PG

All the best Scoob99

Scoob99

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Student, sorry mate you are not living in the real world,may i ask what you do for a living? as for the problems you have with your postman, talk to him or failing that ring the local office and ask to speak to a delivery manager and complain to him.
Cheers
Colin

Scoob99

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Just had my wage slip delivered,
Basic Pay £264.43
Net pay £198.70.
Need I say anymore.
Cheers
Colin

Student Bloody Lamo.

Scoob,
real world, me? of course I live in the real world, I have stated that the Postie is an under-rated job, everybody knows about the early starts, nasty dogs, bad weather and the dodgy pay, but my point is thus, dont strike, leave, you took the job knowing the pay, you are offered a inflation busting pay rise and want more! 14 odd% is not inflationary, its more like 7xinflation.
so real world>?
I work for a civil engineering firm, this year our firms profits were way down we didnt get massive 14% pay rises, we didnt get our annual bonus.
some chose to stay and accept the conditions, some left to find better conditions elsewhere, what we didnt do was beat our gums over it and threaten to walk out.
sorry if your take home is what it is, but dont ask me to give sympathy when you work for a failing company and that extra 10% pay increase over what was offered will surely drive the company to worse financial status?
The agency workers will be next, then the saturday girls, then pub staff.
simple choice, accept the terms and conditions and the offered payrise, or move jobs.
unfortunately under the current socialist regime people think they are entitled to something for nothing, has your job changed recently? Have your working conditions worsened considerably? what do you think you do this year as opposed to last year that warrants 14%?
Sorry, I keep saying it bujt if you need more money to live on or think you deserve more money then either get a higher paid job or send the mrs. out to work also.

Student.

NACRO

quote "Just had my wage slip delivered,
Basic Pay £264.43
Net pay £198.70"

Didn't realise the wages were so low. How is anyone able to live on that amount of money? That's not much more than £800 per month. To put that into perspective my council tax bill for a property I don't even live in anymore is £1200 and something a year. The UK is one of the mos expensive countries to live in, yet pays slave labour wages like the ones mentioned above. No wonder they want a pay rise.

Scoob99

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We only want a pay rise so we can live an easier life, Student my man, I have been in this job for 15 years, I'm now 45, I have no chance of getting work else where at my age, besides, I like my job, and i know the implecations that can happen if this strike goes ahead, as I say all we want is a decent living wage, BTW my wife does work.
Cheers
Colin

Student Bloody Lamo.

Colin,
fair doos, cant argue with that. Ultimately I do hope you get the money you are after, and if the truth be known I didnt leave my present job when the bonus didnt materialise because I was uncertain as to the future. many did.
However, maybe one way to make the post office more profitable would be to sack all the middle managers who do **** all drawing top salaries?
This would free up enough money within the current structuring policy to pay all the workers a better salary would it not?
And finally, because you have been so nice (and not just ripped into my antiquated views on society), tomorrow, I am going to make the effort to see my postie in person, say hello and maybe talk to him for a couple of minutes thereby paving the way for a chat about right numbering on houses at a later date.

Student.
(prepared to listen to the man)

brickboy

Usual Scoobynet -- no-one else has a right to strike apart from me me me

I'm with the posties -- I did a temporary Christmas job at the sorting office many years ago and it opens your eyes, believe me.

Gordo

Scoob99 - you have my support also, I don't think people realise how difficult the job is or how poorly the business has been managed.

I still disagree with strike action at this point, however. The union rep on the radio was a disgrace and (as, unfortunately, with many union reps that have been in the public eye recently) was inarticulate, irrational and contradictory - in short, not bright enough to find his local Post Office, never mind attempt to intelligently negotiate on behalf of the workers therein.

Postmen should be paid a decent wage for what is a strenous and thankless job. Using the excuse that the business is losing money is not good enough - this should be addressed via a change in the legislation which is currenly imposing restrictive pricing (i.e. OffPost or whatever they're called dictating how much can be charged for stamps etc). There are signs of sensible cost cutting occurring - I for one wholeheartedly approve of the move from rail to road recently. It's all very well to complain about the roads being congested enough etc but the business saves a published £60m a year by doing this. Let's face it, the trains are fecked, but that's a separate topic!

Gordo

Scoob99

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Thanks guys,
Yes i agree some of the top union men are a waste of space, but they will get their come uppance beleive me, I for one do not want to strike because I know what the concequnces will be but a lot of this middle mangement has lost the company millions, and thats not the ones who have had their golden handshake and a pension of around £20,000 a year, as I said earlier all i want is a decent wage for the job I do, I will keep you all posted.
Cheers
Colin

Spoon

Been deleting Redkop?

Hobo_Jojo

ok so they were bein offered a pay rise anyway? i dont think they should even get that. especially considering the amount of mail which goes missing, we send out loads of special delivery items from here and the amount that go missing is rediculous, special delivery suposed to be assured to get there? bollox. once they get there ***** into gear and stop loosing everyones mail then they can moan about how much there pay is.

Hobo_Jojo

£198 is low? im on £170 a week 35 hours

my brother works 11 hours a day doing a skilled factory job and gets only £200 a week

stop whinging. if its too low go apply for a better job

Scoob99

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A postmans hours are 41.5 over a 5 day week, it's nice to see i'm not the only poor sod on here then.
Cheers
Colin

rich1231

The Postmen I know do the following.

Get up at 4ish (so what i get up at 5 usually)
Get to work by 4.30 (it takes me at least till 8.30)
Work really hard honest, until 9.30-10 when they get home!!!!!!!
6 days a week granted, but they get offered shedloads of overtime.
so they get up an hour before me and get home about 9 hours before me.
mmmmmm

Scoob99

iTrader: (1)

Sorry Rich not true, the early guys start at 5am with some sorting then at 5.45am, they then go and start to throw up their delivery, to be out of the office by 6.45am deliver till 9.30am but this never happens, because the mail has just got to heavy, returns to office has a 30 min meal releif, then goes down and does a 2nd delivery till 12 midday, then returns to office and has to sort mail till 13.40pm then goes home knackered.
Cheers
Colin

rich1231

Sccob,

I must be mistaken then when they tell me this is what they do then.

Rich

Huge

Stay calm Col or you'll have one of your funny turns

I think that many of the problems stem from the inability of the Post Office to charge a commercial rate for the delivery of letters, and the obligation to deliver mail to anywhere in the UK for the same price.

I for one believe that the postal service in this country is pretty good in absolute terms and very good when the cost is taken into account. I think that it also compares very favourably as a service with the postal services of many other countries.

Should the staff strike? Well I believe that they should have the right to do so, but that the management should have the right to fire. Personally I don't think that a strike will solve what are very deep seated problems within the business - more radical thinking is necessary and the public may not like some of the options.

Hugh

PG

Good old ill informed arguments of Scoobynet

Scoob99

iTrader: (1)

Hugh,
I don't think we should strike either it will do the buissness more harm than good and sadly it will cost jobs, but sadly some of the dead head union guys we have they see no other option.
Cheers
Colin.
P.S. How's the new motor

misty

The lazy Firemen wanted £30k for doing Fukc All!!!

Perhaps pslewis you can tell me the last time you spent 6 hrs fighting a 200 million pound fire, or the last time you spent 45mins of your ******* miserable life cutting three teenagers from their totally smashed car. Obviously you know all the facts of the recent firefighters dispute, and you must contribute so much to society that it allows you to make your totally tw*tish comments! You ignorant ****** you.
dave

Chip

Scoob99,
So Ive pi$$ed you off have I. I was pointing out that a posties job is not exactly rocket science and that reflects in the pay.
Granted there are early mornings but that also equates to a very early finish. I too have very early starts some days and also work 24 hr shifts sometimes under very stressful conditions.

You seem to have an anti-management problem.This is hardly surprising being a member of the militant UCW.

From my point of view the service has gone downhill in recent years.Not your fault I know but the UCW has to realise that in the real world things must change and cannot that it demand silly pay rises just to implement these changes.

I suppose I am a little anti postie as a few years ago after a long investigation my own postie was sacked for stealing my post.
It also annoys me that where I live the collection of post has gone from 7am, 12am,5.30 pm to just one daily collection at 5.30pm. Of course I can travel 12 miles to the sorting office to post a letter at up to 9pm but why should I.

As for striking I dont think youll get public sympathy.

Chip.

boomer

I think that a lot of the problems stem from old working practises that the unions refuse to change - as well as B.Liars refusal to let the price of a stamp increase to a sensible level.

Scoob99,

i would be interested on your comments about some of the things i read about around a year ago about (what was at the time) Consignia.

The outgoing part of mail delivery (post box to distribution centre) is highly automated, with all those fancy machines that they always show on news items. People who work in that "department" have a cushy time! The incoming bit (delivery to your house) is manual sorting, by the postie, before he starts his round - why can't this also be automated????

Delivery rounds have increased in size (whether volume or area) over the years, so postie can't do it in one go on foot or bike like they used to. Thus many are using their own private cars to get the job done. How many of these cars are insured for business purposes - i bet that this kind of business use would be very expensive to cover??? Cue even more pissed off posties. Also, could this be why the Post Office seems reluctant to admit to stolen mailbags, which seems to be occurring on a much more regular basis (thus more missing letters)??

Feel free to correct any misapprehensions, and perhaps add some of your own "things that need to be sorted" items!

Cheers,

mb

PG

Dave,
Dont rise to the bait!!

Pete knows everything there is to know about our job so we are just going to have to live with it

Anyway, back to my second job, then watch some TV in training for when I get back to work.......well only when I am not playing twister or something

Paul

misty

P.G.
Glad there is a bit of backup mate, I needed it. Cheers.
dave

misty

P.G.
Glad there is a bit of backup mate, I needed it. Cheers.
dave
P.S.
Anyway, without the second job, how could I run two scoobs on what they pay us!!!!

PG

had to sell mine 'cos I couldnt afford to run it

Scoob99

iTrader: (1)

Chip,
You say you only get one post collection per day? is it that the box where you put your post just says 5.30pm? if that is the case I can answer that, Royal mail took the policy to change box plates to just one time instead of 3 I think you might find you collections are still at the same times but as i say the box plate says 5.30PM, If I am wrong then you as a customer have the right to complain to your local office that the mail is not being collected, and the matter will be investigated by the office collections manager, because mail is wilfully being delaid, as for your postman stealing your mail, why should you have the right to have a go at every postman just because your mail was stolen, sadly it is an every day thing, and the company try to do everything possible to stop it happening, finally I am a member of the CWU but I am not a union rep.
Cheers
Colin

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Scoob99

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Boomer,
Yes the automated machines you see on TV separate the letters into the different postcode areas,when the postcode was bought in around 30 years ago that was the idea to get the mail to the customer quicker, but sadly, like every good idea this did go by the wayside, we do get certain items come in already sorted but the bulk of a delivery still has to be sorted and the delivery thrown up by the guy in the mornings, plus we have all the crap mail everybody gets plus leaflets etc.
As far as I'm aware mail should never be taken out in private cars, but different office managers act accordindly and turn a blind eye to it, I personally think it is wrong mail should never be carried in private cars, as for the insurance it is down to the individual postman to sort it out, as he would not be covered by royal mail.
Cheers
Colin

boomer

Scoob99,

thanks for the real-world info

It does seem a bit crazy that you can install sat-nav in your car for a few hundred pounds that will guide you from anywhere directly to any house in Europe; yet letters, that are already bar-coded just end up in sacks to be sorted by hand. It can't be hard to design a machine to accept a chosen route, and pre-sort all these letters in order for easy delivery?

And as for the junk mail, i wonder if any of the senior management have calculated the cost of delivering it? Sure, a Postie needs to walk every street - but visiting every address just to tell people about some bath-lift is bound to impact a delivery round unless you increase staff to cover it. As an aside, i always laugh when junk mail arrives in an envelope marked "delivered by hand" - well how else is it supposed to be delivered

As for the moving of sacks for the delivery itself - i heard about a trial scheme whereby a team of Posties would arrive in an area in a single Post Office van, then fan out to deliver mail on rounds, returning to collect further bags (for further rounds) from the van as required. Not only does it seem quite sensible, but the Posties themselves liked the idea (safe, secure, teamwork etc.). Have you heard anything about this trail????

Just trying to put a positive slant on things!

Oh, (back to topic) and no they shouldn't strike, but they should get a decent wage and utilise technology properly (management issue) to improve working conditions - but this needs B.Liar to stop enforcing targets and start actually trying to solve real problems [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

mb