Steve3dr

i agree with brom, if they gona make it members only we need another site anyway so lets use Stus new one (as its RSBB but 100times better anyhow).
He right, RSOC is more "rs polishers group" than "rs USERS group" these days, n that deffo not me, im not into these mothly meetings etc, i have friends, rofl. Most interesting stuff is organised outside the RSOC by groups of owners rather than the club itself.

Doc- Any normal club would do exactly as you say, but it aint a normal club, which is why i refuse to join- 30quid for 3crap mags a year, a sticker, a non existant website, and the oppertuninty to pay 80quid to hoon round donno for 20mins (if your quick enough with your application form, ie send back THAT day), 80quid for 20mins when you pay less than double foa a whole trackday....
And according to the accounts they really dont need or deserve my cash anyway- 50grand a year profit a year, n somehow managed to spend over 20grand on travel n hotel expenses in a year (between the 5 or so national organisers, not the local group/show organisers), and only 1500quid on website. So IMO its allabout making money n very little about US, so i dont think anyone should hold their breath for a good RSBB and jus go to passionford.com soon as its back online.
(doc, i can email u the accounts if you fancy a laugh, lol)

So to sum up, **** the rsbb, big up passionford.com (soon to be renamed RS DRIVERS/USERS club methinks...)

dingy

Steve 80 quid for 20 mins.....what u on about....

£80 for the day mate......

Costs £95 @ the mo, so its cheaper.......

chrisp

How many users have you got on passionford.com ?

What happens when you get 1 million, 2 million even 5 million hits a month and 5000 members ?

Bandwidth aint cheap and someone could end up with a big bill, I hope the commerical advertising is in place to pay for it all. Either that you you will restricted bandwidth and that will slow down the BB.

Just for example a simple thing like hosting pictures there have been one or two uploaders and hosters on here after turbosport and found that there is a massive download and bandwidth usage and had to remove the service.

Just be careful and check out what you are taking on.

brom

dingy
i think he means national day mate not a normal track day ect
where are you sunday i will come over to see ya av ya got that baffel to hand ???????

dingy

National Day is all day not 20 mins for 80 quid....

Will call yer

Steve3dr

Passion ford can handle 40Mb per second ive been told.

And the 20mins wasa slight 'jus woke up' exaduration, lol, but u dont get anywhere near as much track time as ur average track day surely?

Anyway, whocares now, this on bout RSBB

* RuDeY *

AFPMSL at steve

usual massive yawn at scott

i take it thas you matty see ya soon mate

rispec

[Edited by * RuDeY * - 5/23/2003 10:06:19 AM]

Redkop

You do Steve if track days are run in sessions

2wdcossie

so kel the issues relating to the board are beyond the webteam? AFPMSL

sums it all up that one

empire hoarding at its finest that one

use bbs.turbosport.co.uk

RichardPON

Steve - I got out in 7 sessions last year at Donno - which equates to 2hrs 20 mins of track time - trust me - that's plenty!

The one thing that's struck me from looking at the past sticky topics on scoobynet, is that the RS club, on the whole, is very far removed from its motorsport heritage.

Do the club organise talks or online chats with former WRC drivers or touring car drivers etc etc as on here? And the bigger question would be, even if they did, would any RS owners actually care. No-one's saying you have to be a motorsport enthusiast to enjoy the RSOC, but it needs to remember it's roots, and not confine motorsport (in which success is surely the pinnacle of any marque) to the Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts.

There is a big divide between RS Owners and Scooby owners in general, and that is that the RS Owners (in general ) are far less mature. You only have to take a picture of a crashed scooby, stick it on the RSbb, and watch how many people reply "Hate fookin rice rockets"/ "One less piece of Jap Crap" etc etc....

I think the hosting offer is a good idea - that way the RSOC stays as an official RSOC site, and should be representative of its members, regardless of who pushes the buttons. Also, maybe Simon could then sort out a little more interaction between the bb and the real world, as in scoobynet, so that people don't get caught up in their own self created computer based egos!

dingy

Be good if it happened Rich, but can't see the RSOC webteam doing anything with Simon. Which is a real shame, as scoobynet is one of the biggest and best BBS's in the world.

As for the talks n stuff, its mint that.

I am one of the less mature... with a mk 2 and a rice rocket

2wdcossie

pon, you speak more truth yoda my friend

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

Hello Chris P,
Our site is now running on the following equiptment:

A T1 Cobalt Server.
40GB reserved space for BB.
Dual Xeon 2.2GHZ.
2Gb Ram.


We expect to be able to handle 4000 REAL at once users without performance issues. (That essential means up to 10,000 users)

We will have online chatroom and our own uploader.

ALL SIGGYS WILL BE ALLOWED BY THE WAY


Im not an Internet Techie... but it sounds good to me.... any comments from those in the know?

Best Regards,
Stu







[Edited by Stu @ M-Developments - 5/23/2003 1:11:32 PM]

Mr.Manchester

DROPTOP, what i meant by my comment is.........

I tryed to log into RSOC for a while and it was offline, about a week later there was a message by giz saying sorry the board was down, iv been away on holiday! surely they should be more people involved with the site and have the know how on running it when someones away!

2wdcossie

yep

ex-webby

Hi All

Thank you for such a great response on all of this...

Firstly, I'd like to deal with something negative. Apologies to all for this, please don't bother to read this unless you're in that kind of mood

BoxerFlat4

I sincerely hope you were in a very bad mood when you wrote your reply. I am deeply irritated by it and DO take it as a personal attack.

Firstly I'll deal with your advertising question.

What? An increase is the grand total of £25 you've spent with us over the last 8 months on scoobyshop? Which has, incidentally provided you with over 2,500 clicks to your products which have mostly been using the ability we provided you FREE OF CHARGE.

Either way you look at it £3.12 a month, or 1p per click, you've had value for money you won't find anywhere else in the world for a company of your size and target market. You comments insults me, and the rest of the scoobynet development team that put so much time and effort in to providing this service and labouring over making it fair for everybody, not just a money maker for us! You are free to remove your advertising from scoobyshop at any time, and we'll have to find you £3.12 per month from somewhere else.

Whilst we're on the subject, can you please remove the link you have placed at the bottom of your post, which is in contradiction to the terms and conditions of use of scoobynet, and is in my view an insult to the paying advertisers.

Then we can move on to your slating of scoobynet due to the items you are waiting for including the Group Buy facility, the members for sale section and the membership packs.

There is only shaun and I working on this. We could double everyone's advertising (which means we would receive a whopping £6.24 average from you per month - and immeasurably more from the majority of other advertisers) and employ some people to do it. We feel this is unwarranted and spend an average of 2 - 4 hours per day (weekdays) plus 4 - 6 hours per day at weekends working on scoobynet, general admin, plus developing these features for you all.

They take time, everything has to be done in order, they will be done, they will cost you nothing.

The membership packs were indeed delayed, and we kept the members updated as to the genuine reasons for this. We could have just delayed the shop opening until later, but instead we thought the members would prefer to have the discounts available to them immediately.

We are hopeful that we've finalised the keyrings now (we had to throw the last lot away, at our own expense, as we were not happy with the quality - we COULD have just sent them out - but we CARE).

On top of all of that. Since when is it any of your business, how I conduct my business / personal life. It is not your choice to make if I decide that I am willing to take on more work in order to help a fellow car community out. I already host a number of sites, work around the world month to month, and manage 2 successful businesses. An offer to the RSOC is absolutely nothing to do with you.

You clearly do NOT understand the commercial reasons for this, as highlighted by your next comment. The offer is completely in good faith, and I am NOT "promoting" myself to anyone.

I'm not going to finish this post with a fluffy sentence like "Please don't take this as a personal attack : I hope you know me well enough to know it isn't....." which seemingly is meant to remove all of the words from above it. The reason I am so irritated by your post is that, regardless of the final sentence... you were stating all of this after the sentence "As a scoobynetter, I'm a little annoyed at this offer." and then "so much gets promised on Scoobynet, and so little is delivered."

I think you've had your fair share of delivery Paul. Why don't you start putting something back.

regards

webmaster

[Edited by webmaster - 5/23/2003 2:29:39 PM]

+Doc+

One thing good that will come out of all this when the RS BB is back up, its going to be a very interesting place to visit, it will be good to see the "members" and moderators views.

Doc

JjCoDeX75

On the whole, I have to say that the comments made by many about RSOC members are fair, as many of them tend to have a rather blinkered view of all other cars.

I am in the unique position of owning both Cossie and Scooby, and as such view both sites (only recently on the Scooby side) and I have to say that the site is truely impressive when compared to the rather buggy RSOC site, which has left me swearing many times.

The offer being made is absolutely superb and I we should embrace it with all support, and not let small minds on either side detract from such an offer.

Perhaps we can learn a little from each other, which closer contact may produce (ie less arrogance from some Scooby owners, and a little more balance from most RS owners !!)

For what it's worth, Simon, you have my vote all the way.

Best of Luck


JjCoDeX75

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

Hi just an update,
My board is now officially open at www.passionford.com.

Please feel free to come over and join. We already have over 105 users registered

Best Regards,
Stu

DROPTOP

100% better than the rsocbb aswell

Markus

On the comments of us lot waiting for things to be delivered...

I am not 100 percent sure exactly how many people actually handle the tech side of SN, my, possibly niaive, impression is that it's Simon and Shaun who handle the majority of coding and keeping things going. No offence to anyone else involved in doing the tech side. Regardless, you're looking at a lot of work, for not many people, all of whom have a normal full time job, in other words, SN HAS to take a backseat to their real job, thus things take time, and sometimes a lot of time.

If I could code, which I can't, I would love to offer my services to the team to help things out.

carl

Not sure what passionford.com is going to achieve. Surely you're only delaying the inevitable -- if you get the same number of registrations as the RSOC BBS you'll run into the same speed and bandwidth issues

Simon must have exhausted all the commercial BBS software options before taking on the onerous task of writing some bespoke software. Therefore you are, at best, only delaying the problem and relying heavily on lack of takeup.

BoxerFlat4

Simon -

Unlike you, you mean ? You've taken this as a personal attack, which it isn't Simon. My concern was that by offering to host and potentially develop the RSOC bbs, you were taking precious time out from potentially fulfilling promises made on this board. You yourself state it, Simon : with just you and Shaun on board, how are you possibly going to manage the extra workload, when the current workload is clearly too much ? You state that I have demonstrated a lack of commercial awareness : OK, lets put that into context :-

1. I sell Product A to people, and advertise the fact. Product A is a great product, new to the market, and generates lots of interest.

2. People decide to purchase Product A - but Product A isn't ready to release to the public, so I try and find time in my busy schedule to develop and finish it, so I can get it out the door.

3. If people ask, I tell them "It's almost ready", but don't/can't give them a definitive date for when it's ready.

4. Meanwhile, Joe Public is sitting at home, wondering whats happening. Finally, the product is released to the public - hurrah !

5. Only problem is, not everything is ready, but I ship it anyway. I figure it's better to get something out, before too many people complain. Oh, and some features are missing, but they'll get done evenually.

I find it ironic Simon that a company who have acted exactly as above was recently kicked off ScoobyShop, for this behaviour, and yet you are suprised that people complain when you do it ? I fully understand that the software etc etc needed to be developed - but most business ensure they have the product before promoting it, not the other way around.

As regards the amount of money I've spent Simon, my complaint wasn't about the cost of ScoobyShop - it was the cost of the banner advertisement, which I assume is still ScoobyNet's principal income stream.

All kudos to you, my man - I salute what you have done and achieved, and wish you success in the future. You are indeed a remarkable man, though, if on the one hand you say that only 2 people maintain ScoobyNet, and yet you wish to take on another forum/club site.

Finally, as regards my signature Simon, shall I point you to some examples where other people are doing exactly as I have done ? For months I have refrained attaching a signature, and yet again I see evidence of other people abusing the moderators lack of attention. If I can see it, surely they can.

BoxerFlat4

Actually Simon, I'll save you the wear and tear on your precious fingers...

Group buy (which I and others where told weren't allowd ) here

Suppliers "dropping" their business details into post :-
here

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
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Not sure what passionford.com is going to achieve. Surely you're only delaying the inevitable -- if you get the same number of registrations as the RSOC BBS you'll run into the same speed and bandwidth issues

Simon must have exhausted all the commercial BBS software options before taking on the onerous task of writing some bespoke software. Therefore you are, at best, only delaying the problem and relying heavily on lack of takeup.
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Why do you say that?
Maybe we will, maybe we wont but i think my partner in the project OWNING an ISP may help a little with hardware and bandwidth issues...

Its looking good to me, dont see why everyone wants to always try and put things down.

carl

Unfortunately, AIUI, it was never an issue of hardware and bandwidth, more to do with the scalability of the BBS software.

Of course you may have a vector supercomputer to run it on, so it won't be an issue (OTOH vector supercomputers generally aren't engineered to perform large amounts of transaction-based data handling )

You can always throw hardware at the problem, but I think BBS software may be a 'hard' problem (i.e. the time taken to perform searches, etc. goes up exponentially with the number of users and threads).

PS: Does your 'partner' own an ISP or a V-ISP? Is it based in the US (traffic from NTL->plesk seems to go via C&W's -- Clueless & Witless -- Washington transit router)? You really need a UK-based ISP (with a connexion at the LINX) to do a 'FastFord' BBS.

[Edited by carl - 5/23/2003 8:45:24 PM]

DROPTOP

carl , lets see

www.passionford.com will do better cos like scoobynet its got the resources n dedicated admin that u need , unlike rsocbb

its also got the atmosphere of the rsoc (well better) which helps keep ppl comin back

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

Its an ISP and its resides in France.

So... why are you trying to put it down? Whats it to you M8?

Not having a dig, im simply interested why the whole world has complained about the RSBB for 3 years and then as soon as someone wants to give the users a new home, all you ever hear is..it wont work...why bother... blah blah..

Best Regards,
Stu

carl

It's up to you -- it doesn't bother me in the slightest what happens to the RSOC BB.

I'm just trying to point out that the problems you've encountered were previously encountered here (about two years ago).

Good luck. I hope it goes well for you

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

Thank you M8