advevo

john

increadable you say such thing on this board

If you say the M word on MLR board you can get killed

they are not amused if you type M3 or M5

LG John

It amazes me that people still don't think the M3 if fast yet at least JB agrees with me! Maybe its just scottish M3s I've seen two E46s driven flat out and all I'll say is.....good god they shift!!!!

john banks

I'd go for the M5, in the real world with a driver they have about 25% higher torque to weight ratio. Plus you can debadge them Plus you can get a 30000 miler for the price of a new STi or Evo. Totally different class IMHO. Is this BMWnet ?

Rich and Mini

The E39 M5 is slower than an E46 M3! They don't sound as nice either. An E46 M3 is quicker than most factory Imprezas ( I'd guess P1 and 22B are quicker to 60? ), not including PPP cars. They sound the absolute bollocks too, totally different noise to a flat four rumble, but lovely none the less. As the revs rise, it turns to a howl, getting louder the nearer you reach the peak power at 7900rpm.

Seen mags get them to 60 in just under 5 seconds, not bad for a N/A RWD car. I wonder what the new M3 CSL can do...

Rich

akshay67

The bottom line for me on this old chestnut is that its good to see a car that is half the price of an M3 giving it a run for its money. That alone must p1ss M3 owners off!

Phil M

How would that **** an M3 owner off?

Look how much more of a superior product your getting with the M3, and if you want to go down that road a 15k caterham could beat a PPP STI 8 or watever, would that bother a scooby driver? err no!

tiggers

Look I'm really sorry to get involved on this again, but you can't say the M3 is a superior product as that is not a fact. To you it might be superior, but judged purely on certain criteria alone it may not be.

Based purely on a performance per pound criteria the Scooby is well ahead (in my opinion - just to be careful ;-) ). I know the Scoob hasn't got the ride, the build quality, the interior, the badge or the reputation of the M3, but judged on certain criteria it does give it a run for it's money and the good thing is it doesn't have the massive price tag of the M3 either.

Anyway this has been done to detah on here already and people really could do with just using the Search function or maybe we should create a special forum for the 'Ultimate Driving Machine'.

Regards,

tiggers.

john banks

Evo seem to have the M5 at 4.9 and 11.5 to 60 and 100, and the M3 5.1 and 12.3. 269lbft at 5000 RPM and 369lbft at 3800 RPM. So can it be conclusively said that the M3 is quicker than the M5? Certainly not in this example.

I could reel both in without trouble with the 2.0 engine albeit running 25 PSI. 2.33 will be interesting, selling up and getting an M5 is my backup plan if it all goes pearshaped

[Edited by john banks - 7/13/2003 6:43:04 PM]

advevo

I powerslided an m3 today with eisenman exhaust and thing had 30 hp over standard it had an other ecu. We had a drift meeting today. This man asked me to powerslide his M3
You don t have to ask that twice

i drove scoobs i drove evo s but man what a quality car that is the handling is so good of that car it s increadable.

Fecking awesome anyone who tells you otherwise has not driven or powerslided one.

fantastic.

image doctor

Tiggers :-

Judged on a certain criteria a Burtons suit is better than an Armani suit.

fatherpierre

LOL

tiggers

image doctor,

My point entirely!!! It's all about criteria!! ;-)

Regards,

tiggers.

advevo

you guys proberly did not driven one he

LG John

I see where you are going with this (i.e. the whole, 'ah its just a 5 series' thing) but I prefer the M3 because of the fact it does look significantly different from the rest of the 3-series! I can always pick an M3 out a crowd but strugge to spot the M5. Both cracking cars

john banks

JC summed it up nicely on TG tonight, saying that you look like a **** in an M3. I have to agree, the car is fantastic, unfortunately the image that goes with them is undesirable, worse even than a Scooby which is bad enough IMHO.

A nice anonymous looking 5 series with a squillion horsepower and no badges to give it away would be my ideal

fatherpierre

I wouldn't mind looking a **** in a new M3........

M3 Evo

Ahh the M5, the thinkings mans choice of M car

advevo

driving an SL AMG makes you famous

Jc is just talking to make jokes what ever car it is.

LG John

I must admit what JC said was quite funny but I'd happily look a **** to own an M3. Everytime I see one I don't think '****' I think, 'lucky git!'

Rich and Mini

JB, sorry mate, haven't seen the Evo figures. I think it was Autocar who tested them back to back a while ago, the M3 came out fastest. I s'pose it all depends who's driving.

I wouldn't turn my nose up at either! But the M5 does look more similar to the "lesser" models, bar the quad exhaust, like SB said.

Rich

tiggers - don't go through the whole "but the Impreza is as fast for much less cash" argument again! In the new Evo, they're saying the M3 CSL is GOOD vfm at £58,445!

Phil M

advevo

rofl about the suits..


The scooby only beats the m3 on one criteria which is ££££££££

others like 4wd etc are in peoples opinion

power and straight line performance is similar (M3 has the edge though )

everything else the m3 wins in, and i mean everything

advevo

Phil youre right.


my opinion is

9 out of 10 people whould trade there evo or subaru for an m3 anyday.

Dracoro

10 out of 10 if it didn't have 'BMW' and '3' in the name!

advevo

Why does bmw has a names like poser car etc.

I have done lots of racing in my life karting formula renault formula ford.

I don t buy an m3 for posing around i want to go full lock on roundabouts.

love it.

SkodaMan

I usually think both - 'lucky tw@t' Seriously though, it's a nice car, but I can't imagine being mates with anyone who owns one.

Well, why didn't you say so? I'll have two at that snip of a price *ahem*

I can't imagine ever paying more than about 20K for a car, unless I was super-wealthy. I thought I was pushing the boat out when I paid £14.5 K for my Octavia

[Edited by SkodaMan - 7/14/2003 11:31:27 PM]

advevo

i rather have an subaru than a skoda


As my daily and fun car i would never buy a FWD again.

Zero Fun.

chrisp

9 out of 10 people who traded in their scoob or evo buy another scoob or evo . This BBS is full of people who have owned more than one scoob or evo or both. Also quite a few ex-M3 owners on here who have gone to scoobs or evos. So why do M3 owners think that if you drive a scoob you really want to own an M3 ?.

Yes the M3 is a good car, but not for me and what I want out of a car. I would spend my 40K elsewhere and I am already looking, probably a second hand 911T or a TVR. My car cost new just a little over half the price of an M3 but an M3 isnt twice as fast it cant do 300mph, 0-60 in 2.2 seconds and 0-100 in 6.5 seconds.

tiggers

chrisp,

I hope you've got your flame protective suit on - the BMW fraternity on here ain't going to like your comments even though I for one agree with you.

Regards,

tiggers

P.S. Yes am in the 1 in 10 ;-)

advevo

LOL

crisp you proberly did not drive one the way it should be

i have still my evo and i love it.

but m3 is more fun factor than my evo will ever be.

but lots of you like straight line speed traffic light sprints etc.
i dont

i like sideways fun. So RWD for me
m3 is the nicest compromis you wil find in a semi sports car.

Witchfinder

I'm happy with my Skoda - I don't hear my wallet groaning every time I turn the ignition key. Each to his own. Some people wouldn't been seen in anything but a BMW.

As long as the badge snobbery continues, I'll be happy. It means I get top quality cars for a nice cheap price
I'd love a four wheel drive Octavia vRS but they don't make one. I was close to buying an Octy 4X4, but didn't like the idea of having to tune it to make it go. As it happens though, I'm booking my vRS in for a re-map soon anyway.

Not sure how you can make a generalisation like that though - I have plenty of fun in my car, thanks.