustained effort over a prolonged period.
If you are on a diet and you lose weight, and if the weight you lose is from stored body fat, you should be able to account for all the calories -- every bit of the stored energy.
This cannot happen on a crash diet that causes rapid weight loss. A quick look at the numbers reveals that they don't add up.
If you lost 6 pounds in one week, and if all 6 pounds came from stored body fat, here's what would have to happen:
The 6 pounds of fat, at 3,500 calories per pound, would equal 21,000 stored calories. The first law of thermodynamics demands that you would have to burn off 21,000 more calories than you took in for the week, or 3,000 per day.
Is this possible? Yes, if you ran more than 20 miles a day!
When people tell me they have lost a large number of pounds quickly, I am always polite, and I congratulate them. In my mind, however, I am asking, "How many marathons did you run last week that contributed to your weight loss?" The answer is, of course, zero marathons.
What's more, the weight is usually lost without any exercise at all. How is this possible?
Sugar, water and muscle
On any crash diet, the first weight you lose always comes from stored sugar (glucose stored as glycogen). One pound of stored sugar accounts for 1,816 calories.
But you also lose 3 pounds of water that is stored with the sugar, for a quick loss of 4 pounds in just a matter of two or three days. After that, you start losing muscle mass. One pound of muscle provides only 700 usable calories.
With these figures in mind, it's easy to see how you can lose 6 pounds in one week and appease the first law. According to the first law of thermodynamics, to lose 6 pounds of sugar, water and muscle, you only have to account for 3,216 calories (1,816 from 1 pound of sugar and 3 pounds of water + 1,400 from 2 pounds of muscle = 3,216 calories). That's a far cry from the 21,000 that would have to be burned if the weight loss were from body fat.
Your body loves fat
Why does the body do this to us? Simple. It's a matter of survival. When you go on a crash diet, your body believes it is starving, and it worries about its survival.
In response, it clings to its fat stores for all it's worth as a means of providing energy over the long haul -- as long as the period of starvation is likely to last. In ancient times, a period of starvation could be quite prolonged, and the body has evolved to cope with such periods.
The body will eagerly give up muscle, because muscle is hungry tissue that demands a lot of energy to keep it going. Thus, the body reasons that the more muscle it gives up, the better chance it has to survive.
Every crash-diet scheme is based on these principles. That's why they can deliver on a promise of rapid weight loss. That's also why the weight that is lost returns quickly.
The bottom line
Everyone who wants to lose weight wants to lose body fat, not sugar, water and muscle. With this in mind, accept the fact that to lose body fat, you must burn off stored calories.
You can expect to lose only about 1 pound per week that way, assuming you are being physically active every day for at least 45 minutes. If you are sedentary, you can expect to lose only about half that much.
Sorry, but that's the law, and the law always prevails, no matter what the ads promise you.
25 February 2003, 08:57 AM
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You had better read the whole post before you answer.
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The bad advice that you have been spouting will cause people more harm than good.
Realy???? well you find it and let me know!!!!!!!!!!!!
Luke.
[Edited by Luke - 2/25/2003 9:01:17 AM]
You had better read the whole post before you answer.
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The bad advice that you have been spouting will cause people more harm than good.
Realy???? well you find it and let me know!!!!!!!!!!!!
Luke.
[Edited by Luke - 2/25/2003 9:01:17 AM]
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Bwahahahahahaha!
You're right, thick does come to mind, but not in relation to me...
Did you really manage to miss all the posts in the previous pages with links to back up what I've been saying? You are the one that can't come up with any evidence to back up your increasingly shaky arguments.
You are obviously off on another planet listening to the voices in your head, rather than reading what I, or anyone else, am posting.
You're right, thick does come to mind, but not in relation to me...
Did you really manage to miss all the posts in the previous pages with links to back up what I've been saying? You are the one that can't come up with any evidence to back up your increasingly shaky arguments.
You are obviously off on another planet listening to the voices in your head, rather than reading what I, or anyone else, am posting.
25 February 2003, 09:01 AM
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Luke, I did. Both threads.
You are an argumentative man who is akin to a dog with a bone, or 2 now, as you have me to argue with too! Such fun for you!
Keep picking at the scab, Luke...it will scar soon.
You are an argumentative man who is akin to a dog with a bone, or 2 now, as you have me to argue with too! Such fun for you!
Keep picking at the scab, Luke...it will scar soon.
25 February 2003, 09:06 AM
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"Did you really manage to miss all the posts in the previous pages with links to back up what I've been saying? You are the one that can't come up with any evidence to back up your increasingly shaky arguments."
My argument is you are lying about what i have said
Simple, you are thick.
I have never given info about diets. I have only mentioned about weight loss that is possible but unhealthy.
I dont need further proof that your a woman!!
"Did you really manage to miss all the posts in the previous pages with links to back up what I've been saying? You are the one that can't come up with any evidence to back up your increasingly shaky arguments."
My argument is you are lying about what i have said
Simple, you are thick.
I have never given info about diets. I have only mentioned about weight loss that is possible but unhealthy.
I dont need further proof that your a woman!!