Tiggs

si, i think i will email them!

im not bothered in the bothered sense. its more that i dislike the dumb blinkers they wear when they run this stuff.

its family TV and its a comp between loads of blokes on illegal drugs!

i will let you know what they say (hope i dont get it banned before you star!)

LG John

Following the advice in this thread I took to squating for the first time today. If ever I worked my legs previously it was in machines so this was a whole new experience! I did some research on stance/technique on the net but I have a question:

Should the bar hurt so bloody much or did I have it positioned wrong! I only had 40kg on a 20kg bar (60kg) but it was cutting into my shoulders like you wouldn't believe - how do you support 100+kg on you shoulders without immense pain!?

RichiW

I get asked this alot, it doesn't bother me at all, yet my training partner who has more muscle than me says it hurts his shoulders. Up to this point i thought it was because i have a pretty muscular back, but must be down to technique too.

TelBoy

The bar can hurt when squatting, yes, even with a thicker Olympic bar. I've always used either a length of pipe lagging, or a towel wrapped round my neck/traps. Pipe lagging is ok, but it will break down after a while. You can get "proper" bar protectors, a sort of glorified pipe lagging with velcro, but i've never got on with them.

In my experience a towel works best because it doesn't slip, doesn't rotate, and can give you the impression of looking bigger in the mirror. And if you're squatting heavy weights, every psychological advantage you can get on your side is worth having.
Most importantly - don't let the shoulder/trap pain today put you off. Find a way round it. Take an old towel and see how you get on. Don't not do squats. They are number one. Unfotunately they're awkward and hurt. Life sucks, huh?

Also want to say - great pics Def, CC and others.

Fuzz

what happened to the pics Fundimetal,

I'll host em if your having hassle

Andy

Tiggs

i thought everyone did squats in the woods with beer and girls arnold and franco stylee!

TelBoy

Hehehe, i remember those stories too. Now if there's one exercise beer doesn't mix well with, surely, squats is it! Although how much squatting with weights they got done is anyone's guess!

Tiggs

i think the plan was squat till you cant stand then drink till you cant **** then sleep.

of course with all those steroids they wouldnt have been able to **** so the stories must be rubbish

scoobydooooo

first of all supresi , i didn't say that those on bsm [who] are natural and as for this quote , you are out of your mind , at the end of the day it's drug taking , pure and simple !! THAT IS WHY IT IS ILLEGAL TO HAVE THEM IN YOUR POSSESSION !!so basically all those on steroids are druggies .

LG John

I said it hurt.......I didn't say I was a *****

I still find it weird that its good for all of your body but I'll trust the experts on this one

CC

thx for that rich! again thx for the kind comments lads...quite humbling to be honest ...

...but i do know i'm far from all that and have seen 1st hand proper competition physiques which make me look like a complete beginner.

I think i am gonna go for some definition rather than try and get more size...must get abs lol!!

After heavy squats i usually have very noticeable red marks, almost like devils pinches, across the the top of my shoulder. U just get used to it but as Telboy suggested a towel will help.

Scoobydoo, steriods are not illegal to possess in this country they are illegal to sell without prescription.

super_si

Yeah terry i agree pipe lagging but sometimes its good to feel it dig in and pushes you more i find, When doing fronts theres nothing to do but take the pain.

Saxo - its normal to have cuts and bruises after squatting on the shoulders and base the neck fun isnt it hehehehe

Tiggs - Ill be very interested im sure they'll understand about it. But i think kids generally wont be aware of such drugs etc

scoobydooooo - So its ok to take roids for ashma(sp) and nerve damage but not for sports.??

Si


[Edited by super_si - 8/25/2003 12:22:07 PM]

assti

I don't think it has been mentioned on this thread yet, but what do people think of creotine???????? Does it help??

super_si

had it a few times. but the last lot didnt do **** all. tbh.

I found eating loads its the best form mate.

Im thinking trying it again though soon just to see if it was a fluke

Si

scoobydooooo

yes that's what the law says , and that is why its a banned substance by every sports body in the world !!

LG John

Any advice on Protein shakes then? What's good, what's bad, what's overpriced?

super_si

AS far as the law goes im pretty sure possesion is ok, its the dealing that people get in trouble for

Also its not banned in strongman

MadGrip

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[Edited by MadGrip - 8/26/2003 10:56:14 AM]

LG John

So what screwed you up madgrip? Martial arts of all things should keep you very supple and in good shape?

TelBoy

Sorry to hear that Madgrip. Also interested to hear what caused that. You're not the only one though, i think it's Grovesy on here who has metal plates in his lower back. Weights can be very dangerous, especially in a moment of madness. I often went nuts, as i've said before, but in the context of doing strip set after strip set, rep after rep, but with lighter and lighter weights and with a spotter who knew what they were doing. When the heavy weights are on the bar though, there's only one mindset to maintain - respect.

Creatine - don't know, never used it.

Protein shakes - i always used Multipower, the staff were always helpful and they did decent bulk discounts, but don't know if that's true now. Worthwhile as a supplement - i added it to my milk and egg whites mixture, but don't rely on it for your protein intake; get that from real food, and treat protein powder as a helping hand.

super_si

Thats Jonny Gav tel

Si

scoobydooooo

no its illegal to possess steroids without a prescription , they changed the law because it was hard to prosecute anyone for selling the stuff because they always said it was for personal use !! so if you advocate the use of steroids or give anyone advice to use them , you are encouraging the use of a drug that is illegal to possess !!

TelBoy

Cheers Si - i knew it had g's and v's in it somewhere!

Ellwood looked flippin huge on BSM last night - just goes to show you though, you don't have to be massive to get on in strength contests..

super_si

Lets be fair hes the best deadlifter on the planet lol.
What annoyed me was the BBC didnt show people in the order they did on the day which was ****

made it look like eddy got rapped, when he didnt.

SI

TelBoy

Don't follow Si, how would the order have made a difference?

I didn't think powerlifting was Ellwood's speciality. Yeah he's strong, but best on the planet? Doubt it.

image doctor

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CC

scoobydo, unless the law has changed recently IT IS NOT AN OFFENCE TO POSSESS anabolic steriods :

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[Edited by CC - 8/26/2003 9:59:07 AM]

super_si

joking???

He did 410kg deadlift without ever deadlifting before. Also if were saying hes not a good powerlifter i know fact he squats 7 plates, does reps with 310kg deadlift. Ill find his bench out i to get a 56" chest its not gonna be shy. I bet hes got near a 2000 powerlifting score without even trying! Hes already cleared 1500 with 2 of the recognised lifts.

Si

Weldone CC thats what i thought too

[Edited by super_si - 8/26/2003 10:13:14 AM]

ozzy

Kenny,

Just what are you trying to achieve? Do you want to be 16/17 stone with 20" arms?

Are you just trying/wanting to get bigger for the look or is this motivated by the need to be stronger for a particular sport?

If you train hard, eat well, get plenty of rest to recover between sessions then I can't see how you can fail to get big.

A lot of the guys who have mentioned the use of steroids did so because they made the biggest gains and wanted to radically alter their physics (correct me if I'm wrong lads).

If anyone wants to become stronger is everyone with experience of steroid use telling us that you have to use them? or am I correct in thinking that they are a must if you want to go from 12 stone to an 18 stone bodybuilder??

Stefan

TelBoy

Actually no, Stefan. I never used them to build mass, only to maintain mass whilst dieting for contests. I only ever did it reluctantly though; problem is if you don't do them, you'll never win, sad fact of life. Unless it's a tested competition, like oj on here does. Using them day in day out to build size is a whole different ballgame/mindset - not a place i'd like to be. Too much stress, both physically and mentally.

Si - i hear you, but "best on planet" is some claim.