NACRO

chip said Quote:" "So why is it fair then that the poofs get the entitlement immediately"

Shame on you!

You might not agree with their lifestyle but do you need to use abusive names like that? This is not a case of being politically correct, it's about having some manners and not using abusive names for a group of people.

Why do you feel so strongly about them that you feel the need to abuse them?

tiggers

Sorry people, but I've read this thread several times and I've got to say to those of you who are comparing homosexuality to incest, paedophilia etc. you're in very dangerous territory in my opinion.

As has already been mentioned incest is outlawed for very good scientific reasons and paedophilia is hardly sex between consenting adults is it now.

Contrast that to sex between consenting people of the same sex and there is obviously a world of difference - if you really don't think that then in my opinion you need some help.

Now if two consenting adults happen to love each other why shouldn't they be able to get married regardless of their sexual orientation. Marriage is a commitment between two people and should not be confused with family values etc. Plenty of families exist where the partents aren't married and plenty of marriages exist where the couple don't have children.

I really can't see what the problem is except that a lot of people like to think of homosexuals as "not normal" whatever that means.

One thing this thread has done is made me realise that homophobia is alive and well more's the pity. Oh well maybe you'll open your minds one day - I'm not holding my breath though.

Regards,

tiggers.

TurboKitty

Oh for goodness sake, do you really think that giving gay people the right to get married and have the same benefit as married straight people is actually going to turn people gay?!

Gay people are gay. They do not have "normal" family relationships in any case, so how on earth will this change anything? All it does is even up the rights between two groups that already exist. Giving these proposed rights to gay people does not harm anyone else or negate any of their rights, so I really don't see a problem.

Edited to add the quote.

[Edited by TurboKitty - 6/29/2003 8:09:29 PM]

TurboKitty

If the couple co-habiting want the benefits, they can get married, so I ask again, where is the unfairness? That married gays and straights get the same rights seems perfectly fair to me, yes.

If straight people get married they get the benefits straight away. If gay people get "married" they also get the benefits straight away. Neither group get the benefits if they don't get married. So how is it unfair?!

Chip

TK,
Why didnt you answer my question then? Re: your profile

Chip

Chip

Nacro,
I hope your havin a laugh here.Have I really upset you that much. If so you need to get a life.
Whats wrong with the word poof anyway. After all its in the dictionary.

Chip.

south-star

I was going to reply but Nacro spoke for me...


Gay people are "normal"- sorry to burst your bubble but homophobia is soooooo last century.

Seriously I don't care what people do regardless of their sexual orientation. If they want to get married that would have as much validity for me as heterosexual people getting wed.

Let them get on with their lives and get on with your own.

(Cut and paste is a lot easier,quicker and you can blame other poeple for bad spelling...)

robski

I really struggle to see why two people should have any more or any less rights because of sexual orientation than any two others who have shown the same level of commitment.

Can someone who opposes this reply very clearly to the above statement.

Normal / abnormal etc ........ rubbish

Two people who want to show a commitment to each other. Yes they absolutely SHOULD have more rights than 2 people who just choose to live together even if they are different sex.

Someone said that straight married people are becoming the minority......absolutely right, because couple now deem it ok not to get married.......ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with gays at all, but probably that they are too weak to actually show the commitment themselves and get married

NACRO

You haven't upset me at all Chip- no offence taken on my part. I was just pointing out if you use offensive terms for minority groups people get offended. Those type of names for black people, asian folk etc are regarded as offensive while being in the dictionary. I was just pointing out that being rude and offensive is firstly out of order and secondly serves to cheapen your argument.
I can't understand why saying live and let live somehow means you are being politically correct. Just let them get on with their lives and I'm sure they would be only too happy to let you get on with yours.

south-star

There are also many forms of non married co-habitation.

My dad lives with a woman for three days a week and somewhere else for the other four.He wants all his assets to go to us kids and not to his g/f.

TurboKitty

Chip, what question about my profile? I wasn't aware you'd asked one.

If you mean why does my profile say what it does, well, it's not actually all that interesting but if you must know...

It dates back to a photo of Amen Corner wearing a strap-on that I photoshopped and which was posted in Muppets. My profile at that time said "From: Amen Corner's lap", which was based on my name being Kitty. He pointed out that a photoshopped photo of him wearing a strap-on made my profile funny, so I changed it to what it now reads. The threads are all still there in Muppets if you can be bothered to find them. If you check Amen Corner's profile, you'll find it says, "Making TurboKitty purr".

So now you know.

Now will you, (can you), explain what the heck you are going on about with this unfairness thing?

To recap both homosexual and heterosexual couples get benefits if they are married. Neither homosexual nor heterosexual couples get benefits if they are not married, so where is the inequality and the unfairness?

Chip

Nacro,
Whilst these names may be offensive to some to others they are not.
I grew up with gollywogs and the TV prog Love thy neighbour.Just because I laughed at it and played with the gollies doesnt mean Im rascist.

Chip.

Welshman

Well said Chip, Call a spade a spade I say.

Wm (not a rascist, honest. Just someone who thinks the P.C. brigade have taken over)

robski

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[Edited by Josh L - 6/29/2003 9:11:10 PM]

Chip

TK
I answered previously.

And no I wont be looking for your previous posts.

Chip.

Chip

My other thread has been locked. Why. Surely if its OK to be gay then why is it not OK to tell people.

Chip.

south-star

Over zealous moderation i think chip.

It is available to you though....it called getting married.

[Edited by south-star - 6/29/2003 9:16:13 PM]

NACRO

I remember the gollywogs, love thy neighbour and all that stuff too. Personally it doesn't offend me, neither does what you said before. But it is rude and some people could be offended by it as it is regarded as an insult. Why use it if that's the case?

It's not a case of being politically correct its about getting on with people and treating them with respect even if you don't agree with them.

A lot of Welsh people get offended when the English racially stereotype them and I can understand why.

TurboKitty

Chip, you haven't answered. You are saying that married homosexuals should not have rights that co-habiting heterosexuals do not have. That's not comparing like with like.

Why should co-habiting couples get the same benefits as married people when they have made no commitment to each other?

Homosexual couples getting "married" are making the same commitment to each other that heterosexual couples make, so why should they not get the same benefits?

NACRO

I second the over jealous moderator comment. Just because we are disagreeing doesn't mean we can't have the debate or a sk an innocent question.

TurboKitty

I think the mods were 100% right to lock the sexual orientation thread. Given the strength of anti-gay feeling on here today, it's very unlikely that anyone would admit to being gay and the thread will just turn into another gay-bashing, 'it's not natural, it's not right' thread.

Total support for the mods from me.

Josh L

Forgive me if I'm wrong Chip, but this is Scoobynet, not a sexual orientation workshop.

A thread like that was not going to encourage gays to 'come out' it's only going to encourage all straight people to profess their 'normality' and encourage the bigots to have their say along the way.

The level of Racism, Xenophobia and Bigotry shown on Scoobynet over the past few months has been frightening, and as I long as I'm in a position to edit such comments I will.If I hadn't lost my ADSL whilst I've been moving house, a hell of a lot more would have gone.

The sooner some of you people adopt more of a live and let live attitude, the sooner Scoobynet will start to revert to the kind of friendly open board it always used to be.

Josh

TurboKitty

Well said south-star. Maybe he'll get it now.

TurboKitty

And well said Josh.

I've found the level of homophobia and hatred shown on here today quite sickening.

south-star

The level of Racism, Xenophobia and Bigotry shown on Scoobynet over the past few months has been frightening, and as I long as I'm in a position to edit such comments I will.If I hadn't lost my ADSL whilst I've been moving house, a hell of a lot more would have gone.


Scoobynet only reflects real life i'm afraid.

turboman786

Well Turbo Kitty, get used to it , as people have sadly been silenced by this PC crap. Let people have their say. You may find my opinions distasteful and intolerant, just as I find yours twisted and depraved.

PC does no good for society. Its a load of bollox invented to let 'minority' groups get one over the majority. It stinks.

I am not white. I know what prejudice is. But Id much rather parties like the BNP exist and speak out against me, than people hold silent their thoughts. Its good to know where you stand. If you dont like the attitude......the old adage of no-ones forcing you to read this thread stands.

Call a spade a spade.

As for continuing my point with you I see very little point, as you are clearly so liberal and broad minded that you will be unable to comprehend my biggoted anti-sodomite thoughts.

TurboKitty

I'd say that ScoobyNet represents certain groups much more heavily than real-life.

[Edited by TurboKitty - 6/29/2003 9:32:06 PM]

TurboKitty

turboman786, this is not about being PC. This is out and out homophobia and hate. It's about fear, lack of understanding and intolerance of anyone who is not the same as you are.

Edit:

I agree there's no point to it, besides, given the opinions you've expressed on here, I have little interest in hearing more.

[Edited by TurboKitty - 6/29/2003 9:38:18 PM]

turboman786

Turbo Kitty...I dont hate sodomites but I hate their practice as it perverse and depraved. Anyone who thinks that sticking your *** up another man's **** is natural or normal is tapped in the head. Ohh sorry am I being homophobic again.

TurboKitty

Yep.