damian666

Please read my later post regarding the forgery of DNA/Fingerprints/Iris scanning. That is the difficult part, and the part that identifies us. I am making an assumption (probs a bad idea) that the data on the card will be verified against a central database (like a credit card) when used as ID. Therefore, cloning or forging a card would be even harder as the data on the smart chip would be different to that stored in the central database.

What you are proposing therefore is:

1. Forging the card itself
2. Replicating the data against a bank/credit card/any other database
3. Replicating the data against a central database managed by the government
4. Convincing another person that you are who you say you are - perhaps with more ID?

Impossible?!

Fraud will almost always occur, it just needs to be ******* difficult.

Damian

Jye

Who care if it stops frauds (which it wont), this arsehole government will just find something else to squander our money on.

I get along just fine without an ID card ATM Blunkett, cheers m8 but stick it up your ****.

damian666

Jye, although your opinions are your opinions, I am gonna do a Mycroft now, and ask just what does that contribute to the discussion?

I think if we avoid the mass individual (and indeed group) hysteria about this idea, it will be clear its a good idea. Just saying NIMBY does not justify why its a bad idea.

Are you a criminal? What IS your objection to this? Is it cos its £40? What if it was free? Do not take my 'criminal' comment as a slight - I dont mean to say you are a criminal. I am just wondering about your objections.

Damian

krankyd

>>Replicating the data against a central database managed by the government

You trust the government to keep secure personal data?

Have you any idea how *bad* the government are at IT projects? They have always been horrendous things, full of more holes than Jeffrey archer's alibi.(SP?)

>>Please read my later post regarding the forgery of DNA/Fingerprints/Iris scanning

Do you know how much data will need to be collected to get a verifiable DNA sample? You think this will fit on a credit-card chip?

I don't see why I should have to prove who I am to anyone. I haven't done anything wrong (well, not in the last few years that is ) and I'll be dammed if I'm gonna be forced to carry identification (that I have to pay for) just so the police can say "it's OK, he's a CITIZEN".....

sounds like a police state to me..

damian666

Why does it need to be secure? You can go look at anyones birth certificate etc, down at Somerset house (i think!!) I dont think the card will carry any 'private' information like that. Its not going to have your last bank statement FFS!

Damian

damian666

The DNA thing is only an idea as well. A smart card chip can hold (if I remember right) up to 32k. How must space do you need?

In fact, doing a bit of research reveals that Sharp have developed a 1Mb version!

Damian

what would scooby do

- even owning a motorbike can downgrade your points (MI5)

NACRO

As far as I'm concerned my DNA is private property and the only person with the rights to hold data on it is me.

There are many implications of the govt holding DNA data, some ofwhich are very, very sinister. The only time I would agree to handing over my DNA would be in the case of rape/murder and then only if it was destroyed afterwards.

Do we want to be free or controlled? the choice really is that simple.

SJ_Skyline

Not taking photos of the right car will also land you in trouble Adam

Adrian F

This is an unacceptable infringement of our Civil Liberties and should not be imposed on us. This will aid in the Governments ability to track you every movement for example you go to the doctor and swip in for apointment if they want this shows up on a computer log and then you go and make visit to the post office to get benefit and again it logs you eventually they will be able to track you movements as more organisations jump on the band wagon of no ID card no service. They have no right to do this this is our country not the Governments and they have no reason to monitor the whole population.

P.S. it now appears i was wrong Asylum seekers will get the cards free as they will be on low incomes! so i am sure first stop Dover for ID card and then to benefit office for money!

The Saint

Agree with Adrian F.

The main drive for the government to move down this route is to make the tracking of individuals and the transactions they make easier. With this card, and the proposed in-car device that measures your road usage, the government will know where you are, and all significant life transactions that you make for your entire life. So might your employers. And hackers. And anyone else that is interested.

The information gathered will also be of a historical nature too, so it will be possible for any interested party to gain access to the reco0rds of your relaties, friends etc etc. Scary stuff.

Civil liberties are easily lost and very hard to win back.


Saint

BTW, some of the ID cars in Europe are a joke - have you seen them - just cardboard jokes. You need to compare apples with apples here, be very very careful.