saucy-scooby

When we joined the EC we lost all rights to punish children, along with most things that make this country decent.

Its the EC thats tells us we must not punish children, utter b*ll*x

Alot of kids seem to have it in their minds that respect is a god given right, well they are wrong, its something that is earned which kids these days would rather not work towards getting.

I feel for the family that lost their loved one in the lorry on the M3 through no fault of his own, those kids who threw that rock are scum of the earth, no if's, no but's and no maybe's

GaryK

I would echo the comments already said, its not a case of what should we do with them, the damage has already been done, it should never have come to this in the first place. There is a lack of discipline in homes and schools, Im sounding old but if I stepped out of line at home I got hit and if I stepped out of line at school got caned (only happened once mind!! oooo ouch!) simple as that, you learned early on the difference between right and wrong. Kids today do the difference...they just dont give a $hit.
Im (only) 34 so it shows how things have changed drastically in the last 20 years.

Gary

saucy-scooby

couldn't agree with u more gary, but wot can be done to turn the tide?

saucy-scooby

well done freak, but what would have happened if one of the kids had taken a note of your reg, gone home crying to mummy and the police had turned up at your door?

who would b the villain?

them for throwing stones and spitting, or you for protecting your rights to drive in safety on the public highway?

David Lock

If the kids were only 9 then their parent/parents should know where they are and be in control of them. One of the places a 9 year old shouldn't go near is a motorway for all the obvious reasons and parents have a duty to see this doesn't happen - no excuses here. At that age they cannot appreciate that hurling stones off bridges is a tad more dangerous than throwing pebbles in the sea. As they move towards early teens then the scenario changes and they start to understand that throwing stones at cars is dangerous. One of the problems here being that the more this is in the news the more "fun" it will be for some bored kids to play the bridge game. No one answer - schools, parents all have a part and IMHO video and PC games have a lot to answer for when reality becomes blurred. D

saucy-scooby

It all comes back to parental control in the end....or the lack of it

Parents appear scared to scold their offspring for fear of being jumped on by some goody goody social worker, I agree that a 9yr old should not be allowed to play near a motorway or any other road for that matter

parental control and money...parents need to learn to tell their kids the meaning of right and wrong and money needs to be pumped into organising places where kids can go and play safely

but above all criminal responsibility rules must be updated as a matter of urgency before more innocent drivers/passengers die due to 'bored' an 'disrespectful' kids throwing missiles 'cos its fun and they don't care about the consequences'

Scooby Diva xx

I have to agree with all that has been said... Parants are scared of their kids, hence why letting them get away with murder! I saw this on the news and was horrified to see the two girls actually start throwing stones at the camera's when they realised that they was being filmed,
They clearly knew what they was doing a should be punnished, and punish the parents as well. And instead of covering up their faces, they should of left them for all to see!!! All they will get is a telling off, when infact they should be stuck in a YOI..

Luke

Well given the chance .......... if I felt I could get away with it.............. Any child over 12 or 13 i would Hurt them.

So its not very PC............not worried......... look at this country. Tell me all this PC stuff has helped.!!!!

Alas

Easy to say that the kids don't realise they are doing wrong etc but why do they immediately run/hide/cry when spotted. They know fine what they are doing and as such should be answerable.
Punishment may not stop others doing it but would hopefully stop re-offending.
And I would hang them from the bridge (in a harness) just high enough up to give a target for lorries
Alas

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

I don't know what the solution to this problem of misbehaving kids is but why are you all so quick to blame the joining of the EU as the start of the problem, I live in Germany which is part of the EU and is under the same stupid laws as the UK but we do not suffer from the problems of delinquent kids lobbing rocks of the motorway bridges or mindless vandalism, the worst thing I have had to suffer at the hands of kids is the amount of noise they make.

I don't know what German parents teach there kids or how they discipline them but My car has never been touched, I also do not have car park dints or scratches, I can leave my car anywhere and it will still be in the same condition when I return to it.

So maybe you lot should br less quick to criticise the government, teachers and powers that be and look a bit closer to home. It is the parents job and parent alone to bring up their own kids to respect others and to behave, it is not down to the police or teachers or anyone else.

The Zohan

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So maybe you lot should br less quick to criticise the government, teachers and powers that be and look a bit closer to home. It is the parents job and parent alone to bring up their own kids to respect others and to behave, it is not down to the police or teachers or anyone else.


I think it should be a joint effort, the parents are the key to this at the end of the day though.

Thinking about it what responsible parent would let their 9 y/o anywhere near a motorway in the first place.

pat

It's all down to a lack of discipline, IMVHO.

The simple reason why kids don't give a damn is because they know that nothing will happen, there will be all sorts of "oh, you shouldn't do that" etc, but at the end of the day that's all there is. It's all too easy to "turn off" when you're bored listening to some lecture about why something was wrong, to say "yeah, whatever!".... it's almost impossible to ignore being punished by means of cane, belt etc. And let's make no mistake here, as an adult you'de get locked away for life for murder, these actions ARE serious enough to warrant such punishments. No ifs, no buts, no "he's only a child", the fact is that child has attempted to murder someone.

There is a dissolution of authority going on here. Due to the utter stupidity and shortsightedness of those in power, it's no longer possible to punish a child when it is necessary. This has grave consequences, there is a transition as a person reaches the age of responsibility for their own actions under Law. Suddenly, from a cocooned childhood where you could, quite literally, get away with murder, you suddenly face the long arm of the Law, and even little things that you previously didn't even think twice about could land you up inside. Of course it wouldn't even have occurred to you to do those things had you been taught the difference between right and wrong in the first place.

There is no longer any logical flow of authority. In years gone by there was initially the autority of the parents, then shared authority between the school and the parents, finally the authority of the State. There was a clear line, you knew quite well that if you crossed it you'de be in for a punishment, and that the punishment would (if you were caught, at least) be commensurate with your actions. Now there is no real authority for the first 16 years of your life, is it any wonder it's all going to poo?

What is more worrying too is that this lack of morality is now making its way into the adult population. I recall a story about a boy who had been caught during some misdemeanour, and had been returned to his parents by the police officer. The officer was shocked when he saw the father punish the child, not for the misdemeanour, but for getting caught! Exactly what kind of a meassage are these parents sending to their children?

I think we all understand the need to protect children. There have been horrific stories of children being subjected to the most appalling abuse, but I think it's important to remember that these are the rare exception rather than the rule. I would like to believe that the vast majority of parents are good parents, who would only reluctantly raise a hand to their child, and then only as a last resort.

Why then are we disempowering parents from raising their children with good morals? Why are we disempowering schools from teaching children the difference between right and wrong? Am I really that out of touch with reality? Do most parents want to cause harm to their children? Are most teachers sadists? If that's the case then we might as well give up right now...

Personally, I think that there are a few "bad apples" out there... some people who really shouldn't be parents, some teachers that really shouldn't be teachers, some social workers that really shouldn't be social workers etc but the vast majority are good parents, good teachers etc and we're tying their hands because of a few "bad apples"... wouldn't it be more sensible to root out those "bad apples" than to have a blanket ban ?

It's all down to causality... if there had been proper authority in these children's homes, then they wouldn't have even thought about throwing stones off bridges at traffic... and there would be no need to punish them, and no need to think about using a cane, or belt as a punishment... the key point here is that there has to be SOME deterrent, at every point in a child's upbringing... that deterrant needs to be commensurate with a child's age and the misdemeanour... it would be unthinkable to punish a 4 year old with a cane, but it may be the only way to get a message across to an obstinate 14 year old. Of course there will be special cases where even that doesn't work... A friend of mine once got the cane, smiled politely at the Headmaster and said "thank you" before leaving, but he was the sort of guy you could drop naked in the middle of the Sahara and he's be knocking on your door next week with a score to settle... having said that he would never disobey his father, some kids just need more "persuasion" than others!

Cheers,

Pat.

saucy-scooby

Respect, that is what is missing thesedays, pure and simple respect.

If anyone tries to stop a kid from thowing a stone or simply spitting on a footpath they are greeted with nothing but vulgarity, is it any wonder that people will be seriously hurt, killed and maimed if even the police are afraid to lift a finger towards these kids?

They are murderers, one day they will throw a stone, even a stone the size of a marble hitting a car or any vehicle at 70mph can potentially kill the driver and any passengers, and all they get if caught is a slap on the wrist or 'grounded' for a month by mummy and daddy.

PATHETIC

saucy-scooby

One thing that always amuses me is the parent who always says teir offspring is perfectly behaved, never puts a foot wrong etc...

a few days later you read in local paper that said sonny jim was up infront of local Magistrate on criminal damage charges

wot is wrong with parents anyway?

i agree, those two 9yr olds should never have been anywhere near the motorway, where were the parents and wot the hell were they doing?

and as to them throwing stones at the camera once they had been spotted, the sorry but they obviously knew exactly wot they were doing and should have been named and shamed, along with their parents who obviously couldn't give a rat's **** about their daughters welfare

saucy-scooby

should we start a lobbying group to make the point of all drivers of all vehicles so that the powers at be will finally realise the dangers we face on our highways every day?

saucy-scooby

agreed, matt, but those two girls caught on film, if you had two 9 yr olds and they were caught on a motorway bridge throwing stones at the cars...how would u deal with them?

and wot were the parents doing that was so important that they could not be bothered to keep a closer eye on them?

surely that is an example of extremely bad parenting?

matty01

yep,it looks like pretty bad parenting to me but i don't want to judge...
what would i do with them ...i really don't know off the top of my head..some serious punishment/enlightenment certainly seems in order though.

-=Buzz=-

beat them senseless, and then the parents if they complain about it.

Never did me any harmesadl;jflsvnsvnabhaelzxcv,/ nz.,nEL/RGEB...... BLUUUUUURGH...

saucy-scooby

this has surprised me a little.......or perhaps it hasn't.......

this is a very serious thread and yet its overtaken by a film on ch4 thats ages old and beef burgers


still if anyone here got hit by a stone from a bridge, doubt if you would survive anyway, would you?

in fact you would either end up as bloodied as the characters in the film, or mashed like an uncooked beef burger

unclebuck

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So we have the police saying that this has the potential to cause death or serious injury and on the other hand a legal system that says kids under 10 are immune from prosecution. WTF.. *someone* has to be responsible, and that someone is the parent. Maybe if they were made responsible *by law* for the unsupervised activities of their 'little angels' it would sharpen their *very* dull minds a bit.

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saucy-scooby

i agree with you entirely buck, but unless all the motoring groups, motoring clubs, businesses etc get together and make a stand against this murderous behaviour by kids then nothing will ever get done about it

it will just get brushed under the carpet like so many other things


until someone else DIES

Scoobydick

The kids should have the stones surgically implanted into their intestines - and then have to **** them out. That way the bigger the stones they threw and therefore the severity of the accident caused would be proportional to the size of the deterrant. If they chucked a breeze block then that would be tough luck for them - no exceptions.

Luke

Ok.......... this is a long and almost impossible road.

But putting up wire mesh to stop this type of thing might help.

saucy-scooby

good idea,fully enclosed bridges across all roads and railways.....

you know what would follow though...a minimum 25% hike in road tax, petrol etc etc etc etc

so which ever way you look at it, it will be us motorists that either pay with our hard earned wages or with our lives

matty01

The only way is to stop the kids wanting to do it,physical prevention is unworkable they'll just throw the stones over/from somewhere else,etc etc ) you're right Luke it's a tough cookie....

Fuzz unplugged

That's a cure though Luke!

Prevention in the first instance would be better. (kids taught right from wrong)

Somehow!

Andy

saucy-scooby

teach kids right from wrong..erm...yes, ok

but you are not allowed to smack kids if they are naughty (being slightly older than most on here, late 30's, i had a few good hidings when young and when i thought i knew everything...

but i also had considerably more of one attribute that seems to be in very short supply....

COMMON SENSE

you know, that little voice that tells you not do do something because its incredibly stupid, or that if u do something bad, such as throw a stone at a car passing underneath a bridge, you are likely to get the hiding of your life.....

common sense seems to be a very rare quality, both in kids and their parents...i mean, lets face it, would these darling kids put their fingers in a live power socket and call that fun aswell?

come to think of it, yes they probably would because they haven't got any common sense

saucy-scooby

just heard from a mate of mine that the car infront of him going southbound on M3 near winchester had a stone thrown at it, thankfully driver was able to keep control of his car and drove it to hard shoulder, my mate saw everything and waited for police to arrive.....

police said there was nothing they could do

result, kids get away with it again, one smashed windscreen and damaged paintwork but at least no injuries this time

Poor Guy

never, ever, ever.

saucy-scooby

fair enough, none of us have been perfect litle angels when we were young, but we were punished by ether our parents or the police if caught...

nowadays kids can get away with everything because of the lack of discipline that is allowed, mainly because of ***** footing do gooders who say that kids shouldn't be punished because they don't know right from wrong...

EU B*LL*X