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26 June 2003, 12:50 PM
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now you know where he works, follow him home and plant a bomb under his car....when he wakes up in the morning..and goes to start his car BOOM!.....
P.S i know a guy who sells cheap car bombs!
P.S i know a guy who sells cheap car bombs!
26 June 2003, 01:05 PM
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Alcazar,
Unfortunately, its Parliament that pass Laws and define where the police have jurisdiction (public place/private place etc), and not the police themselves, so I suppose you could say that it is the Government who are having their cake and eating it.
Unfortunately, its Parliament that pass Laws and define where the police have jurisdiction (public place/private place etc), and not the police themselves, so I suppose you could say that it is the Government who are having their cake and eating it.
26 June 2003, 02:41 PM
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no need to burn his motor - just attach a (dead) fish to the top of one of his exhaust boxes and sleep easy knowing his car will start stinking
p.s. make sure there's no cctv about
[Edited by juan - 6/26/2003 2:43:11 PM]
p.s. make sure there's no cctv about
[Edited by juan - 6/26/2003 2:43:11 PM]
27 June 2003, 09:43 AM
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Any one live near or knows where
### Purtery Ave,
Dagenham
Essex
RM9 4**
Got some Cash now to hire a hitman
Got some Cash now to hire a hand cutter offer
Got some Cash now to hire a plastic explosive expert
Got some Cash now to hire a fish monger
Got some Cash now to hire a knee smasher
Got some Cash now to hire a Can't think of any one else
Adam
Don't forget my name isn't Adam and i don't drive a scooby and i know nothing!
If money is tight then have a
on me
[Edited by rb5037 - 6/27/2003 12:14:58 PM]
### Purtery Ave,
Dagenham
Essex
RM9 4**
Got some Cash now to hire a hitman
Got some Cash now to hire a hand cutter offer
Got some Cash now to hire a plastic explosive expert
Got some Cash now to hire a fish monger
Got some Cash now to hire a knee smasher
Got some Cash now to hire a Can't think of any one else
Adam
Don't forget my name isn't Adam and i don't drive a scooby and i know nothing!
If money is tight then have a
on me[Edited by rb5037 - 6/27/2003 12:14:58 PM]
27 June 2003, 12:08 PM
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<<<Unfortunately, its Parliament that pass Laws and define where the police have jurisdiction (public place/private place etc), and not the police themselves, so I suppose you could say that it is the Government who are having their cake and eating it.>>
Yeah, I see where you're coming from mate, but I still say its WRONG that they can't do owt if someone breaks one law in a carpark,(leaving the scene of an accident), and they CAN do something if someone breaks another,(public disorder),[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Rather like a mate of mine who was hit ny an uninsured driver, and the local plod, who didn't attend, refused to do anything, told him to take out a private prosecution. 3 weeks later, they're stopping folk for document checks, and issuing fines etc to those without insurance! Now it either IS against the law, or it ISN'T.....you CAN'T have it both ways[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Alcazar
Yeah, I see where you're coming from mate, but I still say its WRONG that they can't do owt if someone breaks one law in a carpark,(leaving the scene of an accident), and they CAN do something if someone breaks another,(public disorder),[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Rather like a mate of mine who was hit ny an uninsured driver, and the local plod, who didn't attend, refused to do anything, told him to take out a private prosecution. 3 weeks later, they're stopping folk for document checks, and issuing fines etc to those without insurance! Now it either IS against the law, or it ISN'T.....you CAN'T have it both ways[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
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27 June 2003, 02:03 PM
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I can understand your gripes Alcazar, but you must appreciate that there is Criminal Law (police work) and Civil Law (private prosecution).
When the Road Traffic Act was introduced by the Government in 1988, it was laid out at the time what exactly a "public place" is.
Unfortunately, certain types of private car park do not come under the "public place" heading, meaning that the act may not necessarily constitute an offence. Although the very same act on a public road, would!
This is something that the police have absolutely NO power over. Parliament introduce Laws and Statutes and the Police police them.
An example of private place/public place would be this.....
Scenario 1.
You have a private driveway in your garden, which is part of your grounds and you own it. You look out of your house and there is a car parked on your drive, blocking your car in.
As the offending vehicle is on "private" ground, the Police have NO RIGHTS to move it, or charge the driver with an offence. (due to the fact that the obstruction is not in a "public place" as defined by statute)
The Police are called, but they can only advise the complainer that they have no power to act, and advise them of their possible courses of action. Police are seen as @rseholes who don't want to help!!!
Scenario 2.
You have a private driveway in your garden, which is part of your grounds and you own it. You look out of your house and there is a car parked on the road, directly outside, blocking your car in.
As the offending vehicle is in a "public place", the Police have power to have the vehicle removed and the owner charged. (Allow vehicle to cause an un-necessary obstruction)
The Police are called, the offending car is towed away, and the owner/driver traced and charged with the above offence. Police are great guys, helping the poor guy out!
Now, the scenarios are VERY similar, the dirrerences being, where statute actually allow the police to have powers to deal with offences.
I hope this makes things a bit clearer.
[Edited by talizman - 6/27/2003 2:05:49 PM]
When the Road Traffic Act was introduced by the Government in 1988, it was laid out at the time what exactly a "public place" is.
Unfortunately, certain types of private car park do not come under the "public place" heading, meaning that the act may not necessarily constitute an offence. Although the very same act on a public road, would!
This is something that the police have absolutely NO power over. Parliament introduce Laws and Statutes and the Police police them.
An example of private place/public place would be this.....
Scenario 1.
You have a private driveway in your garden, which is part of your grounds and you own it. You look out of your house and there is a car parked on your drive, blocking your car in.
As the offending vehicle is on "private" ground, the Police have NO RIGHTS to move it, or charge the driver with an offence. (due to the fact that the obstruction is not in a "public place" as defined by statute)
The Police are called, but they can only advise the complainer that they have no power to act, and advise them of their possible courses of action. Police are seen as @rseholes who don't want to help!!!
Scenario 2.
You have a private driveway in your garden, which is part of your grounds and you own it. You look out of your house and there is a car parked on the road, directly outside, blocking your car in.
As the offending vehicle is in a "public place", the Police have power to have the vehicle removed and the owner charged. (Allow vehicle to cause an un-necessary obstruction)
The Police are called, the offending car is towed away, and the owner/driver traced and charged with the above offence. Police are great guys, helping the poor guy out!
Now, the scenarios are VERY similar, the dirrerences being, where statute actually allow the police to have powers to deal with offences.
I hope this makes things a bit clearer.
[Edited by talizman - 6/27/2003 2:05:49 PM]
27 June 2003, 03:34 PM
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Pah!! the law i sh*t it! what ever happened 2 do un 2 others as they would do un 2 u! so rb5 get your self round there and learn him a lesson!!!!!!
[Edited by TON3 - 6/27/2003 3:47:09 PM]
[Edited by TON3 - 6/27/2003 3:47:09 PM]
27 June 2003, 04:26 PM
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Well, OK talizman, BUT: does that mean that I'm free to do what I want when i want in my own front/back garden/house? I think not. Which is my point entirely.....whether it be road traffic act, or public order act, SOME police forces will act, and others won't, and an even bigger BUT: try doing something about it yourself, and see the dibble appear out of cracks in the pavenment, suddenly remembering laws that they hadn't thought of before, and arrest YOU!!
Here's an example for you:
About 10 years ago, there were two nutters racing up and down the public road at the back of our house in XR3i type things. I phoned up the local boys in blue to complain, pointing out that they were a public nuisance, and that, being as there were kids playing nearby, an accident was likely. I was told that there weas no-one available to deal with it, but that someone could come in about 40 minutes.
I told them not to bother, but that I would deal with it myself. They got halfwway to telling me I wasn't allowed to do that, before I hung up.
I then went out of my house, got in my car, and reversed it out of my drive across the road, effectively blocking it. I then "stalled it" and got out, raising the bonnet to see what was "wrong", and waited for the next time the prats came by.
Imagine my surprise, and annoyance, when the prats that came by were in a squad car, come to see what I was going to do?
See what I mean? Cake and eat it! And they wonder why the majority of people in this country find it hard to support them:
Alcazar
Here's an example for you:
About 10 years ago, there were two nutters racing up and down the public road at the back of our house in XR3i type things. I phoned up the local boys in blue to complain, pointing out that they were a public nuisance, and that, being as there were kids playing nearby, an accident was likely. I was told that there weas no-one available to deal with it, but that someone could come in about 40 minutes.
I told them not to bother, but that I would deal with it myself. They got halfwway to telling me I wasn't allowed to do that, before I hung up.
I then went out of my house, got in my car, and reversed it out of my drive across the road, effectively blocking it. I then "stalled it" and got out, raising the bonnet to see what was "wrong", and waited for the next time the prats came by.
Imagine my surprise, and annoyance, when the prats that came by were in a squad car, come to see what I was going to do?
See what I mean? Cake and eat it! And they wonder why the majority of people in this country find it hard to support them
:Alcazar
27 June 2003, 04:45 PM
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Just for your info peeps and contrary to what smiler thought you can request CCTV footage from any Camera recording device that may have captured you or your property on Film. This is law under the data protection act..
If you walk past Dixons in the high street for example and want to see yourself going past you can legally go in to the shop and ask them to supply you with that footage. As with any Camera anywhere.
Worth remembering next time you find your motor damaged or even gone. If you see any Camera anywhere nearby that may help get in there and demand the footage.
It may take a week as they have time to process your request but you will get it...
Use the ruling..
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27 June 2003, 04:47 PM
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Alcazar,
I find it unfair that you see fit to judge all Cops, by your bad experience some 10 years ago......
I think we should all be mature enough NEVER to generalise.
In answer to your question,
"Am I free to do what I want when i want in my own front/back garden/house?"
There is no definitive answer to your question, as like everything else, it depends on the SPECIFIC circumstances, however if you wish to put any scenario to me, I'll certainly give my opinion.
It depends on what you mean by "what I want when I want"??
If it is something that constitutes a danger to the public, a danger to yourself, a nuisance etc then no, you are not free. It is hard to answer you without a specific example.
Put it this way, you can run around your living room waving a machete until you are blue in the face and no one will do anything. Do it in the street however, and your *** will land in jail.
You can do do-nuts, handbrake turns, burn-outs in your private grounds, but do them on the high street and again, you'll be in bother.
For the police to act, they must have Power, and cannot do anything without it.
As for your XR3i example.
Have you heard the joke about the guy who phones up about his shed having been broken into? He is told there is no police available at the minute to attend. He calls back later and is told the same. This goes on and on, so he gets pi$$ed off, and calls again. This time he tells them that he has killed the guy he caught breaking into his shed. Within 2 mins there are cops everywhere.
My point? Every complaint and call to the Police is screened and prioritised. Depending on the urgency of your needs, you will be told how long it'll be before the police attend. Your case of the lads racing in the street must have taken back seat to a more "serious" incident elsewhere. However, when you told them you were going to "deal with it", your incident suddenly became much more serious and hence a much higher priority!!
In an ideal world, if the Government would give more funding to Law and Order then Police forces might not be so under staffed and have more police on the streets to deal with EVERY call as though it were urgent, regardless. Alas, this is not the case, how often do you see a plod walking down your street? Doesn't happen any more, there are not enough cops on the street. Bottom line.
Cheers
Talizman
I find it unfair that you see fit to judge all Cops, by your bad experience some 10 years ago......
I think we should all be mature enough NEVER to generalise.
In answer to your question,
"Am I free to do what I want when i want in my own front/back garden/house?"
There is no definitive answer to your question, as like everything else, it depends on the SPECIFIC circumstances, however if you wish to put any scenario to me, I'll certainly give my opinion.
It depends on what you mean by "what I want when I want"??
If it is something that constitutes a danger to the public, a danger to yourself, a nuisance etc then no, you are not free. It is hard to answer you without a specific example.
Put it this way, you can run around your living room waving a machete until you are blue in the face and no one will do anything. Do it in the street however, and your *** will land in jail.
You can do do-nuts, handbrake turns, burn-outs in your private grounds, but do them on the high street and again, you'll be in bother.
For the police to act, they must have Power, and cannot do anything without it.
As for your XR3i example.
Have you heard the joke about the guy who phones up about his shed having been broken into? He is told there is no police available at the minute to attend. He calls back later and is told the same. This goes on and on, so he gets pi$$ed off, and calls again. This time he tells them that he has killed the guy he caught breaking into his shed. Within 2 mins there are cops everywhere.
My point? Every complaint and call to the Police is screened and prioritised. Depending on the urgency of your needs, you will be told how long it'll be before the police attend. Your case of the lads racing in the street must have taken back seat to a more "serious" incident elsewhere. However, when you told them you were going to "deal with it", your incident suddenly became much more serious and hence a much higher priority!!
In an ideal world, if the Government would give more funding to Law and Order then Police forces might not be so under staffed and have more police on the streets to deal with EVERY call as though it were urgent, regardless. Alas, this is not the case, how often do you see a plod walking down your street? Doesn't happen any more, there are not enough cops on the street. Bottom line.
Cheers
Talizman
27 June 2003, 06:40 PM
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Talizman: if you re-read some of my previous posts, you'll see that I don't generalise, in fact I did say "some police forces":
I do feel that the police ARE losing public support faster than ever at the moment, and I don't think it's entirely up to the public to help them regain it. Yes, we voted these idiots in, but SOME chief constables have been playing at policing for too long, while tacitly supporting government policy, they're raking it in.
Call me cynical, but I find it hard to accept your slant on my story: Prioritising? More like dead easy to stop one bloke doing something daft, much harder to stop two tearaways in high powered cars! Even if it WAS prioritising, who was likely to do the most damage? Them, I'd think!:
Did you see the photo I posted out of our local paper?
The police sign proudly proclaims "1192 caught speeding", while some wag has produced another similar sign ,and posted it below....it says "0 burglars caught".:
Says it all, doesn't it?
Cheers,
Alcazar
:I do feel that the police ARE losing public support faster than ever at the moment, and I don't think it's entirely up to the public to help them regain it. Yes, we voted these idiots in, but SOME chief constables have been playing at policing for too long, while tacitly supporting government policy, they're raking it in.
Call me cynical, but I find it hard to accept your slant on my story
: Prioritising? More like dead easy to stop one bloke doing something daft, much harder to stop two tearaways in high powered cars! Even if it WAS prioritising, who was likely to do the most damage? Them, I'd think!:Did you see the photo I posted out of our local paper?
The police sign proudly proclaims "1192 caught speeding", while some wag has produced another similar sign ,and posted it below....it says "0 burglars caught".
:Says it all, doesn't it?
Cheers,
Alcazar
27 June 2003, 07:31 PM
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Alcazar,
When I mentioned your generalising, I wasn't referring to your previous submissions on the board, merely the having their cake comment.
quote -: "is this another case of the cops having their cake and eating it?"
Not all Cops want to have it and eat it.
With regards to my prioritising point, you said
"Call me cynical, but I find it hard to accept your slant on my story"
It isn't a slant mate, it is fact, based on experience, first hand! You don't mind if I call you Cynical do you?
You asked......
"who was likely to do the most damage? Them, I'd think!". Referring to yourself and the tearaways.
In my experience, the person who threatens to "deal with it" himself, is MUCH more likely to do more damage.
I'm dissapointed that you feel that..
"majority of people in this country find it hard to support the police"
Its unfortunate that you feel this way, but I disagree. The reason? Day in, day out I speak to lots of people who wholeheartedly support the police. Obviously, if yourself and your friends and family and social circle feel a certain way, then it is only natural that you are going to think that this is the general consencus but believe me, it isn't.
And finally, the speeding figures etc. I'm not going to stand here preaching about road safety and driving sensibly.... I'm a bloody Scooby owner!
but, there are thousands of road deaths each year so I suppose its an attempt to reassure the public that action is being taken to reduce these deaths.
[Edited by talizman - 6/27/2003 7:33:42 PM]
[Edited by talizman - 6/27/2003 7:34:55 PM]
When I mentioned your generalising, I wasn't referring to your previous submissions on the board, merely the having their cake comment.
quote -: "is this another case of the cops having their cake and eating it?"
Not all Cops want to have it and eat it.
With regards to my prioritising point, you said
"Call me cynical, but I find it hard to accept your slant on my story"
It isn't a slant mate, it is fact, based on experience, first hand!
You don't mind if I call you Cynical do you? You asked......
"who was likely to do the most damage? Them, I'd think!". Referring to yourself and the tearaways.
In my experience, the person who threatens to "deal with it" himself, is MUCH more likely to do more damage.
I'm dissapointed that you feel that..
"majority of people in this country find it hard to support the police"
Its unfortunate that you feel this way, but I disagree. The reason? Day in, day out I speak to lots of people who wholeheartedly support the police. Obviously, if yourself and your friends and family and social circle feel a certain way, then it is only natural that you are going to think that this is the general consencus but believe me, it isn't.
And finally, the speeding figures etc. I'm not going to stand here preaching about road safety and driving sensibly.... I'm a bloody Scooby owner!
but, there are thousands of road deaths each year so I suppose its an attempt to reassure the public that action is being taken to reduce these deaths.
[Edited by talizman - 6/27/2003 7:33:42 PM]
[Edited by talizman - 6/27/2003 7:34:55 PM]
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I hope that you seized the tape of the incident.
Mail me if you need any advice or ring me..07850-667951.
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[Edited by Stringpants - 6/9/2003 11:22:03 PM]
Mail me if you need any advice or ring me..07850-667951.
Russ
[Edited by Stringpants - 6/9/2003 11:22:03 PM]
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Happened to me last year in a station carpark with no CCTV. Lovely dent in the driver side front wing, but 'Dent Master' (down in Henfield Sussex) got it out pretty well.
Midland Impreza quoted me just over £200 for a painted and fitted new wing. Not bad I thought, but not done it yet.
J.
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