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Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

NotoriousREV you have hit the nail on the head in your post on page 1, Nacro said about there being more deaths on German Autobahns, this maybe true but the germans really are crap drivers, they are tought to be extremely aggressive in their driving lessons (ask Cheeseboy about this). They are very singular and believe them selves to be the only ones on the road, changing lanes without looking and not indicating due to the fact that they have just as much right to be in whichever lane they want as the next person, alot of them will see a car hooning down the fast lane and pull out just to slow it down as they hate being overtaken.

I was racing (yes RACING) a BMW down the autobahn near Hockenheim at 240kmh when a micra pulled out in front of me but fortunately for all concerned I had newish brakes on my car and slowed down but didn't lock up then dick wad saw me and pulled back in an let me go past but pulled out again in front of the BMW, yes speed does kill but so do ill educated and selfish drivers. It comes don to jelousy in the end, if people with slow cars learnt to accept that there are fast cars out there and had a bit more courtesy and patients then there would be far less high speed accidents.

Flame suit well and truelly fitted.

carl

Did Ralf Schumacher learn to drive somewhere other than Germany then?

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

Carl, there was more to the statement than that !!!

but going on a bit more a german would rather crash his car than give up his right of way, there is a rule here that you give way to cars coming from the right ie side roads, if you are coming out of a side road nto a main road and the car on the main road hits you it is their fault, even if you pulled out in front of them, for the split second it takes to stop look and wait for a car to go past a german is willing to have his car written off, and they are taught this during driving school. Cheesboy ot into all sorts of arguments with his german instructor because he would not pull out in front of a moving car.

NACRO

very true wurzle


there is a saying " a german driver would die happy knowing he had right of way".

Still I always found they got out of my way on the autobahn- lights on, indicator on doing "a fair speed". Only problem was moving over fast enough every time an AMG merc wanted to overtake me!

Apparition

To get back to the original question..... wasn't it a maclaren thingy on a road in the wilds of Essex or south Yorks ? I know he was travelling extremely fast. And it was about 5 years ago.

NACRO

the incident you're referring to was an alleged drug dealer doing a 7 car overtake on a country road- he was 3 up in his car and I saw pictures of the aftermath- just bits of carbon fibre all over the place- not nice. All 3 were killed when it hit a tree.

carl

Surely the one in Essex (Macca F1 on the A12) was the bloke who owned/set up Micromuse (they of the Netcool/Omnibus)?

NACRO

Yes I think it was and I read a report in some hackrag(probably the sun or times or other murdoch paper)that he was being investigated for alleged involvment with a drug ring-while also being an IT entrepreneur.

ADP

Good thread this one, the guy in Essex was indeed 3 up in a Macecer F1 - in the wet and it was flipped into a field, not far from one of my mates houses, I beleive all were killed? it was estimated to be a 150mph crash I think, sorry the story is a bit sketchy now but I remember it was a very big story in the area at the time (the car was on loan/test drive)

found it:



Millionaire crash victim faced drugs charge


A millionaire businessman facing trial on a drugs charge was one of three people killed when a £640,000 McLaren F1 sports car crashed into a tree.
Christopher Dawes, 39, died when the 212mph limited edition car went out of control near Great Dunmow in Essex.

The computer millionaire was arrested on Boxing Day after a drugs raid resulted in the first crack cocaine seizure in the Channel Islands.

Court appearance

He was due to appear in court later this year charged with possession of a Class A drug.

Police said the crash happened as the car was travelling towards Braintree on the A120 after a heavy downpour on Sunday afternoon. No other vehicles were involved.

The burgundy sports car was split in two by the force of the collision, and burst into flames.

It is understood that the identities of the victims, still to be officially confirmed by police, were only established using medical records.

Properties on Alderney

Mr Dawes owned a number of properties on Alderney, including the Chez Andre Hotel and the Devereux House Hotel.

His legal adviser Paul Elliott, speaking from the Chez Andre Hotel on Sunday night, said: "I can confirm that Mr Dawes is dead after a car crash earlier today.

"All his staff and contractors are obviously only just hearing the news and will not be saying anything during the grieving process."

Mr Dawes was held in a joint police and customs operation on December 26. His jet and helicopter, each worth £3m, were impounded and stripped.

Career began in Australia

After a court appearance on the neighbouring island of Guernsey he was released from custody on the Channel Islands' equivalent of bail. His bail conditions allowed him to visit the mainland.

Mr Dawes's career began as an amusement arcade mechanic in Australia, before he moved into the computer games industry.

He stated his first firm upgrading Macintosh computers while studying for an electronics engineering degree.

Loved the island

In 1989, after moving to London, he launched Micromuse which made him a fortune estimated at up to £100m after just nine years.

It operated in 50 countries, and its customers included telecom companies and the British and American Governments.

Last year, Mr Dawes resigned as chief executive and cashed in £24m of shares.

The Chez Andre Hotel's reception manager Amanda Bowler said: "He was a very, very nice chap, absolutely charming.

"He wanted to really improve the hotel and he obviously loved the island."

MooseRacer

MyCroft, have you ever considered politics as a career? I await the answer to the question you originally posed, content in the knowledge that, in isolation, the figure is meaningless.

you carry on radracing at 170+ matey

Leslie

Nacro,

The point I made about 17 year olds in my post was "with adequate education". I do agree that without guidance they do tend to be risk takers but that can be said for older drivers too. They didn't do that in airoplanes though when they realised the risks involved.

You did not really answer the question about 65 year olds. I said a person of that age has not lost so much of his faculties as you are assumimg. 70 year olds are already covered by a doctor's recommendation and that is good enough I believe. Elderly people drive according to their abilities, if that is not fast enough for us then we should apply a bit of patience. They have a right to drive carefully, rather than we have to drive to drive very fast.

Les

super_si

Agree with some of the comments.

my friend was 20 ish i was 16.

The dummy thought it was amusing to drive 100 down a country lane, went of a bump in the road rally style says "doing 97 now mate"

That was it blacked out, woke up with car in smoke. Crawled out, Hes uprooted a telegraph pole :!

Not nice