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07 June 2003, 11:17 PM
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This is a very emotive subject, and I can see no reason why this discussion should not continue. However, should postings continue to contain abuse, or get personal, it will be locked.
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08 June 2003, 10:41 AM
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If i remember rightly from the Governments own research 89% of accidents involving pedestrians and vehicles are the fault of the pedestrians so how does this policy of speed camera's deal with the main reason pedestrians are hurt? Is it not negligent to target such a small cause of accidents yet ignore the main reason's?
Also i think large numbers of people who would traditionally support the Police now view them like the above postings, in Other countries the preoccupation with catching people for breaking the speed limits safely has been revised as the police services there realised it was alienating them from the majority law abidding population and that this was way down on the list of the people who they serve list of priorties!
The main problem with the UK Police forces is there lack of accountability to the population and they need to realise they are here to serve us the people who pay their wages via our hard earnt Tax.
Also i think large numbers of people who would traditionally support the Police now view them like the above postings, in Other countries the preoccupation with catching people for breaking the speed limits safely has been revised as the police services there realised it was alienating them from the majority law abidding population and that this was way down on the list of the people who they serve list of priorties!
The main problem with the UK Police forces is there lack of accountability to the population and they need to realise they are here to serve us the people who pay their wages via our hard earnt Tax.
08 June 2003, 08:31 PM
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Pug, I'm not interested in you or your comments. And re the knock on my intelligence, I haven't really got a degree or I don't really run my own property business.
I would just love to work for an organisation thats officially been labeled as "institutionally racist" and contributes to many often avoidable road deaths. I won't even bother to go into many other points I could make.
I shan't bother responding to anymore of your tripe either
I would just love to work for an organisation thats officially been labeled as "institutionally racist" and contributes to many often avoidable road deaths. I won't even bother to go into many other points I could make.
I shan't bother responding to anymore of your tripe either
08 June 2003, 10:03 PM
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If i went to work and performed as poorly as my local police force i would be down the road. Street crime is up. The only people getting done in my area are the motorists. Within the space of one week i have seen a copper in a volvo at the side of the road kipping at 2.30 in the afternoon. I saw a young lad of about 18 yrs of age handcuffed being held by 2 coppers while a third in front of him headbutted him. I am 30 yrs old a some snotty copper called me son, he looked like he had just left school. The police are alienating themselves badly from the general public. I have given up on em. When they get some sh.t i turn a blind eye. My gran was burgaled a couple weeks ago. We phoned at 9.00am they turned up 2 days later. Nice one.
08 June 2003, 10:38 PM
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I know what you're talking about....
...sometimes I don't even know what day it is!
In fact.... I don't even know how I managed to help convict an internet paedophile last week, getting him 8 years in prison.....
....now where is my medication?
...sometimes I don't even know what day it is!
In fact.... I don't even know how I managed to help convict an internet paedophile last week, getting him 8 years in prison.....
....now where is my medication?
08 June 2003, 10:55 PM
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You must remember that there are hundreds of Police departments and Police officers can work in any of them. To tar all Police in such a general manner is like having a go at your plumber when your car breaks down.
Police will be called on to work at thousands of different scenarios varying from death messages to those who have lost a family member to dealing with car accidents. The list is almost endless.
I agree that motorists in general do seem to get a hard time from Police, but this is more due to the legislation that they are required by law to enforce than a desire to aggravate.
There are also sometimes slow response times to certain jobs, the 2 day wait for a burglary victim being not uncommon, but this is more often due to poor manning levels or management rather than a Police officer at the frontline wishing to increase the suffering and upset of a victim.
And with regards to Police not catching criminals for offences like burglary, it is very difficult for this to happen without the offender being caught at the scene or leaving fingerprints and because most burglaries are complete from entry to exit within 3 minutes at the longest this is quite hard to achieve as you have to bear in mind that it is usually longer than this for a phonecall to get through to the control room and a car being despatched, so Police are already on a loser.
Now I agree completely that the way this country is Policed sometimes leaves a lot to be desired, but much of this is due to the sentances given out by courts and the huge amount of red tape that needs to be dealt with to get anywhere at all.
There are ******* out there in the Police, but then there are in all jobs.......most of us are reasonable, educated people with a modicom of common sense.
I hope this has come across as a reasonable reply to this thread. I'm not trying to defend all Police officers actions as I'm fully aware that there are some bad decisions made out there. Just not by ALL of us.
Police will be called on to work at thousands of different scenarios varying from death messages to those who have lost a family member to dealing with car accidents. The list is almost endless.
I agree that motorists in general do seem to get a hard time from Police, but this is more due to the legislation that they are required by law to enforce than a desire to aggravate.
There are also sometimes slow response times to certain jobs, the 2 day wait for a burglary victim being not uncommon, but this is more often due to poor manning levels or management rather than a Police officer at the frontline wishing to increase the suffering and upset of a victim.
And with regards to Police not catching criminals for offences like burglary, it is very difficult for this to happen without the offender being caught at the scene or leaving fingerprints and because most burglaries are complete from entry to exit within 3 minutes at the longest this is quite hard to achieve as you have to bear in mind that it is usually longer than this for a phonecall to get through to the control room and a car being despatched, so Police are already on a loser.
Now I agree completely that the way this country is Policed sometimes leaves a lot to be desired, but much of this is due to the sentances given out by courts and the huge amount of red tape that needs to be dealt with to get anywhere at all.
There are ******* out there in the Police, but then there are in all jobs.......most of us are reasonable, educated people with a modicom of common sense.
I hope this has come across as a reasonable reply to this thread. I'm not trying to defend all Police officers actions as I'm fully aware that there are some bad decisions made out there. Just not by ALL of us.
09 June 2003, 12:18 AM
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Glad to hear that fatherpierre congratulations.........and i can tell you that ian is just about to start the long tiring route into the job with his PIRT in a couple of days.
Thanks for the reply ExPUG.
Thanks for the reply ExPUG.
09 June 2003, 12:32 AM
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Yes it is fatherpierre..............but you'll get there....and i wish you all the best.......been in 6 years now and havent regretted a moment of it. And most others would say the same. Theres a lot of us on here as it goes and i know they all enjoy it too. Burr, milly, Pauleds, NathanL and numerous others. They are all known by a lot of people and as far as im aware the only people who call us ******* are our girlfriends/wives.............
09 June 2003, 12:32 AM
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As Danbo has said for me, I have passed the initial paper sift, and have got the required security clearence and I have now got my PIRT this week, so I have been pretty (VERY) busy preparing for it, and I have also started the training for my fitness test as well.
I have had a lot of help from a few people in particular, they know who they are (Cheers Guys, when I pass there is a round of beer on me!).
I have had a lot of help from a few people in particular, they know who they are (Cheers Guys, when I pass there is a round of beer on me!).
09 June 2003, 12:38 AM
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Best of luck mate. Hope all goes well for you. I won't say it's easy cos everyone finds it different. A surreal day!
The fitness test was ok. Most of the people I did it with were convinced they would fail, but most got through it with ease.
I only did my PIRT about 4 months ago, so if you want to quiz me on it I'll wrack my brains for you and answer any questions (if I can remember!).
The fitness test was ok. Most of the people I did it with were convinced they would fail, but most got through it with ease.
I only did my PIRT about 4 months ago, so if you want to quiz me on it I'll wrack my brains for you and answer any questions (if I can remember!).
09 June 2003, 12:42 AM
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Have to agree with surreal.........was an odd day for me. I still remember it now and get the sweats!
Wish i had had as many people as i know now to help me through it!
I would take him up on the advice thing Ian! Probably changed a bit since i did it......
Wish i had had as many people as i know now to help me through it!
I would take him up on the advice thing Ian! Probably changed a bit since i did it......
09 June 2003, 08:52 AM
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"And with regards to Police not catching criminals for offences like burglary, it is very difficult for this to happen without the offender being caught at the scene or leaving fingerprints and because most burglaries are complete from entry to exit within 3 minutes at the longest this is quite hard to achieve as you have to bear in mind that it is usually longer than this for a phonecall to get through to the control room and a car being despatched, so Police are already on a loser."
Fek me - time we all gave up our jobs and became burglars then, as the police are clearly going to do sod all about it! They'll never know if there were prints at the scene or not if they don't turn up for 2 days (if at all).
I parked my car near a police station a couple of years ago, came back to see the back wing dented and my paint smeared down the side of a pick-up next to it where a workman was repairing the pavement. Naturally he denied anything to do with it. I went a got a (very reluctant copper) from round the corner who agreed it looked like the pick-up's fault and took paint samples.
I never heard anything from the police so I called repeatedly until eventually (about 8 weeks later after weeks of trying to get hold of him), I got hold of the copper in question - who told me they had decided it wasn't a crime and his senior officer hadn't wanted to spend the budget doing the paint tests. He then got extremely rude and shirty with me when I suggested the least he could have done would have been to give me a courtesy call and to please explain at what point damaging someone else's car isn't a crime!
Policing in this country is going to the dogs - and they can't blame it on budgets, you watch for all the militant coppers going the way of the firefighters, refusing to modernise their working practices..........
rant over!
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Fek me - time we all gave up our jobs and became burglars then, as the police are clearly going to do sod all about it! They'll never know if there were prints at the scene or not if they don't turn up for 2 days (if at all).
I parked my car near a police station a couple of years ago, came back to see the back wing dented and my paint smeared down the side of a pick-up next to it where a workman was repairing the pavement. Naturally he denied anything to do with it. I went a got a (very reluctant copper) from round the corner who agreed it looked like the pick-up's fault and took paint samples.
I never heard anything from the police so I called repeatedly until eventually (about 8 weeks later after weeks of trying to get hold of him), I got hold of the copper in question - who told me they had decided it wasn't a crime and his senior officer hadn't wanted to spend the budget doing the paint tests. He then got extremely rude and shirty with me when I suggested the least he could have done would have been to give me a courtesy call and to please explain at what point damaging someone else's car isn't a crime!
Policing in this country is going to the dogs - and they can't blame it on budgets, you watch for all the militant coppers going the way of the firefighters, refusing to modernise their working practices..........
rant over!
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09 June 2003, 08:54 AM
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"And with regards to Police not catching criminals for offences like burglary, it is very difficult for this to happen without the offender being caught at the scene or leaving fingerprints and because most burglaries are complete from entry to exit within 3 minutes at the longest this is quite hard to achieve as you have to bear in mind that it is usually longer than this for a phonecall to get through to the control room and a car being despatched, so Police are already on a loser."
Fek me - time we all gave up our jobs and became burglars then, as the police are clearly going to do sod all about it! They'll never know if there were prints at the scene or not if they don't turn up for 2 days (if at all).
I parked my car near a police station a couple of years ago, came back to see the back wing dented and my paint smeared down the side of a pick-up next to it where a workman was repairing the pavement. Naturally he denied anything to do with it. I went a got a (very reluctant copper) from round the corner who agreed it looked like the pick-up's fault and took paint samples.
I never heard anything from the police so I called repeatedly until eventually (about 8 weeks later after weeks of trying to get hold of him), I got hold of the copper in question - who told me they had decided it wasn't a crime and his senior officer hadn't wanted to spend the budget doing the paint tests. He then got extremely rude and shirty with me when I suggested the least he could have done would have been to give me a courtesy call and to please explain at what point damaging someone else's car isn't a crime!
Policing in this country is going to the dogs - and they can't blame it on budgets, you watch for all the militant coppers going the way of the firefighters, refusing to modernise their working practices..........
rant over!
Gordo
Fek me - time we all gave up our jobs and became burglars then, as the police are clearly going to do sod all about it! They'll never know if there were prints at the scene or not if they don't turn up for 2 days (if at all).
I parked my car near a police station a couple of years ago, came back to see the back wing dented and my paint smeared down the side of a pick-up next to it where a workman was repairing the pavement. Naturally he denied anything to do with it. I went a got a (very reluctant copper) from round the corner who agreed it looked like the pick-up's fault and took paint samples.
I never heard anything from the police so I called repeatedly until eventually (about 8 weeks later after weeks of trying to get hold of him), I got hold of the copper in question - who told me they had decided it wasn't a crime and his senior officer hadn't wanted to spend the budget doing the paint tests. He then got extremely rude and shirty with me when I suggested the least he could have done would have been to give me a courtesy call and to please explain at what point damaging someone else's car isn't a crime!
Policing in this country is going to the dogs - and they can't blame it on budgets, you watch for all the militant coppers going the way of the firefighters, refusing to modernise their working practices..........
rant over!
Gordo
09 June 2003, 09:17 AM
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awaiting a court appearance for 100 mph on a motorway in perfect conditions
09 June 2003, 09:22 AM
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Guess this shows how good our police service realy is.
Suppose if that was a traffic car I bet the samples would have been processed.
One thing which realy sticks in my mind was when a local shop was being held up, luckily they had a panic button, three hours later a PC turns up on a push bike. Now WTF use is that?
Daz.
Suppose if that was a traffic car I bet the samples would have been processed.
One thing which realy sticks in my mind was when a local shop was being held up, luckily they had a panic button, three hours later a PC turns up on a push bike. Now WTF use is that?
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09 June 2003, 07:42 PM
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There's NEVER perfect conditions for doing 100 MPH!! I have a duaghter who you could of easily killed travelling at those crazy triple figured speeds! Lunatic!
Unless your daughter* happened to be wandering around a motorway a mile from the nearest exit I assume she would have been perfectly safe. Ok so if I was driving at 70 mph everyone would be able to sleep at night as there would be no accidents on our motorways would there?
I regularly use motorways and regularly drive at 100 mph on them, only when I judge it to be 'safe' to do so. I would normally cruise at around 85 mph. And you try and drive on a motorway at 70 mph and see what happens.
Motorways are the safest highways in the UK and % wise deaths are a very small percentage. In fact speed is supposedly a single figure % wise in relation to all the other factors for deaths on Mways. A highly capabale car in level headed hands poses much less of a threat for a pillock who knows no danger driving a shed with bald tyres.
Theres some idiot I know who gets up his own **** about speed. He never goes above 55 mph on a motorway, and preaches about the dangers of speed. Think how many accidents that hes going to be in for.
Might as well do this "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" as you seem to like doing it.
Unless your daughter* happened to be wandering around a motorway a mile from the nearest exit I assume she would have been perfectly safe. Ok so if I was driving at 70 mph everyone would be able to sleep at night as there would be no accidents on our motorways would there?
I regularly use motorways and regularly drive at 100 mph on them, only when I judge it to be 'safe' to do so. I would normally cruise at around 85 mph. And you try and drive on a motorway at 70 mph and see what happens.
Motorways are the safest highways in the UK and % wise deaths are a very small percentage. In fact speed is supposedly a single figure % wise in relation to all the other factors for deaths on Mways. A highly capabale car in level headed hands poses much less of a threat for a pillock who knows no danger driving a shed with bald tyres.
Theres some idiot I know who gets up his own **** about speed. He never goes above 55 mph on a motorway, and preaches about the dangers of speed. Think how many accidents that hes going to be in for.
Might as well do this "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" as you seem to like doing it.
09 June 2003, 08:11 PM
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The Police cause 5% of all road deaths in this Country... parking on pavements isn't good but just as you can't 'pull them up' for not having MOTs' on their Vehicles or broken lights/indicators or submit to court video of appalling driving it will go unchanged so long as they are not subject to the law of C&U. All Police vehicles are exempt from things like 'real' MOTs' they being issued by the County or force Garage... 31 people died last year due to forces using vehicles which were defective... (these are all figures from the 'mafiosi' otherwise known as ACPO)
The burglary clear up rate relies of 'other incidents' being taken into consideration...
Let's face facts... the Average UK cop is useless... sorry to say that probably includes those who post here...
The 'service' is poor, as someone who had to find the burglar of his own house trust me it isn't that hard to do...
Yep... I am an advocate performance pay... just like in the States... if you are a fat lazy useless oaf... you fvcking starve... that way there will be a lot of very thin Coppers about who are hungry to do a good job... not a bunch of lard-ahses in Pandas/Jam Sandwiches with a prickish attitudes...
The burglary clear up rate relies of 'other incidents' being taken into consideration...
Let's face facts... the Average UK cop is useless... sorry to say that probably includes those who post here...
The 'service' is poor, as someone who had to find the burglar of his own house trust me it isn't that hard to do...
Yep... I am an advocate performance pay... just like in the States... if you are a fat lazy useless oaf... you fvcking starve... that way there will be a lot of very thin Coppers about who are hungry to do a good job... not a bunch of lard-ahses in Pandas/Jam Sandwiches with a prickish attitudes...
09 June 2003, 08:51 PM
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From Todays Daily Mirror:
Q What 999 emergency made the police park illegally on this busy road? A Raid on the doughnuts, of course Jun 9 2003
By Lorraine Fisher
A POLICE van parked illegally on a busy road just so officers could get their sandwiches and pastries from a bakery.
Our photographer snapped them at Saturday lunchtime in the same week a senior officer blasted his men for parking on a double yellow line while trapping speeding motorists.
The five officers pulled up half on the pavement just a car's length from traffic lights and right next to a clearway sign banning any parking.
Other motorists on accident blackspot Forest Road in Walthamstow, East London, had to swerve into the other lane to get past the van and traffic built up behind. One onlooker said: "What they did was dangerous.
"It's a notorious accident black spot - people are always having bumps and crashes.
"The police should know that and they should park more sensibly. If a member of the public did it, they'd be down on them like a ton of bricks. You'd have a parking ticket in no time."
Scotland Yard said: "You do know they are entitled to refreshment breaks, don't you?"
The AA said: "Police should be setting an example."
Somerset police chief Steve Mortimore reprimanded his staff last week for parking illegally to do speed checks.
09 June 2003, 09:38 PM
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Last year 142 deaths by accidents involving Police cars...
Prosecutions... none
The average Police driver is 163 times more likey to kill you than an ordinary road user... and despite being such a liability... when this guy does kill you or one of your family he will not face prosecution...
Prosecutions... none
The average Police driver is 163 times more likey to kill you than an ordinary road user... and despite being such a liability... when this guy does kill you or one of your family he will not face prosecution...
09 June 2003, 09:56 PM
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The Police never 'cause' the accident... you should know that... it is always 'other people' that cause the accident... if any other driver is involved then they always blame him... you should have seen the fuss they made when they killed the guy at the Bone Lane crossing here in Newbury a while back... said he was drunk and or on drugs the whole works... the Police driver jumped the lights and killed the guy... he had not been drinking and had not a drug in him... it took 3 years for the 'retraction' of the fabrication given to the Newbury Weekly News...
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Sadly the Police are just following guidelines from the government, that is why we receive a poor service, the funding is poor so what do you expect.
If you, within your own job, were to offered an incentive to earn more funding (wages) would you turn it down?
Sadly the funding incentive from the government to the UK Police authorities is to target the motorist, we should not blame the Police, but the bloody awful Government running this country.
Comparisons can also be made with the Fire and Ambulance service, look at the lack of funding they get, and we have to congratulate them for providing the best possible service from cash starved organisations.
If you, within your own job, were to offered an incentive to earn more funding (wages) would you turn it down?
Sadly the funding incentive from the government to the UK Police authorities is to target the motorist, we should not blame the Police, but the bloody awful Government running this country.
Comparisons can also be made with the Fire and Ambulance service, look at the lack of funding they get, and we have to congratulate them for providing the best possible service from cash starved organisations.