WRX STi6 Type R Limited corner
19 September 2003, 11:05 AM
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Omen, i paid 15k for mine.
talizman, not too sure what is actually the quickest scooby of all time, but the Type R does a 0-60 in 4.3sec (figure i got from Jap Perforance mag when they had it head to head with the P1 (which the Type R came out tops
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the lightweight stripped out RA scooby is the non sti version - WRX RA (but only 260bhp), the STi Type R also saves weight by being 2 door, and think the new Spec C is quoted in the low 4's too...
[Edited by peccy - 9/19/2003 11:16:41 AM]
talizman, not too sure what is actually the quickest scooby of all time, but the Type R does a 0-60 in 4.3sec (figure i got from Jap Perforance mag when they had it head to head with the P1 (which the Type R came out tops
)the lightweight stripped out RA scooby is the non sti version - WRX RA (but only 260bhp), the STi Type R also saves weight by being 2 door, and think the new Spec C is quoted in the low 4's too...
[Edited by peccy - 9/19/2003 11:16:41 AM]
19 September 2003, 12:38 PM
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Nope, there definitely is an STi RA.
See here
Same spec as WRX RA except with 280+ bhp and water spray and different interior.
Either way, the RA has no underseal, no rear wing, no stereo, no electric windows, cheaper seats and loss of sound deadening materials from the cabin have been omitted.
Plus, and I may be totally wrong here, but doesn't the 2 door shell weigh more than a 4 door due to the extra strength/stiffening of chassis etc?
If so, couple the lighter weight of the 4 door, with the additional lard removed, and the same engine with short ratios and you've got a very fast car indeed. (acceleration wise)
See here
Same spec as WRX RA except with 280+ bhp and water spray and different interior.
Either way, the RA has no underseal, no rear wing, no stereo, no electric windows, cheaper seats and loss of sound deadening materials from the cabin have been omitted.
Plus, and I may be totally wrong here, but doesn't the 2 door shell weigh more than a 4 door due to the extra strength/stiffening of chassis etc?
If so, couple the lighter weight of the 4 door, with the additional lard removed, and the same engine with short ratios and you've got a very fast car indeed. (acceleration wise)
19 September 2003, 12:43 PM
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Gedi, yes will do (next week), i got it back ordered to read and make my mind up on wether to buy a P1 or Type R. makes good reading, some interesting comments... "the p1 is blunted by the prodrive ecu"
19 September 2003, 12:47 PM
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talizman, yes but i meant the STI RA (280bhp) does have the spoiler and electrics and better interior etc, its the non sti WRX RA (260bhp )that is more stripped out one.
[Edited by peccy - 9/19/2003 12:48:46 PM]
[Edited by peccy - 9/19/2003 12:48:46 PM]
19 September 2003, 12:57 PM
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I was under the impression that the STI version of the RA was almost identical to the WRX bar the engine and interior etc.
I didn't realise that it had the spoiler and all the electrics.
Anyway, found some data on weights etc...
A 4 door UK classic weighs 1235kg, so an RA will weigh a good bit less (100kg or so?)
A P1 weighs 1283kgs, so not sure if the centre diff etc will add any weight to the type R but it can't be any lighter.
The STI RA and Type R have same engines and the RA has the same gear ratios as early Type R's (Version 3 + 4) as the later Type R's were given longer gear ratios, so AFAIK, the RA is the quickest accelerating Impreza ever.
Interesting debate however.
I didn't realise that it had the spoiler and all the electrics.
Anyway, found some data on weights etc...
A 4 door UK classic weighs 1235kg, so an RA will weigh a good bit less (100kg or so?)
A P1 weighs 1283kgs, so not sure if the centre diff etc will add any weight to the type R but it can't be any lighter.
The STI RA and Type R have same engines and the RA has the same gear ratios as early Type R's (Version 3 + 4) as the later Type R's were given longer gear ratios, so AFAIK, the RA is the quickest accelerating Impreza ever.
Interesting debate however.
19 September 2003, 04:00 PM
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Link is an ECU swap. Would be ok std with Optimax and booster but I played safe and got 330hp too...
See www.BRDEVELOPMENTS.co.uk.
I got the ECU package 2nd hand for 500 and got it fitted + a Link water spray module for another 500. Love it even more now.
Taliz, as std the STI RA and STI R come as you say, alu panels, no radio or sound deadening. But how many stay minus a radio etc... Only extra weight the R has is the rear wing and I bet that weighs less than the extra steel used to incorporate the rear doors...but anyway... 2 door is rarer!
Love mine to bits. Off to Powerstation tomorrow for the bumpsteer and some new rubber.
Ace!
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PS Will post pics when I can be ar5ed.
See www.BRDEVELOPMENTS.co.uk.I got the ECU package 2nd hand for 500 and got it fitted + a Link water spray module for another 500. Love it even more now.
Taliz, as std the STI RA and STI R come as you say, alu panels, no radio or sound deadening. But how many stay minus a radio etc... Only extra weight the R has is the rear wing and I bet that weighs less than the extra steel used to incorporate the rear doors...but anyway... 2 door is rarer!
Love mine to bits. Off to Powerstation tomorrow for the bumpsteer and some new rubber.
Ace!
DR
PS Will post pics when I can be ar5ed.
19 September 2003, 04:59 PM
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I take your point Dave but its a fact that the 2 door Impreza is heavier than a comparable 4 door one.
As said above
Classic saloon - 1235kg
P1 2 door - 1260kg
And an RA even with a radio will still be a lot less than 1235kg
As said above
Classic saloon - 1235kg
P1 2 door - 1260kg
And an RA even with a radio will still be a lot less than 1235kg
19 September 2003, 08:37 PM
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15K is a good price Peccy! Whats the mileage?
Talizman - i know abouts cocos scooby. Ive seen it for the last few weeks. It is mint and a decent price. Infact before i even read your comments ive posted to his thread earlier today. Dont know whether to hold out for the v5 tho!
What do peeps think. 11K for STi v4 Type R or 13/14K for v5 OR 15/16 for a v6 but i aint ever seen one for sale! OR 17/18 for a P1? I think p1 is well outta my proce range at the mo but its the parts and servicing that makes it more attractive. Also the fact its designed for UK fuel (i think) and you aint got the added cost of running octane booster. Soz to hijack ya thread a bit there peccy but there aint many pics!!
Ill start another thread if you wish??
Talizman - i know abouts cocos scooby. Ive seen it for the last few weeks. It is mint and a decent price. Infact before i even read your comments ive posted to his thread earlier today. Dont know whether to hold out for the v5 tho!
What do peeps think. 11K for STi v4 Type R or 13/14K for v5 OR 15/16 for a v6 but i aint ever seen one for sale! OR 17/18 for a P1? I think p1 is well outta my proce range at the mo but its the parts and servicing that makes it more attractive. Also the fact its designed for UK fuel (i think) and you aint got the added cost of running octane booster. Soz to hijack ya thread a bit there peccy but there aint many pics!!
Ill start another thread if you wish??
19 September 2003, 08:51 PM
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Omen,
£11 for coco's V4 is well cheap, esp. with the OZ 18's and the recent mods like Blitz Nur Spec and STI 5 spoiler.
As I said on his thread, I wish I hadn't just splashed out £13k on a Clio Cup!
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£11 for coco's V4 is well cheap, esp. with the OZ 18's and the recent mods like Blitz Nur Spec and STI 5 spoiler.
As I said on his thread, I wish I hadn't just splashed out £13k on a Clio Cup!
Cheers
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19 September 2003, 11:02 PM
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Omen, sure was that why i snapped it up even before i sold mine! there 1 other for sale i know off but thats £20k - http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www...mance&pageid=1
if you not sure what to buy in a Type R and P1 like i was then im gonna scan and post an article in the July/Aug'00 issue of Jap Performance were they have them head to head, made my mind up!
ill mail ya the link...
if you not sure what to buy in a Type R and P1 like i was then im gonna scan and post an article in the July/Aug'00 issue of Jap Performance were they have them head to head, made my mind up!
ill mail ya the link...
19 September 2003, 11:13 PM
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why not post the link up here peccy, I'm sure we'd all like to see it.
Not sure about the Type R at 20 grand tho'.
One of the main advantages the Type R has over the P1 is that its usually around 4 - 5 garnd cheaper, but thats about £3k dearer than a lot of W reg P1's now...
Not sure about the Type R at 20 grand tho'.
One of the main advantages the Type R has over the P1 is that its usually around 4 - 5 garnd cheaper, but thats about £3k dearer than a lot of W reg P1's now...
20 September 2003, 03:17 AM
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Talizaman I would say £11 is extremely cheap!!! hehe Been in contact with him tonight. Will see how things pan out. Had too much to drink to talk sense. Catch u 2moz.
Peccy - 20K is far too much for what i can afford bud! :-/
[Edited by Omen - 9/20/2003 3:18:35 AM]
hehe Been in contact with him tonight. Will see how things pan out. Had too much to drink to talk sense. Catch u 2moz.Peccy - 20K is far too much for what i can afford bud! :-/
[Edited by Omen - 9/20/2003 3:18:35 AM]
20 September 2003, 10:20 AM
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Talizman, just to clear up the weight issue of the Type R.
When i shipped my car to england a couple of years back on the bill of laden from the shippers it had the measured weight of 1174kgs, and that was with a full tank of petrol as well.
Now i would assume that to be quite accurate as they need to know how much can be put on the ship in the first place due to weight capacity they have.
But any way quickest accerating impreza would have to be a WRX RA as said on this thread because they are the ones which are fully stripped out and have no spoiler and even the alloy wheels are optional!
Anyway, Peccy I imagine your not getting much sleep at night waiting to get your car I know I was
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Mel.
When i shipped my car to england a couple of years back on the bill of laden from the shippers it had the measured weight of 1174kgs, and that was with a full tank of petrol as well.
Now i would assume that to be quite accurate as they need to know how much can be put on the ship in the first place due to weight capacity they have.
But any way quickest accerating impreza would have to be a WRX RA as said on this thread because they are the ones which are fully stripped out and have no spoiler and even the alloy wheels are optional!
Anyway, Peccy I imagine your not getting much sleep at night waiting to get your car I know I was
.Mel.
20 September 2003, 10:47 AM
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MelTypeR, yep 2 month is along time to wait and with no scooby at all!, had a dream about it last night! wtf!
gives me plenty of time to read about them and start planning mods and stats etc...
the type R is 35kg lighter then a P1
the stripped out WRX RA as 20bhp less power (260bhp) then a type R (at least 280bhp)
...yep ill post the article about Type R V P1 up here when back at work next week.
gives me plenty of time to read about them and start planning mods and stats etc...
the type R is 35kg lighter then a P1
the stripped out WRX RA as 20bhp less power (260bhp) then a type R (at least 280bhp)
...yep ill post the article about Type R V P1 up here when back at work next week.
21 September 2003, 10:07 AM
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They're all very fast motors... Just depends how big your 'trouser boys' are to see exactly how fast...
Had the full Bumpsteer mod done at Powerstation in Cheltenham yesterday just after I had a set of F1's fitted. Car is even more amazing now. Thought 120 + VAT was steep for a glorified alignment check but Dirk spent over 3 hours getting it just right!
Money well spent, and anyway saved more than that haggling over the tyres!
DR
Had the full Bumpsteer mod done at Powerstation in Cheltenham yesterday just after I had a set of F1's fitted. Car is even more amazing now. Thought 120 + VAT was steep for a glorified alignment check but Dirk spent over 3 hours getting it just right!
Money well spent, and anyway saved more than that haggling over the tyres!
DR
21 September 2003, 06:04 PM
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the engine map in a P1 is identical to an STi5/6. The only diference is they have a slightly more sensitive knock correction algorithm in the software and the speed input calc for the ECU is for MPH rather than KPH.
STi5 TypeRA Limited's are slightly lighter than TypeR Limited's, they have thinner glass and no underseal. Some of the limited STi's have a higher 5th gear than non limited STi's (22MPH/1000rpm rather than 19.4MPH/1000rpm), some of the TypeR's have a quickrack, some dont, all the TypeRA's have a quickrack, but some are 2.5 turns lock to lock, some have the 22B rack that is 2.25 turns lock to lock. Some of the TypeRA's have a front LSD, the TypeR's have an open front LSD.
The TypeRA's are faster, but its such a small amount its not really worth talking about for most people.
I like my STi V TypeRA Limited (note, none of them are called V-Limited, its just Limited)
STi5 TypeRA Limited's are slightly lighter than TypeR Limited's, they have thinner glass and no underseal. Some of the limited STi's have a higher 5th gear than non limited STi's (22MPH/1000rpm rather than 19.4MPH/1000rpm), some of the TypeR's have a quickrack, some dont, all the TypeRA's have a quickrack, but some are 2.5 turns lock to lock, some have the 22B rack that is 2.25 turns lock to lock. Some of the TypeRA's have a front LSD, the TypeR's have an open front LSD.
The TypeRA's are faster, but its such a small amount its not really worth talking about for most people.
I like my STi V TypeRA Limited (note, none of them are called V-Limited, its just Limited)
21 September 2003, 09:49 PM
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I have a White WRX STI Type RA
It's very stripped out, there's no sound proofing, no aircon, no central locking, no Electric windows/mirrors. In boot, there's no panels, and on the boot floor, there's a sheet of felt.
It does have an STI RedTop Engine,Water Spray intercooler,STI Carbon Fibre Front Strut brace, Sti Suspension, STI Paddle Clutch (NIGHTMARE!), rear STI Plate Diff, and the STI monogrammed Exhaust, STI QuickSteer, Short ratio box (5th = 20mph @ 1000rpm),you can just cruise off boost on the motorway. barely. Engine output listed at 280 but feels like 900 I have some pics, and are just shrinkin' em to put on the gallery pages.
/2ob
[Edited by dead_neurons - 9/21/2003 9:51:04 PM]
It's very stripped out, there's no sound proofing, no aircon, no central locking, no Electric windows/mirrors. In boot, there's no panels, and on the boot floor, there's a sheet of felt.
It does have an STI RedTop Engine,Water Spray intercooler,STI Carbon Fibre Front Strut brace, Sti Suspension, STI Paddle Clutch (NIGHTMARE!), rear STI Plate Diff, and the STI monogrammed Exhaust, STI QuickSteer, Short ratio box (5th = 20mph @ 1000rpm),you can just cruise off boost on the motorway. barely. Engine output listed at 280 but feels like 900
I have some pics, and are just shrinkin' em to put on the gallery pages./2ob
[Edited by dead_neurons - 9/21/2003 9:51:04 PM]
22 September 2003, 02:39 AM
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280BHP Figure was jap gentlemens agreement m8 - only on paper was 300bhp in reality. Read up on Jap Scooby history before buying RA myself. STI v6 released with same spec engine and that was put at 300bhp standard..
Eitherway the RA's are quick..getting break upgrade shortly..as no ABS unlike the WRX RA which has ABS...suppose water spray and DCCD will do instead.
Eitherway the RA's are quick..getting break upgrade shortly..as no ABS unlike the WRX RA which has ABS...suppose water spray and DCCD will do instead.
22 September 2003, 10:08 PM
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The STi5/6/P1 engine produces aprox 270BHP on UK fuel in standard trim. A Decat will give you around 285BHP but will also produce boost spikes, so if you decat you need a remap to make it safe. With a remap and decat you can aim for around 305BHP before you need to make further mods. These are real power figures and not some overoptimistic RR figures.
22 September 2003, 10:15 PM
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here is my STi5 TypeRA Limited, the STi6 version looks the same but with a slightly diferent rear wing. The TypeRA doesnt have side skirts, the TypeR does.
There is pelnty of info available on the specs of the typeR/RA STi's, just do a search and you should find what you need.
There is pelnty of info available on the specs of the typeR/RA STi's, just do a search and you should find what you need.