black knight

i feel for him as well. so his moaning didnt really bother me.

what really disturbed me was the fact that he thinks i'm unreasonable not to contribute and said he would if i was in his shoes.

i always try my best to be just to people as i would like people to treat me the same way back. but guess that's life, nothing is fair.

met

sold as seen, bad karma n all but hey thats life, i had the same thing happen to me on a car i sold, the only concern i had was the person coming back & keying my other car! private second hand cars are cheaper than new ones as there is an element of risk involved. you pays your money you get your car.

Jo Peters

Sold As Seen no longer covers you legally according to a policeman friend of mine. I don't recall though if it is your responsibility to prove that you sold the car knowing that it was all ok or not. I would def. seek legal advice.

Jo

(My policeman pal is on hol so I can't contact him at the mo to expand on this, but I know that SOLD AS SEEN def does not cover you anymore)

magepaster

iTrader: (2)

Sold as seen does not cover you if proof can be provided that you knew of any faults before selling.

Sold as seen does cover you if unforseen circumstances cause the car to become unusable.

If you gave the buyer a reciept with sold as seen on it then he has no recourse.

Big ends can go without warning and cannot be classed as a foreseeable fault.

sulli

Nezz10
Do you live in Birmingham?

SlowBoy

iTrader: (1)

I think there's an important difference in the two examples you've given here Mr Knight. The guy you sold your motor to doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting you to contribute towards repair costs. This is because there was nothing wrong with the car when you sold it to him.

With your old Fiat, assuming the seller was the only owner, it's pretty much impossible for him not to have known of the history of the car. Therefore he lied. You could have taken him to court. If you hadn't asked him if the car had ever been crash repaired, then that's different, I think. But you did, and he gave false info.

So, back on topic, I think this guys just trying it on. Forget about it.

Leslie

I dont think you can be held liable Black Knight. As long as the car was running as it should have done when he bought it,and it must have been since you demo'd the performance to him then the risk of engine trouble after the sale is his unless you gave him a guarantee. As was said, you have no way of knowing whether he was redlining it on every gearchange, running it flat out from cold, or running for long periods at top revs etc etc.

All this "guff" about you including all the kit because you knew it was defective is rubbish so I would not worry any more about it. It is just a try on.

Les

wakeboardar

i would give him 500 for goodwill

watch out though any offer might indicate guilt

dhorwich

Even if you didnt put sold as seen on the receipt there is NO come back..!!!

How the hell can you or anyone know if the engine was going to blow up..??? How can you see inside the engine..??? The guy is trying everything he can... It just seems a little strange that you can own the car for all that time then when a new owner gets it he blows it up...

How do you know he didnt put normal unleaded in it..?? how do you know he didnt take each one of his makes out in it and thrashed the pants off it each time..?? or even thrashed it from cold...

Are you prepared to pay up in light of the above incidences..??? I wouldnt..

Dan

DARREN

No come back for you Mate,just bad luck on the buyer.

Not Barclays,Woolwich or Abbey National its got to be
TSB tough,**** baby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dal

korky

Gents,

So many selfish views!

I recently bought a car privately. During the test drive I commented that it seemed to be pulling to the left. Nevertheless I still bought it as it satisfied all of my other requirements.

Imagine my surprise when one week later I was faced with a £600.00 repair bill.

When I contacted the seller he was initially rather rather dismissive.

However following further discussions he paid for half of the repair....which was nice. What an honourable chap!

The moral of the story is that many of us on this BBS will buy and sell cars privately at some stage of our lives. This could happen to any of us.

Forget the law and stuff consumer rights. What about doing the "right thing" for once?

The poor buyer will not forget you either way - you control whether his memories be fond ones or otherwise!

Rant over,

Korky

greasemonkey

Pardon?

So you noticed something wrong during the test drive then?

Indeed. However, what the hell does this cosy little story have to do with the situation Kwan finds himself in? As you admit, you noticed something wrong on the test drive. At no point, by all accounts, did the purchaser of Kwan's car indicate that he thought it was about to blow up. The car was sold in good faith.

I think that's blindingly obvious to everyone who's contributed to the thread so far.

Bolx. As mentioned, the car was sold in good faith. What more do you expect, the seller to have the car stripped, checked and rebuilt before advertising it? The buyer was offered the chance to have the car checked over...

For all we know, the "poor buyer" could have filled it with 95 RON and ragged the *rse off it. Quit the sanctimonious preaching.

If you sold a car that the buyer accepted as perfect on a test drive, only to return with a £2500 bill three days later claiming the engine had spontaneously combusted, what would you do?


Wakeboarder: Eh? Contradicting yourself a little there eh Waky?

black knight

Thanks sti-4

that's my old car!!!!!!! ****!!!!i'm deffo not contributing at all now! was convinced that he's not a trader but an enthusiast so that buyer wouldnt make a quick profit out of the car as it was advertised at £9k when all 97/98 was going for abt 12k mark. i have turned down cash offer from a couple of traders before that.

buyer was first viewer and offered the price and i sold it to him even when the second viewer offered the autotrader price of £9.5k and i turned him away due to gentleman's agreement made to the first viewer. now i'm furious! could have just given all the spares away to fellow netters than this no good trader profiting.

it's all clear now! i'm convinced that since he's a trader, i reckon he drove the car over its limit as he'll only own it for a short period of time before selling it on.

moreover, if he hasnt the time to change the parts, the descriptions are wrong as it has brembo 4 pots not 6pots. ecu was not remapped, i gave him a spare std ecu (probably he'll use it as proof that the ecu in car is not standard?) and it has no coilovers but eibach springs on std dampers. arghh i miss my carbon spoiler hand carried from japan!

guess someone up there is fair after all.

case closed! thanks everyone again for all the positive and negative comments.

black knight

i believe buyer posted the ad right after he bought the car but b4 big end gone.

i presume that when the big end gone, equals no profit and hence asking me for contribution. that's my guess though might be right might be wrong.

but let this matter RIP.

thanks

Spoon

Lets all phone him and bid around £3k for the car!!

Leslie

Lol @ Spoon.

Never offer him anything in good will-he will take you to court to get the rest. He does not deserve it.

Les

ScoobyKev

Just phoned the new owner (from the ad in the autotrader) who explained that it was miss firing, and has gone into a garage for the work to be carried out. It has had one owner since being in the uk who was chinese. Definately a trader cus when I asked if he has the sti for sale, he replied "which one". I've asked him how much he'll go down to and its gonna be close to the figure hes asking for.

Kev

kicked

I think you should be a nice chap and offer some money......say £1.50 for bus fare cos he might need it

black knight

then again, all this commotion re big end gone was from the buyer which was not verified at all.

Misfiring (doubtful) as it was healthy when i sold it or even blowing big end, no one can tell except for the buyer. so we all dont exactly know what happened to the car, all i know was buyer said so and so and asked for contribution.

from the autotrader advert to what was actually said when u called to enquire seems a web of truth PLUS fiction, call it salesmanship or whatever crap, dont really care anymore. did even tried to help searching for cheaper rebuilds.

point is, i sold the car in hope the buyer would enjoy and not profit. guess i was wrong but what the heck, he's paid for it and not my problem. just the depression that all my hard work and research has gone down the drain.

by the way, any ideas what the traders name was when the call was made? email me if wish to keep private.

cheers again ppl. scoobynet rules!

wrx.co.uk

This advert in the Trader is definatley from a trader because he says so: "Vanlip Sport" its in the advert. I looked into buying this car myself, until I found the original owner was CHU (3 engines and 200k miles in 2 years!)

black knight

i bought this car off the said person. unless u can proof, please refrain from stating anything about another person. this post is abt me selling the car to a person who claims to be an enthusiast but turned out to be a trader and has nothing to do with the previous seller. please be fair to others and treat one matter at a time.

moreover, even if what u claimed is true, i owned the car for 18 mths without any problems. and assuming u r right, i had no recourse if the engine blew up during my ownership coz when i bought it, i had AA check the car.

the seller comes here regularly and i do not want to step on anyones toes. so please leave this as it is.

moderators, if this thread goes on in slagging another scoobynetter off, please remove it as i dont want to be liable for any sh*t.

SlowBoy

iTrader: (1)

greasemonkey - nice reply

blackknight - report the trader to the trading standards. I don't think you're allowed to lie when describing a car in a for sale ad. If he's lying about the ad he's probably lied about what happened to the car and how it happened.

black knight

slowboy,

call me selfish but i've received the money and sold the car and i'm not taking matters any further as no further calls are made by the buyer.

honestly, he can do what he wants with the car, and i'm not in a position to proof that what he described is not true. its's for potential buyers to check them out if the ad reflects the car.

lets be fair to all parties. and moreover, no one can say for sure what happened to the car and no one knows. unless proof can be shown, it;s all speculation.

i'm now not feeling bad as i've realised big end gone might not even be true or the misfiring claimed by the trader or even the 200k miles miles claimed by wrx.co.uk. (bolloc*s me thinks)

i'm now going to leave this thread and not entertain any more posts. thanks everyone again for all the replies. sccobynet rules

maxy666

black knight i sold a escort rs to a mate at work,he put a new radio in it that night next morning it was on fire,he asked for his money back, told him the same as you should tell your buyer,pi55- off.sorted!!

MadGrip

shame it happened BK, but wipe your hands of it mate..

only thing that would P155 me off is the fact that i'd lovingly looked after this car which ended up in the hands of an idiot

RLE

iTrader: (2)

Just my legal input...Could be liable under Sales of Goods Act, sold as seen needs to be clearly identified by the vendor and any goodwill payment should be made "without prejudice".

If the buyer issued any claim though,a solicitor would argue that a). the seller did not sell the car knowing of any default b). its difficult to enforce laws in respect of "sold as seen". Afterall 99% of private sellers fail to include this in any term of sale and c) without prejudice ensures any payment made in respect of goodwill is solely discretionary, can be withdrawn if no agreement is reached and finally is under circumstance an admission of guilt, fault or liability.

In conclusion you can whistle for a contribution!! And it sounds like a trader who has in all probability done it thousands of times to the public. What goes around comes around eh?

[Edited by RLE - 8/13/2003 2:07:26 PM]

dosenöffner

And any prospective buyers (test piolts) who drove it as well.

Does amuse me that the thread posted by another chap who was the buyer in that case got exactly the opposite comments to this one though. Seems he wasn't as well know or popular.

Some one even said 'but that's a different car'. ????? Go figure.

This board lacks consistency. At least I'm a prat all the time.

Spoon

dosenöffner- Show us where the opposite was said about the same scenario and not the one where somebody bought a warrantied car from a dealer.

dosenöffner

Here you go.

http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...hreadID=234829

Spoon

You must have read that a different way to me then.

Steve_Nairn_sti might have thought that originally.

The others on a whole were sympathetic and helpful but implied caveat emptor.

You're right,









You are a prat