chrisp

Stu thats why people are asking the questions about performance and the reason the scoobynet software was custom written to handle huge amount of transactions. My post wasnt meant as a dig or putting you down or your machine it was a honest post about what you are letting yourself in for.

I have been on scoobynet for 4 over years and seen it grow massively and it did have bandwidth, reliability and performance problems over that period (very much in the distant past now) and I think Simon will agree it has been a huge learning curve for him and his team and not simply load some off the shelf software and away you go.

Apart from the odd hour or two occasionally for maintenance it runs 24/7 and as you can see the usage and info flow is massive.

Just post something in For Sale and if noone wants it watch it disappear off the front page in about 10 mins.

Trouble is it become a victim of its own sucess if its quick and reliable and plenty of info people come back and encourage others to join.



[Edited by chrisp - 5/23/2003 9:36:26 PM]

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

Yeah,
point taken mate, i did get a little stressed trying to get it all running but its looking good now.

Why not come and have a look www.passionford.com.

Thanks for the advice M8, sorry if i seemed to take it the wrong way

Best Regards,
Stu

ex-webby

BoxerFlat4

What shaun and I do for this community, we do in order to support it. We do not operate it in order to earn money out of it.

It may interest you to know that neither of us have earnt a single penny from ScoobyNet all money earnt if placed back in to the company that funds it.

For this reason, activities that earn a living are a necessary part of life. This means, that features which are offered free of charge and are not ESSENTIAL are done as and when time is available. Essential items, like ensuring the servers, software and hosting are up to the job, is done as a priority.

Because we do this out of passion, it is innevitable that a certain ammount of rules that apply to commercially driven ventures will not be applied to ScoobyNet. For instance. If we can see a COMPLETE benefit to the members by offering the shop and all of the benefits of membership immediately, whilst being open and honest with people to say that a card, stickers and a key ring will be dispatched at a later date, we'll take it. If it were a purely financial driven decision, we would have waited for the "big splash".

The offer to the RSOC was driven out of necessity to support a fellow group of members. Now that Stu has kindly stepped up to the challenge, you will see my comment from a few pages back saying "well done! let us know how you get on".

If it were a commercially driven decision, we would have gone in to competition, and would have won. But the NECESSITY has now gone, so we turn our attention back to the next most important matters.

I will re-state. You may have all the concerns you like about my ability to deliver what you require, but at the end of the day, it is not your decision, and not your business. The services you are demanding are not your god given right, they are being provided free of charge from our hard work.

I refer back again to the fact that shaun and I spent MONTHS of evenings and weekends producing the scoobyshop market place so that you are able to offering your products to this community at no cost to yourself. You just rocked up and used the service. If we were a purely commercially driven enterprise, we would have charged you, or simply left it with the banner ads. But we wanted to produce something that was of direct benefit to the community AND the vendors that support them.

Surely you can grasp the level of dissapointment I would feel when reading how even this is not enough for you, and you want shaun and I to work day and night JUST on what YOU want. We're not allowed to put our time in to supporting a community that doesn't even HAVE a BBS, we need to work day and night to produce your for sale section, and your group buy facility.

Now on to the "someone else did it, so I should be able to" remark.

Have you used to the report to moderator function provided to you? Or do you now demand that the moderators also spend all day and night trawling through every one of the posts on scoobynet in order to spot every single problem? These people also put all of their time if free of charge, in order to provide you with this service.

If you're still a bit stuck to understand why I'm so irritated by your comments, have a good read through this thread. Count up how many posts are negative about us trying to assist the RSOC guys, and then how many are positive. Then see how many of those negative posts are from one person who has a potential financial gain to be had from the free of charge services he is hoping shaun and I will place top priority on.

And on a lighter note..

Stu

Don't be down, i think the comments are just concern and friendly advice rather than putting it down. If you need and advice, etc, let us know. You're doing a cracking job for at least having a go. Yes, you may need to upgrade / re-write the software.. but scoobynet survived on the old software way beyond the traffic I understand RSOC received, so you should be fine for quite a while yet. Just be ready for it if / when the time comes

All the best

Simon

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

I guess thats the famous driver Simon then? Wondered who the mysterious webteam was!!

Thanks for the advice mate, im not foolish enough to ignore it i assure you. It is all well recieved now ive chilled out, that is to all of you.

Went live around 2ish i think and we have thios so far:

Our users have posted a total of 1388 articles
We have 171 registered users

Not bad in the first day so im happy, and ive got more users online right now than the rs forum had at any one time in the last 6months i think..so the community is building well.

Thanks again for all advice and comments both good and bad.

Scoobynet.... a performance i aspire to guys

Best Regards,
Stu

DROPTOP

loadsa pll omline n it stioll run smotth as a **** ho's ****

Mr.Manchester

had a beer have we?

Claudius

Which company is that and who owns it?

ex-webby

Claudius

Welcome to the discussion

Before you go down that road. The "money that is put back in to the company" is only used to add features / run the servers and bandwidth, not to stay in the company / make someone money. It was perhaps bad wording on my part.

All the best

Simon

ex-webby

DROPTOP

Please do not continue to post abuse similar to that which I have deleted.

If you do, we will take further action using all of the data we have already collected about you.

Regards

webmaster

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

Yeah,
Calm down Droptop M8.. dont get us RS users a bad (worse) name now..

Simon,
See what i have to put up with

ex-webby

DROPTOP

This is your final warning. The data we have on you includes your email address, ip address, and times of posting. This leads to you isp and eventually your name and address. Possibly also your employer.

You're not the first to try to abuse scoobynet and you won't be the last. Because of this we have a very simple and decisive set of procedures to deal with you.

This will not be tolerated, so please take me seriously, or test me to see if I'm bluffing.

Regards

webmaster

Steve3dr

Err, webmaster, what are you actually implying here? Gona get the boys round to do him over? ROFL

Think Droptops pushing it as hes pissed outa his head, but looks to me like you trying to threaten him, which really aint gona help.

Ban is fair enough, but what you trying to say is beyond me, but it LOVE to know

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

Steve, Droptop,
Whats being suggested here is it actually a chargeable offence to commit threatening behaviour on the internet and they have proof you have done it, as well as your address via your unique Internet Protocol ID (IP)

Just give it a rest mate,

Youve enjoyed the beer, go to bed

Scoobynet wont put up with it and its not happening on mine either so watch that beer in future

Goodnight Guys.

Best Regards,
Stu

Mr.Manchester

lets see if he edits it in the morning or if really is so dumb.

+Doc+

Thats me Hey I`m a lover not a fighter
Sober yet?

BoxerFlat4

Simon, I have demanded nothing : it is you who have offered these services to the public, and having done so, then takes offense when people expect those services to exist ! It makes very little difference to my life wether or not you and Shaun make money out of ScoobyNet - personally, I think you should, it may make the entire operation a bit more professional. Your rational seems to be "since we don't earn any money out of SN, we're not commercial, and thus the rules don't apply to us". Things like this :-

Perhaps if you DID charge people, you would be able to afford some staff to actually complete the promises you make. Understand me Simon, my issue is not with the services you provide, which I think are excellent : my issue is when you say to people "We'll have Widget A in ScoobyNet soon", or "ScoobyPlus Members will soon be able to do blah blah". If you and Shaun are so busy, wouldn't it be better to implement the system first, then promote it ? Rather than getting people excited about the service, and then letting them down by failing to produce it ? Because that is what you've managed, Simon.

Simon, if you can't deliver what you promise, why make the promise ? I don't care wether you implement it or not : why should I ? Do the honourably thing, and tell people that your working towards these systems, but don't promote them as if they are nearly here.

And how often have I reported a thread, for nothing to be done about it ? How often have I even sent you personally Simon, an e-mail about something I feel breaks the SN forum, and yet I hear nothing back ? How can you even expect people to report on threads, when the rules that this BB operate are so vague and unclear? And don't point me to the page with the rules when signing up : I've seen it, perhaps you should update it with all the other "unwritten" rules people are expected to know and remember.

And it's this attitude that irritates me the most Simon : do you know just how much money I've made from SN ? None : thats right, none. You seem to see yourself as some kind of saint, Simon, while all around you the evil traders make money on the back of your hard work. The reality Simon is, ScoobyShop has sent me no customers at all. I have no interest in wether you and Shaun actually can come good on your promises or not : because even if you do, it will make no difference to me. I have meet and helped people on the BB not because I had ulterior motives, but because I wanted to help people enjoy their cars. You say I've irritated you with my comments : well, congratulations Simon, because you've managed to annoy me enough to wish I didn't even own a Subaru any more.

I want nothing more to do with you and your little empire Simon : go play with your toy soldiers, while the rest of us live in the real world.

ex-webby

BoxerFlat4

We have NOT failed to deliver the services you have asked for us to focus on. We are still developing them along with everything else. These services WILL be available.

We did not state that they would be ready in 2 weeks, or 2 months. We simply stated that they WOULD be available. I am unable to judge how soon YOU expected them to be ready, and therefore will never be able to meet your personal expectations except through sheer fluke.

The guidelines of this forum are available at the top of the general forum for you to read whenever you wish.

I find it interesting how willing you are to attack my character. I have NEVER seen myself as a saint. It may surprise you to know that some people actually get pleasure out of helping others out and get a sense of achievement from the success of something that people feel goog about. This is the driving force of me, shaun and the moderator team.

It is also interesting how I am regularly condemned for trying to look after the "evil traders" at the cost of the community, and then attacked for hating them for making money! The challenge of running a site of this size is the balance required in order to maintain as happy a synergy as possible between these two vital groups.

Please do not slander me by making statements like that in future.

and as for :
There really is little I could say about this, that everybody reading would not know already.

I wish you all the best with your business and personal life, and look forward to a time when we might see eye to eye.

regards

Simon

Claudius

Thank you. After reading 11 pages, I thought I might as well ask a question. You didnt, however, answer it

I do generally speaking find your posts well worded, though. Perhaps my question was also not clear enough: isnt it you yourself, one way or another, who owns scoobynet and doesnt it generate profit?

I wont go as far as saying you're a saint but I do find that your initial proposition and the things you told Boxerflat4 sound a little unbelievable: you're here to help out this and even other internet car communities to be able to discuss cars, free of charge, for their pleasure, asking nothing in return.

You have to understand that this is a little hard to believe.

In the beginning, I thought that maybe you were just being nice and helpful, but then you offered to have the Ford BBS moderated by the people from on here. That really made it sound to me like you were trying to take the place over in the sense of trying to tell them what to say or do, like you do on here. That's where I got suspicious of your motives.
In addition to this, your one line reply to the guy who started a Ford BBS on his own before you were able to take the RSOC over made you sound a little bitter to me, as if you had lost something you were hoping to get.

I have no way of knowing your motives, but plain and simple philanthropy wouldnt be my first bet.

st3v3

hi i dont know whats been going on before so i wont comment,but THANKS FOR THE OFFER, damn desent of you,the rsoc bb has not been running right for at least 12 months,for you to let US use your resources, free,is a very generouse offer,i hope the webmasters look at your offer and take it very very seriously,
i for one hope they take you up on it!!

CHEERS GUYS
st3v3

Turbo_Steve

Ah politics!

Simon / BoxerFlat4: Guys pick up the phone or go to the pub or somthing. You're both adults, and while I can see you both are having a reasoned argument, I can't see that it is good for anyones interests: commercial, personal or pleasurable.

I feel a bit sorry for you, Simon: As webmaster you are in a difficult position with everything you say / do. People will always question your motives, your charecter and of course, not one of them will have met you. I for one have always been impressed with your objectivity, and your carefully worded posts.

Seeing two respectable members of the scoobynet community "having it out" online is not only embarrassing, but in a thread offering an "olive branch" to another BBS it is verging on the humiliating.

I know you both have valid points, but I can see this gradually turning into a flame war. Both of you have obviously invested a great deal of yourselves in your businesses (that's what makes them special) and so are not being as objective as I would expect.

It looks like the RSOC is a sensitive bunch, just like the scooby owners!

Claudius: I don't doubt that Simon has SOME commercial interest in hosting RSOC BBS. You don't become a successful businessman by being a doormat: I think the idea that he hosted it as long as it paid it's own way made sense to me.
As for offering to moderate...hmm...looks like that may have offfended a few sensibilities: I can see why.

Guys, we're all old enough to drive VERY powerful cars: Is it REALLY so difficult for us all to get along?

Right: I'll butt-out now. It just saddens me to see this level of dispute over such trivial things.

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

St3Ve,
Why not come and join the other 190 members over at www.passionford.com until such a time us upon you then Steve?

Webteam..
Can i applogise for Droptops behaviour on behalf of us RS Owners? I assure you we are not all like that... well Fagin excluded of course

Best Regards,
Stu


[Edited by Stu @ M-Developments - 5/24/2003 2:19:05 PM]

COSSIENUTS

THE RSOC BB DISCUSSION IS GETTING BORING ITS A PAIN ITS DOWN AGAIN I WAS JUST GETTING TO RECOGNIZE SOME NAMES

Rsrussell

Big,Big thank you to the scooby guys for the offer, but we're all joining stu in his new gaff www.passionford.com

And we all apologise for whatever droptop said

Cheers for the offer once again (even if it wasn;t appreciated by the webteam.lol)

Thanx
Rick

dba

If you didn't expect any critical observations then why ask so publically what everyone thinks?

I feel slightly sorry for Boxterflat4,he made some good points,and he got a roasting.I've read the thread again and can't figure it out tbh.

brom

i guess we better of with you stu at least we can have a laff n stuff with out being threatend with legal action ect !!!we are all adults and it seams this board is far to picky about wat we can type ie droptops comments n negative feedback on products like crap pace cooler ect
we are not doing anyharm with droptops coments ect i dont no wat he said but he dont mean anything ect there for you are being childish webmaster makin hings that arnt
the quicker we all get to our own sites the better

MooseRacer

huh?

brom

its all been explaned to me now !!!
lol
droptop the pi.ss head and regards chap tuning produces which we wont name ect !!!
it was nice chatting to you al

DROPTOP

yeah ok soz bout the language etc etc , jus had a few n not used to scoob boards

sober ? nope ,went to a fam bbq when i got up lol

ex-webby

DROPTOP

Huge respect to you for apologising, top man!

Claudius

I'm not even going to go there, you've read an entire novel in to my few words, I daren't say another thing .

I will say once again, Stu seems to be doing a great job, and clearly seems to have the kind of attitude that will make a huge success of www.passionford.com, so I no longer see the need for us to pitch in. If this ever changes, the offer is still there.

To all those, who have thanked us for the offer. Thank YOU also for your comments, it's actually a nice situation to be in that you're all grateful and we haven't actually done anything to help!!

All the best everyone


Simon

dazc2

Simon,

As much a good job as Stu is doing, it won't stop RSOC returning with the RSOC BBS. Giz is going to put some options infront of the committee sometime so i just hope he is considering your option for their sake.

If you want his e-mail address its gizmo@rsownersclub.co.uk or chairman@rsownersclub.co.uk .