Phil

I filled up with "ULTIMATE" this morning

Eastwood Road, Rayleigh, Essex

Attendant when asked what RON it was said " Its the same as the SUL I think"

scooby_si

lets face it thou the minimum wage peaps on the desk aint guna know or care much are they
Si

elgordano

BP Ultimate details here: BP Ultimate

Gordo

greasemonkey

Sounds like the "minimum wage person" Phil spoke to was more clued up than the (probably better paid) source who gave Ed the bum steer.

diver944

A cut and paste from that BP website:

BP Ultimate Unleaded has a research octane level of 97, which is higher than standard unleaded petrol, which has a research octane level of 95


What a waste of time.....same RON rating as their existing SUL witha shiny new name ??????

Dazza's-STi

From BP Aus-
BP Ultimate™ starts where the other petrols finish. It's a very powerful, high octane (98 RON), unleaded fuel that maximizes engine power and performance. BP Ultimate's unique formula also produces less pollution than any other Australian petrol.

it sounds no better than optimax, and as BP is usualy a penny PL more expensive then I'll still be on the Optimax still.
i think BP are just making sure they don't miss out on a sales oportunity seeing how well shell have done with the idea!

Jay m A

iTrader: (2)

My nan's mates a cleaner at Esso head office, in November they're releasing ESSO DOGS B*LLOCKS SUL

Not only does it give your car a 100BHP NOS style pseudo effect but it cleans your windscreen too



And apparently Texaco will release Hiroshima II although not on sale in the Pacific region....

Gridlock Mikey

PMSL @ Jay

Mikey

Phil Harrison

Second that

Phil

Jza

So after all the hype - its just low sulphur SUL 97 RON...

Guess i'll stick with 98.6 RON Optimax.

Anti Climax of the year?????

Jza

Jay m A

iTrader: (2)

LOL while I'm at it, Q8 are releasing WMD SUL

We don't know when we'll be able to get our hands on it, but when we do it'll take over 45 mins to fill her up

Gridlock Mikey

Anti climax Jza, that's just what happens to you isn't it?
All started when you bought one of the first bug eyes

Mikey

ozzy

A complete waste of our time. I'm disappointed because I thought for once the petrochecmical industry were about to do something exciting in the UK for once. Like most UK products, rebranding and spin is the name of the game.

I guess the large majority of the public are interested in price first and foremost. Certainly any friends and family I've asked ain't got a Scooby what the RON value actually means or whether one fuel is better than the other.

I wish people who post ala Mycroft would actually point the uneducated amongst us in the right direction So Adam and Greasemonkey, can you enlighten us as to why the RON value isn't the most important thing?

Stefan

ChristianR

iTrader: (1)

http://www.bpamoco.co.uk/ultimate/uk/petrol/default.asp

what a let down, just run of the mill sul

Nimbus

Not very "Ultimate" then is it.... Maybe we should ge them under Trades Discription....

I think I'll stick it Optimax when I have a choice...

B4 Boy (at work!)

Well here's what I sent to BP and a reply!!

QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS:
Why a 97Ron Fuel for the UK when Greece gets 100Ron?? Ultimate appears to be no improvement over your normal SUL and certainly no match for Shell Optimax at 98.6Ron. Will we ever see 100Ron fuel from BP?

And their reply.......

BP Ultimate is a new technology, produced through a very intensive development programme. That programme was the result of asking our customers what they wanted and they told us they wanted more performance with less pollution (sod the polution give us more performance...!!). So that’s what we’ve given them. And those benefits are available to ALL cars, both petrol and diesel. BP Superplus was designed for high performance petrol-engine cars. And at the risk of repeating myself, don’t forget BP Ultimate Diesel. There wasn’t a super grade of diesel. With BP Ultimate, the UK now has its first performance diesel.
It’s due to differences in the markets. In developing BP Ultimate for the UK we have sought to produce a fuel which provides significant benefits for a relatively small additional price. If we sold 100 octane BP Ultimate in the UK it would have to be significantly more expensive, and would make it less accessible to the UK motorist.

It’s not all about octane rating. Many cars do not get any advantage at all from increasing the octane number (how many Japanese import vehicles in Greece compared to the UK???!). We have tested high performance cars that are sensitive to octane and we saw no benefit for 98 versus BP Ultimate petrol in these vehicles and in some cases BP Ultimate provided more performance along with the benefits of less pollution and twice the cleaning power of ordinary fuels.

Thank you for your email, if you have any further queries please don't hesitate to call the BP Careline on 0800 402402.

so????

shizzle

Ultimate Unleaded fuel is 97 RON, however it is not Superunleaded rebranded. BP Ultimate is a new technology, produced through a very intensive development programme. That programme was the result of asking BP's customers what they wanted and they told BP they wanted more performance with less pollution. So that’s what BP gave them. And those benefits are available to ALL cars, both petrol and diesel. BP Superplus was designed for high performance petrol-engined cars.

In performance car tests BP Ultimate gives equivalent or better performance than Shell Optimax. Also BP Ultimate has twice the cleaning power of conventional fuels and will not only keep your engine clean but will also clean away deposits that are already there.

As has been stated previously, it’s not all about octane rating! BP have tested high performance cars that are sensitive to octane and we saw no benefit for 98 versus BP Ultimate petrol in these vehicles.

Unleaded-Ultimate a few figures for you:
up to 7.1% more power
up to 5.2% Sharper Acceleration
up to 5.8% improved fuel comsumption
also reduces noise up to 52%

BP Ultimate Unleaded prevents 97% of (intake valve) deposits forming.

More Performance, Less Pollution

ozzy

It's not all about clean your engine and performance. What I want is protection from det. I'll increase performance from mods as long as the fuel combusts well.

I've tried BP SUL and compared to Optimax it stank when it came to reducing detonation AND it's 2p per litre more expensive.

I'll test the new fuel myself and see how much det I get with it.

Stefan

Adam555

Hey guys - can you answer this question pls

Considering Shell Optimax is basically SUL + Octane Boosters, does adding a further octane booster like Millers or STP auctally make a difference??

Or am I just wasting money?

ozzy

The extra Octane booster is to prevent det.

If you run a jap car, then the closer to 100 RON the better. I would say Optimax + booster is best for a jap car.

My UK car runs fine on just Optimax. If it started detting badly, I'd add some booster.

Stefan

Jza

Mmmm... try telling that to

a) ECU tuners who will laugh in your face
b) People who own imported cars (that run on 100RON in Japan who have to add Octane Booster to their petrol to prevent Det and looked at Ultimate thinking it was going to be special..

What a waisted opportunity

Shame on you BP!

Jza

PS Mikey... words fail... that was a low blow m8!!!

Jap Imports

I think what everyone wants to know is, if this new BP Ultimate is safe to put in our scoobs and jap cars,if we dont know if it is safe then still use optimax. Well i'm going to.

scooby_si

what's the crack with the UK vs Greece jap import comment does greece have 100% rice rockets or sumin
Si

Gez

ScoobySi Greece has never seen an import! There are only a handful of scoobies out there. One of them posts on this board 'WREXY'. Tax laws dont are really bad on cars over 1.6 and 1.8 l cars so most people cant afford them.
If you tell me, its one big b100dy farse. And since when did BP carry out a customer survey??????
ONE thing which might be different in BP ULTIMATE might be the calrific value of the petrol. Japan measure RON in different ways to us in the UK. Ultimate might just burn differently to Optimax and SUL thus not casung soo much detonation within the engine.

Cheers

Gerry

pban

I filled up with Ultimate this morning and as soon as the fuel started to get through my knock was very busy. Normally run Optimax and the car was mapped on Esso super. I won't be using the BP stuff again me thinks.

Paul

quicksprint

They (BP) introduced a performance Diesel because this country is becoming an Diesel loving nation.............havn't you noticed how virtually every car manufacturer is pushing 'oil burners' down out throats.

How can they say that all of that smoke and soot emitted from the exhaust is less of an health risk than a petrol car(with cats )

Thank god Subaru havn't put a diesel in the Impreza....

If it was down to me i would double the price of DERV except for commercial use and triple the road tax on diesel cars...dirty,smelly...etc etc


steve

[Edited by quicksprint - 10/14/2003 7:56:43 AM]

*Sonic*

BP ULTIMATE Increase Det on my car, I will never use the stuff again

knock link was going daft on lift off