Andy,

there are some bigger budget Scoobs in the making (well compared to yours anyway) - however the project budgets are merely a Gnats **** compared to some of these cars.

Maybe I should just save up to import a Rigoli car and bring it in so that Tweenie can be entertained in the crowd

Rannoch

 

quick spin, round the island in under 5 minutes

 

You will be saving for a while - their cars are SO expensive. lol

Sounds like i missed a good day though.

Rob, get sorted for next year - and dont sell it before TOTB this time!

 

the RS Turbo fiesta stuck with the viper!! Thats more of an achievement.

I was speaking to the viper driver, She was running 600bhp

Si

 

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[Edited by tweenierob - 05/08/2003 02:19:08]

 

si - nadine was the viper driver and she decided to fit a super charger to the car after michael's legacy gave her a real run for her money last year. he beat her by a couple of hundredths IIRC. had a look at the engine after her runs and all i can say is "fecking awesome". did you get a look at the size of the discs and calipers on her car as well. cost more than my whole car FFS

cheers

big sinky

 

I was never on the list, and was never going to be unless there was a space after I had a working and competitive car. Although my engine was installed a month before, I said I would not volunteer as I could not be sure of the car being right. Good job, otherwise I would have been another let down after the problems I had. Had I volunteered I would have put the standard engine back in and run with that.

Initially there were enough volunteers to have a reserve list. T-uk volunteered a short time before the event to fill up numbers. Several 22b team members had reliability problems, many cars did not live up to expectations. You take that risk from reliability, but should not have to from cars simply not being ready if you only accept applications that have working cars.

Think next year's entries should be based on proven results at smaller events first rather than accepting vapourware applications.

That is no dig at anyone, but the competition at this event was immense from the other clubs and to stand any chance, ESPECIALLY given our relatively limited budgets compared with say the big Skylines, I tend to agree with Rob.

I think the reality is that there are not enough reliable big power Subarus with consistent results in the UK yet. Otherwise we would have had 10 cars all producing several results in all three disciplines. In reality we were short on cars, and of the cars that were there, some couldn't or didn't enter all the events because driver or vehicle were not prepared. The car I had a hand in (T-uk's) was included in that unfortunately because of problems.

It was a fun day, but next year whoever is doing it should be well prepared

Hopefully the competition from other Subarus will be so good I won't even get a look in If things really are that good I will jump up and down with glee, but there is a long way to go!

Edit to say, that to really compete next year, every car should be run and mapped on race fuel (and probably nitrous ) and run on road legal semi-slicks if you really want to stand a chance. There was talk about this not being the spirit of the event, but I have no doubt that the serious competitors were doing everything. Nothing with a standard clutch or UK gearbox should be allowed either! This is what you need for a good team, otherwise we are kidding ourselves and going along only for a jolly.

[Edited by john banks - 04/08/2003 20:47:26]

 

I'd agree with that JB It was a difficult call for the organiser(s) though.
Imagine if they had filled the places with proven 300-350bhp cars and then David W, Mark A, David T, Pavlo, Adam M & SMG Steve all get their 500+ cars sorted with 1 week still to go !
As you say, it should be better next year (were we saying that last year ? )
The cossie guys didn't exactly have a ball either, despite having a qualifying round (I believe) they also struggled to field a competitive team of 4wd cars.

Andy

[Edited by Andy.F - 04/08/2003 21:28:24]

 

mmmm! this is a good one!
*opens can of irn bru and pulls up a bean bag*
astraboy.

 

Yes, a difficult call indeed, excluding a new big power car could be controversial, but in reality if you can't get it together and get results a few weeks before, then you cannot say you are prepared and likely to do justice to your specification. Depends on how seriously you want to take it and your budget.

Clearly the gene pool for Scoobies in the UK is a bit lacking at present. At least we are not all still struggling for 350 BHP, well not too much anyway, although it is still more difficult than a lot of people think!

I have just buried myself on that last one though, since the car I had a hand in was not even running 350 BHP without the clutch slipping.

No accusations or excuses, but TOTB is now a much more serious proposition than I and I think a lot of others realised before. All the better for it?

[Edited by john banks - 04/08/2003 21:40:07]

 

Well I enjoted the day and watching some of the fastest modified cars in the UK. Certainaly puts my standard WRX into perspective lol. Oh and the noise from those Vipers was awesome.


Turkish1

 

Classic

 

I agree with John and Andy...

...OMG I must be taking drugs!

Mark is sitting here also agreeing...he took more drugs than me!

It is a difficult call - a team was chosen of those people who chose to prepare a car to run. However we are all disappointed that we didn't deliver...but not at all disappointed that we didn't turn up. I would have been happy to have made way for a car that was going to deliver a faster time than me - but based on results so far this year - only Andy F has been consistently fast, and I am not aware of any low 12 second Scoobs running. The only car that I know of other than Andy's that has run below 12.5s didn't even turn up.

On the day - could we have had a better team? The entry was open to anyone, and those who did try have already made a monetary or time equivalent investment of many thousands of pounds to try and prepare.

The choice at the end of the day is wondering whether we should turn up at all. At present there is NO Subaru running in the UK, or one that has been even close to competing with the £100,000 plus project cars that featured at the top of TOTB. And many of these cars went home on trailers or on the back of the local AA Relay truck.

So, for me I was in class F for fun - I had a great day, putting behind me the promise of what might have been - but I am sure that Ronnie was thinking the very same thing when he was beaten by a 9 second Skyline. Should he not have turned up?

So overall - just to get the record straight - even if my car had been ready - you would still have been disappointed. There is simply no chance I personally, or as far as I am aware, anyone who offered to enter have the appropriate budget to prepare a genuinely competitive car against a 900bhp (ATW) 9 second Skyline.

At best we might break into the high 10s.

So I will try again next time - and if the rules are going to be based on qualifying, or running cars then fine. If I am ready then I may qualify, if not, then hopefully someone will be there who is even quicker.

Rannoch

 

I'm sorry but all the Scoob entries drove to the track!!!
Did all the Vipers and Evos drive? NO!!

Yes the mentality may have been wrong and we had alot of problems along the way but I think it was a pretty good showing.

Subaru engines will never be as reliable as the Evos and Cossies for big power, but that won't stop us trying

I think lesons have been learnt from this year and we will come back stronger next year with a propper pit crew and better attitude to the event.
If the pace of Subaru tuning and inovation continues we might even be competitive

 

LOL Sunnys Fiesta was only running 1/2 boost aswell as he had a slipping Clutch - he still managed a top speed of 169mph.

 

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[Edited by tweenierob - 05/08/2003 02:20:04]

 

rob.. I really cant believe what you are saying...



I know steven and trout / rannoch / david... they were launching well.. I wasnt.. fact.. They were trying...

I really dont think you will compete.. lets see you at scoobyshoot out... as andy said times dont show it, et does.. lets see what I get.. hmm 120+

Spoon..

Friday night I stated i wasnt going to run..

hmm.. I dont need to make excuses.. Have A word with yourself.. usually if there is an opportunity to take the **** / have a dig AndyF, T UK, John B, etc would take the ****..

Now andy said him self my car would be good when its done.. He has the quickest scoob in the country... proven as by totb.. FACT.

Power doesnt = QUICK

So if he says it will be good.. then what does that mean??

he's either fookin nuts and doesnt know what he is talking or

may I also add 0.8 bar boost and 7.5k rpm limit.


So spoon.. take you big brown spoon and FO..

my car isnt about excuses.. its slow.. fact it was proven.. but **** me.. it looks nice under the bonnet (did)

David

 

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[Edited by tweenierob - 05/08/2003 02:20:24]

 

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[Edited by tweenierob - 05/08/2003 02:21:04]

 

Sorry for the delay in writing on the event, it has taken me an age to get home. (very long story)

I would like to thank everyone that entered the event for entering into the spirit of what TOTB2 is about, road cars going head to head in 3 disiplines and doing their best.

The entry was open to all Imprezas, we had a lot of high power cars not ready in time for various reasons, we fielded a good team, anyone who wanted to enter had months of notice to contact me, in the end we fielded 9 cars under the 22B.COM team entry.

The teamwork shown in getting Trouts and davids cars there in particular was outstanding and i am very proud of the bunch of guys who worked their ***** off to get those cars to the event. We even had Carlos flying in from Peru to help out!

I would also like to say a special thankyou to Mikee, who wasnt able to run due to running out of time to map his car, but he still came along and suported the team with a smile, that's class!

I would have liked to have had more reserves, but nobody came forward in the months prior to the event, we lost 3 of the largest power cars just a week or two before the event so we did well to produce the entry we did.

As to my own efforts, i did one drag run on the top speed lane, i didnt do a launch as such as i wanted to get the high speed run out of the way before swapping to my track wheels, in that one run i did a 13.16s 1/4, that was with just cruising off the line.

I then swapped my wheels over and went to the handling circuit, i did one untimed sighting lap then went for my first fast lap atempt which is the only decent launch i made, my big end blew on this lap, so that was me finished for the day.

Without that problem i have no doubt i would have made the final shootout, for me and my car that was the only aim for the day, but my engine didnt hold together and i didnt get to show what the car could do. Thats the way it goes sometimes in motorsport, and lets not kid ourselves, this was serious motorsport.

Many thanks to Steven Darley for being brave and generous enough to let me have 3 runs in his wagon, a couple more runs and i would have made the finals in that car i think, I was quite close to AndyF's times and knocking big chunks off the time each run but we ran out of time, it's very impresive for a UK gearbox equiped Impreza, the engine is stunning.

Sorry this reply isnt very detailed or answers many questions but i dont have time to go into a novel and say in detail what i want to. I would just like to say a thankyou for the whole Subaru entry and suporters who made the day/weekend enjoyable, despite the problems and hard work involved.

Tweenierob, please put up or shut up! the world is full of people with opinions about how well people should do, but until you enter the event and run, what you have to say with regards to how well the subaru entry did compared to your own times on a diferent day with a car that then had an engine but now doesnt, quite frankly is irelivent. The people who took the time and made the effort to enter did the best they could, that is all you can ever ask of anyone.

cheers
john

 

yeah well.. 18month break.. 3 runs.. no practice.. other than car park.. 1 clutch with 1.5ton of clamping force.. no revcounter..

hmm excuses again..

Ive asked a couple of scoobynetters to take a drive before I change anything..

David

 

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[Edited by tweenierob - 05/08/2003 02:15:23]

 

Rob, i have no idea what you look like, but if you were to say hello i would have said hello back, like i did with more people than i can remember, like i always do. I dont apreciate the insult.

The only person at this event who apears to be full of himself is you, apologies for not spotting you in the crowds of thousands and showing you around my knackered engine.

Please forward me a full size photograph of yourself prior to the scooby shootout so i can not make this horendous mistake again.

 

u know i walked around and saw loads of cars with simmiler roll cages to my death trap one
lol

i think i saw you as well mr felsted, well i saw your car with a old bloke standing next to it, sort a leaning on the roof, i asume that would be you as i wouldnt be letting anybody, except myself lean on my roof, stickers looked ok-ish

cant wait for the scooby shoot out, should be a laff

 

i never lean on my roof, you should have shot the bugger.

Thanks for the compliment.

 

nice one Rob.

 

Sorry john, but that is nonsense. Have you any idea how hard it was to get 9 cars together to run in this years event? From what you say i would have to say no. These cars dont just materialise out of thin air, people have to pay for them and build them and there arent that many people willing to invest what is required to do well in a Subaru, no matter what you may want them to do. The Impreza is not the drag kings choice, it never will be, so the number of cars capable of doing well on a drag strip is always going to be limited. Subaru tuning has come on masively in the last 12 months, it will do so again in another 12 months, but dont kid yourself, 10 cars to the spec of a top skyline in the UK simply wont happen. Even if there were 10, getting those to enter the event wont happen.

I had a standard clutch and i was not there for a jolly, i was there to try and win on the handling track, i was not kidding myself that it was posible with the car i had, i think it was very posible. The impreza chassis is exceptional if set up right and has the correct transmition system, you dont need huge power, which i proved on the test day, it's just a shame i didnt get the chance to show what could be done on the day proper.

 

I missed the whole experience due a foreign work assignment, but from what I can read up on, a lot of time and money has gone into showing what the Scoobies can do, IMHO they certainly did not disappoint all the enthusiasts who went. Considering the daily driver aspect, I think it showed even further the achievement to date and I can only wait with great anticipation for next year's event which I intend to give support fully with the scooby brigade.

I have no real concept of what is involved techincally with big power scoobs, but I know in time the boundaries will be pushed back further and I cannot wait to see the cars and chat to the owners.

Maybe next year we should invite the AUS bug-eye, 9.98s drag 1/4, running 770bhps and NOS [and GT55 single turbine??], but I bet you won't see it being driven home like the rest of the scoobs.

Well done peeps, looking forward to next year.

 

John,

and thanks to you for organising it!

I'm going to take all the advice to heart - I mean if I was bogging and getting 1.6s starts - just think how good it will be when I get off without bogging!!

Off to car park to try it out..........timing gear anyone?

Rannoch

 

Seems to be a lot of negative comments going about. All i can say is i really enjoyed the day. Would have like to have chatted to a few more people but most of the time when i passed they were busy so didn't want to get in the way. Only down side of the day was the sun burn..... worn the cap back to front to cover my neck and have now got a white band on my forehead. Do i look a ****... you bet .

The sccobs that ran certainly didn't discrace anybody, very impressive i though. Especially Steven's. You really can't compete with some of the big power skylines that have a team of five people (all in the team colours) with laptops coming out of there **** and a budget worth more than my house. As Trout said the day was (or should have been) more about having fun. Next year i'd give it a go.... but i think at 330bhp i wouldn't get a look in .

Tony.