TurboKitty

That's an interesting definition of welching out, since I followed up my comments in here several times. Still, if it makes you feel better about yourself, we'll go with your theory.

I think all these "managers" patting each other on the back, kidding themselves they're utterly essential to productivity and the whole world needs to be micro managed is hilarious, so I'm going to carry on taking the mickey.

After all, it worked for Scott Adams.

Mungo

I still maintain you've got a chip on your shoulder, probably because at some stage you've felt over-managed.
Managers do need to know what their team are working on, because strange as it sounds, they will have to let their bosses know what's happening. Maybe it doesn't happen in your organisation, but don't you ever get near to a project milestone and find that somebody is way off track, and it's because no-on checked what they were doing?

TurboKitty

My point is that there is a difference between knowing what your team is working on, (which I agree is vital), and the implication that goes along with the attitude that people are more productive if you constantly question them about what they are doing.

As for having been over-managed in the past, yes, I have. How would I know I hate it otherwise? I went contract largely to avoid it.

I'll accept the comment that I am sensitive about not being trusted to get on with my job, because I know it to be true. However, I still feel there is a strong flavour of pointy-haired boss coming from some of the managers posting on here. After the majority of the responses regarding the e-mail were negative, the "there, there, it's all right, it's just that all the non-managers don't understand" approach was just ridiculous.

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

I am not a manager in the sense to which you refer, I am a Civil Engineer, which is site management and not middle or lower management per se, but my point is thus....

Somebody innocently asked a question and looked for a response, as is their right, you give a response, as is your right.
Then, when the response to your response isnt too your liking, you launch a tirade against the purpotraitors (sp?)..

chip on shoulder, uh huh,

(if you can understand my grammer this morning then not only are you the greatest employee ever, you should (with your low key I am actually the greatest person at my job attitutde) be running the country. tis true.

Edited to state that the above points are for the attention of TurboKitty...

[Edited by Peanuts - 7/29/2003 9:07:03 AM]

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

All of the above is of course all in my humble opinion and at no point should any of it be taken as fact.....

Its just my take on a load of shyte...

velohead66

Mmmm, quite an onslaught of responses.

To defend my corner, I thought I was doing it in good faith, in a constructive, motivating manner.

Obviously, it was a bit condascending, as most people on SN think so, and as one staff member definately said so.

OK, so I would do it differently now, which is what I needed to know. Our team has made good progress over the last year, but some issues still need addressing. It helps if you can motivate people to change for themselves, which I guess is the art of management.

camk

Turbokitty,
You in work yet, just checking your not late getting into the office

TelBoy

I could never be a manager again, i'm too much of a perfectionist.

What always amuses me is when people who are good at the job they are doing are promoted to managers, because it is assumed they will also make good managers. That's what happened to me, and it didn't work. So i went back to doing what i did, and being much happier and successful again.

Too many organisations have supervisors/managers who are just not management material, just because their organisation promotes for the wrong reasons, imo.

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

agreed. Happens in the building game all the time, promoted due to long service or a good contract, only to be a to$$ manager.

stick to what you know is best

camk

on the other hand its often the case that many technical people push for a management position then struggle to cope with it, the best way to deal with is it have a tech and management career ladder....with similar pay bands. That way you only real reason to move to management is if you want out of a tech/hands on role.

TurboKitty

Tirade? *chuckle* This is a tirade?

LOL!

This is a bit of light mick-taking over stupid management attitudes.

If you think *this* is a tirade, I suggest I might not be the only slightly sensitive one here.

TurboKitty

TurboKitty

[Edited by TurboKitty - 7/29/2003 12:14:48 PM]

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

Tirade, long and angry speech.
concise.... you aint.
angry (ok thats a bit tenuous, but you have felt the need to multi-post)...

TurboKitty

Angry? No, not at all. I actually find the attitude that staff need to be constantly pestered in order to achieve really funny.

The follow-up posts were in response to posts by other people. This is, after all, a discussion board, so I'd think that discussion might be what you might expect here. There'd hardly be any point of people stated their view and then didn't respond further.

As for the comment that I should be running the world, no thanks. I'll stick to what I am good at, which is what I am doing now. After all, I think one of the points that has come out of this is that people should stick to what they are good at, rather than being promoted into management. People good at management should manage; those who feel they have something to prove, or who think that hassling their staff is good management technique, should be doing something else.

TurboKitty

No, often I'm not. However, text speak is concise and I wouldn't say that makes for good communication.

I'd rather be long winded than resort to bad English and poor grammar to cut the length of my posts.

velohead66

Always did enjoy Dilbert !

Em, moving on swiftly ......