POC

Born a bloke, always a bloke, born a woman, always a woman.

I dont care how much you cut yourself up, or how f*cked up you're head is... you are what you were born as.

Doesnt matter what you 'think you are' or 'think you should be' its tough! I think Im a **** star, nothing could be further from the truth! I dont go ramming it down peoples throats though (so to speak! )....

Could you ever be wrong TK?

TurboKitty

Matt, the term transgendered encompassed both TVs and TSs, (as well as other types of gender expression outside of currently accepted norms). I use it because there are big differences between TVs and TSs and it's not often possible to tell by looking to which group an individual belongs.

POC

Wernt you marching to maintain that they are no different from any of us?

Why put them in 'groups' then TK?

Tiggs

has anyone LOOKED at the pics????? forget if they are men/women for a sec, how does someone sticking their **** in the air, slapping on more make up than pat butcher and having hair extensions that look like cast offs from the lion king suddenly become sexy?

none of those "women" are stunning, they are just tarted up, you lot need to get down to spoc savers.

T

TurboKitty

Nixs, I really don't intend for my views to come across this way, but I do feel very strongly about this issue. I have several TG friends and the sort of fear and discrimination they encounter is shocking. I don't think that's reasonable, tbh.

POC, in order to be wrong, I need to be stating a fact. Which of the facts I have posted here are wrong? The point of the thread is to ask a question and to discuss gender issues, how can that be 'wrong'?

BuRR

Let me ask a question.....

How would you guys feel if you'd slept with a woman that later told you they were a "man trapped in a female body" and were undergoing female-to-male sexual reassignment surgery?

Also... If "born a woman, always a woman" applies, then would anyone sleep with a sex-change subject after they had completed the female-to-male surgery and had some "wedding tackle" added by a surgeon?

Just to add a different view on the whole matter.

TurboKitty

si, why on earth would what I look like make any difference??

I_dont_giveafvk

cant say I find the idea very pleasent I must say

midget1500

added this to my last post but i think it might get lost in all of this...

TK <<would you sleep with this?>> so, the person is an object as well? i wouldn't say yes to a photo of anyone with that questioned posed. that decision would be made on knowing and being in love with the person.

so, TK, you would sleep with someone just because you think they look nice? why is that? can you please explain to me how you can be so incredibly shallow? i just don't see how that makes sense.(sorry - that sounds a bit harsh and like somewhat of a personal attack, it's not, just trying to make my point )

TurboKitty

midget 1500, I already covered that point on an earlier post. I suggest you look back if you missed it.

jgc

can you elaborate ? ... are they seeking sexual relations with the 'opposite' sex etc ?

POC

Nope, the point of this thread is for you to look down on others that do not see/agree with you point of view.

Said weirdos can do what they like, you going on a mini crusade will make very little difference to most people, especially me.

P

TurboKitty

No true. The only people I look down on are people narrow-minded enough to discriminate against people based on social conditioning.

POC

You were the one splitting the strage ones into groups

midget1500

i agree with POC. and i think this thread will very soon become muppetised - and this time, rightly so.

TK - yeah, missed your earlier post BUT you still said what you said and i disagree.

Katana

Next you guys are going to say that sleeping with a realdoll is not a good thing..

Markus

Em,
i assume the pictures are of TG's (just using the abbreviation as my fingers hurt), though they could possibly not be as it could be a way of testing people, as in, they are, umm, natural females (if that makes snese) and combined with the topic most would assume they are TG's

Anyway, would I sleep with any of the girls pictured? well, seeing as I've never spoken to them, don't know them, etc... no, I'd not, I'm not like that, prefer to get to know someone first. Would I sleep with them knowing they are a TG? no, sorry but no matter if they feel they are female inside, or have had a sex change, in my eyes they are not natural women, and I want a 100 percent 'born a woman' woman, it's jusy my choice.

does this mean I'd be nasty to a girl if I found out she was a TG/TV? No, I'm not shallow minded. OK, I might be a tad be weirded out when I met them, but I don't really judge people like that, I prefer to get to know someone first.

Someone's sexual preference or sexual or phyiscal identiy is up to them, I have no problem with it at all. What I *DO* have a problem with is people ramming their preference down others throats. For example, gay people going on and on and on and on and on and on about how gay they are. Sorry, but it's not on, I don't go around harping on about how straight I am. Anyway, enough of the semi-rant, it's a topic for another day.

midget1500

<<No true. The only people I look down on are people narrow-minded enough to discriminate against people based on social conditioning. >>

TK - it's wearing thin now. you are only proving POC to be right. you cannot prove what you just said with regard to social conditioning. i haven't discriminated against TG's, but yet you seem to infer that by NOT wanting to sleep with one that I am somehow doing so.

super_si

Curiosity

TurboKitty

The only reason this will get muppetisied is that certain people are unable to accept these issues and approach them in an adult way. Sad, but true.

POC

Why should we/I accept your views? How DO you manage to get out the door with such a big head?

midget1500

tiggs - yes. but TK has picked one thing and is harping on about it.

i wouldn't be friends with a child molester. clearly i am being unfair to them and discriminating against them. they deserve to have friends just as we all do.

TK - you still don't see how futile all this is, do you?

TurboKitty

Deciding who you do or do not want to sleep with isn't exactly the same as discrimination!

When I said I look down on people who discriminate, I wasn't talking about who they will or wil not sleep with.

TurboKitty

Markus, you missed the rephrased question, which was would you decide not to sleep with one of them jus because they are TG?

POC

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midget1500

<<When I said I look down on people who discriminate, I wasn't talking about who they will or wil not sleep with. >>

TK - i look down on you for looking down on people that discriminate.

TurboKitty

Where did I say that? My point is I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with TG people, in any sense, and I am asking why some people do.

I find it interesting, if not particularly surprising, that nobody seems capable of answering the question and instead you're attacking my views to conceal the fact.

ProperCharlie

let's muppetise this and get back the original thread. it was more fun. and all that poppers has given me a headache.

POC

Why not just leave it at that then, why should we explain?

I don’t understand why you have to be so high and mighty, please explain without looking down on us bigoted lesser individuals

TurboKitty

POC, the thread began by asking if people would sleep with a TG person, it moved on and I pointed out that I object to discrimination purely on the grounds that someone is TG. When I said I look down on anyone who discriminates, I made no mention of sleeping with anyone. I meant discrimination in any form. If that wasn't obvious I apologise.