CraigH

Not when it's Advice it's not

You don't need to tell me I'm lazy - I already know that.

Dracoro

Can't you read my initial statement?

It's more for the benefit for those that can't use English properly and will help them a great deal in life. If you can't use the language properly people will come to the (often correct) conclusion that you are stupid.

TelBoy

Craig, do you honestly believe in the comments of your first post? Or was it just a Devil's Advocate, "take the other side" post?

Dracoro

CraigH - if everyone takes note and learns the language of the nation then there'll be nothing to criticise.

Using better English will also mean that people will understand you better and make life more pleasant and will open doors etc.

[Edited by Dracoro - 2/25/2003 1:55:51 PM]

GaryK

Drac,

How about grammar as well?

Gary

TurboKitty

Oh that'd be an unusual stance for Craig. See the remaining diet thread for details.

Dracoro

GaryK - One step at a time

I'm not expecting us to all be English degree standard, but just to improve the VERY BASICS that many people don't seem to know. This is almost primary school stuff really.

Not necessarily about spelling or grammar but trying to help people use the correct words! (e.g. brake and break mis-uses are not typos but not knowing the meaning of words!)

Edited because even when I get it wrong, I rectify it.

[Edited by Dracoro - 2/25/2003 2:01:55 PM]

Redkop

I fail to see how this thread can be of help to anyone! Do you really think anyone is going to refer to this before posting?
Why deem that everyone on Scoobynet should be grammatically correct. It's just a BBS - why isn't it acceptable to just use colloquials?

Does seem a bit patronising, as it does seem to mock, or is this the start of another flame war?

CraigH

Telboy

I certainly believe that a huge amount of people on here suffer from one that's for sure (snet, not necessarily this post)

GaryK

Red,

Agree dont think it's too important, drac, you have to be careful you could be pointing errors out to someone that has dyslexia and it may not be taken in the spirit it was intended. Just a thought. Now how about some maths help!

Gary

Dracoro

Well I now KNOW the difference between it's and its and can use the correct form from now on. I'm sure many other people are reading and thinking 'ah, that's how it should be done'.

Use it if you want, ignore it if you want. Up to the reader. It's the other threads where people criticise others English, this 'should' tell us how it should be done should we want to know.

CraigH

TurboKitty,

I take the side that I agree on or believe. I'm not afraid to say what I feel or think. That doesn't make me a Devils Advocate. If I wanted to be Devils Advocate my posts would be worded accordingly.

I'm not a sheep who cannot think for myself or will blindly follow others opinions, in some cases just because they're "friends".

I think you have an issue with people disagreeing with you and tend to miss major points to posts because of it. That's not an insult just an observation.

Dracoro

GaryK - People with dyslexia get the spelling wrong as the letters appear in the wrong place, as different letters etc. They still use the correct words, just spelt incorrectly. This thread was about using the CORRECT word, not about spelling them correctly (although useful if you do!). Although the threads all go in funny directions TBH but can't domuch about that.

TelBoy

Craig, just me asking, but in your reply to me, what were you referring to by the word "one"? Sorry if i'm being thick, i just don't quite follow what you meant. Ta.

CraigH

Superiority Complex. I believe a lot of people on snet suffer from one.

TelBoy

Ah ok, i see.

But i don't think this is a case of superiority complexes, at least it isn't to me in my mind. I just find it frustrating to read posts in which there are glaring errors. Maybe it's me (and some others), but i don't understand why people don't bother with their native language, it seems such a shame to me, that's all...

CraigH

Glaring mistakes like "i", instead of "I" eh?

TelBoy

LOL

I've said it many times before on threads similar to this, that the capitalisation of the letter i is the one rule of English to which i take personal umbrage!! Never has anyone convinced me why we should do this, and until they do, i'll continue with my little "i"s. Thank you!

carl

Typos are one thing (we all make them).

Even spelling things wrong -- OK, we can't look everything up before we post.

But using the wrong words entirely is plain ignorance. Surely if someone uses "they're" instead of "their" on the BBS, they'll do it all the time?

I personally have no problem with people using colloquialisms (I don't even know if I've spelt that right ). But this 'text speak' (e.g. extensive use of 'u' instead of 'you', and no punctuation or capital letters whatsoever) I find nearly impossible to read. It's just laziness on the poster's part, and because of that they might miss out on some decent responses. IMHO, of course

[Edited by carl - 2/25/2003 2:48:25 PM]

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Dracoro

There other types of dyslexia, such as being unable to speak properly because the brain puts ou words quicker than the mouth being able to vocalise them, so that the person appears to trip up on their speech because they're trying to say the latest word but haven't got round to saying the last one...

Redkop

Some people do not have the ability to be able to spell correctly. So what? What does it matter? As long as they are understood, it's irrelevant!

I know extremely clever people, very brainy people, they can't spell - but do they care? No, of course not!! Nor should we take 'umbrage' or feel 'frustrated' about it - there are more important things in life to worry whether 'X' has used capitals or dotted the i's, or even bothered with punctuation!!!!

TelBoy

Lynne, so why did you bother to spell everything correctly and use correct grammar if it's "irrelevant"???

carl

Language was developed to enable us to communicate. It has a set of rules to follow so that we're all singing off the same hymn sheet. If you spell however you fancy, then you risk not being understood. Why do you think there are two words 'bear' and 'bare' -- it's not because someone thought they'd have a laugh, it's because then you can understand what someone means.

There are still some that are ambiguous though -- sometimes I find it difficult from context to determine if the writer means 'read' (in the present sense) or 'read' (in the past sense).

If you want to continue on your chosen course, I suggest you read www.freespeling.com. Spelling things wrongly can be a nightmare with URLs, and also when coders spell variable names wrongly

Dracoro

The point is that, in many cases, they are NOT understood.

carl

No point in having ideas if you can't communicate them properly, is there?

Would you write a book in which everything was spelled wrongly? Would you send out wedding invitations with spelling mistakes in them? I think not

Mice_Elf

This from the person who took umbrage at someone calling themselves dyslexic in chat one night.

I remember that night very well, as you took to insulting my friend as well when she stuck up for the person in question.

Mice_Elf

Previous comment was directed at Lynne.

carl

[No longer relevant ]

[Edited by carl - 2/25/2003 3:08:25 PM]

Mice_Elf

Ditto - no longer relevant.

[Edited by Mice_Elf - 2/25/2003 3:11:27 PM]

Redkop

Excuse me! Why did you think it was a bother? It comes naturally! If I make a grammatical mistake or spelling error erroneously - so what? I don't lose sleep over it, nor do I care that people may have noticed it, but I certainly would not expect someone to pick me up on it. So don't start 'pedantic mode' with me