IanW

If you work by the ACPO guidelines for a 60MPH road the details are that any speed over 86MPH then a summons to court is recommended.

The magistrates have a range of punishments avaliable to them:-

• Fine upto Level 3 (£1000)
• Licence endorsed - range of penalty points available
• Disqualification
• Compulsory re-testing

It is not possible to say what you will or will not recieve as this will be down to the magistrates.

Ian

northernmadbugger

Unlucky mate my thoughts are with you I can only speak from past experience (fact) from 2 years ago.

115 on 70 limit court (with solicitor) 0 points £540 fine (£500) solicitor costs.

Something didn't work as I now have 6 points again!

northernmadbugger

oops forgot + 1 week ban

TBMeech

Not a nice experience, but we all know the risks when you press the loud pedal, at the end of the day you control how fast your vehicle is going, no-one else....

Having said that I was caught speeding on my bike in '95, went to court late '96, 132 in a 60, got 3 month ban, no points, £500 fine and £650 court costs, oh and a solictiors bill for £1000.

greasemonkey

£555 fine? In a Scooby? Either that's a big coincidence or your particular magistrate had a very warped sense of humour!

Ian E

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Grease Monkey,

I was on the motorbike - but it was a Scoob Cop Car

Cheers,

Ian.

powerman

Got to notify you with in 14 days of the offence

Elmer Fudpucker

Quote >'Got to notify you with in 14 days of the offence'<

I'm currently in a lot of bother over a speeding offence

but it took over a month for the NIP to arrive from the date of the offence!!

I returned said NIP over 6 weeks ago and still haven't received a court date!

Lets hope they've lost the paperwork

P1555ED

NIP should be sent within 14 days of offence (assuming you haven't moved) they are out of time!

Get a solicitor or ask to speak to court duty solicitor on the day, if you get a summons to court.

BlackScoobyWRX

Judge or Magistrate Pockman? Not heard of anyone getting a ban and points - either one or the other (+ the fine of course).

Scooby-Doo

I'm missing out here.............my car won't even do a hundred

bartmanuk

pi555ed is right,if you dont get the NIP within 14 days then the case is a non starter,(prob wont even go to court)!!!

Gymbal

Sympathies to galv but 125 is reasonable on a good straight, no schools houses etc etc etc.

(was it uphill?)

Like to see what I could do in a Scoob..... one day

Flame suit on!

TheVoices

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Have to add my twopence worth,obviously depends on the road and prevailing conditions but the 60mph limit is a joke.An arbitary figure set more than 30 years ago backed up by no research whatsoever.Compare the safety margin of your average family car 30 years ago (ie drum brakes no abs,primitive tyre technology etc) to the performance envelope of any new car,let alone an Impreza and its obvious to anyone that speed limits need to be reviewed.As people are fond of telling me its still the law but so was transportation to the colonies for life for stealing a loaf of bread until people decided that might be a bit harsh.I'm also astonished that anyone on this forum would be 'horrified' ,seemingly,by someone doing 103mph on a straight dry road.Why else buy a Scooby ?.Best of luck.

greasemonkey

Er, what about all the other road users?

What would you do if you came barelling round a blind corner on a country road only to find a group of cyclists, a tractor or a herd of cows in the middle of the road? The capabilities of your car are less of an issue than the fact that most cars don't have that much grip or that good brakes. Most motorists have poor reactions, and no idea whatsoever of risk assessment, or indeed car control when things start going pear-shaped.

Speed limits are set with a number of factors in mind - not just you and your car. You're right, BTW, the speed limits on out of town roads should be reviewed (and it's pretty clear that both Labour and Tories plan to do so), but far from being raised, there are many cases where 60mph limits are clearly too fast.

TheVoices

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You are quite right,there are many roads where the posted speed limit is too high but as for other road users,surely they also have some responsibilities with regard to their own safety.I live in a fairly rural area with country roads posted as 60mph limits infested by packs of cyclists riding several abreast,,horse riders two,sometimes three abreast.If these people wish to commit suicide there are better ways to do it.Better driver education with regard to car handling and how to react in an emergency would also be beneficial,the only point I am trying to make is that blanket speed limits catering for the lowest common denominator in terms of reactions and ability are surely not the way forward.

greasemonkey

Unfortunately, blanket speed limits aimed at the lowest common denominator are the only ways to contain the lowest common denominator.

RichiW

Good old Scoobynet and all the 'Holy than thou's'




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Best of luck m8, we arent all are self righteous ******* and some of us other users also like to put our foot down

galv

cheers matey, if you drive slow why have a scooby?

Leslie

You did ask the question in the first place Galv, and even if you felt you wanted encouragement, the fact is that you can expect a significant fine and loss of your licence. What else is a magistrate going to do when told you were 43+ mph over the top in a 60 limit. You would have to find a very good excuse to escape all that.

We always get the people who want to tell us how they have driven so fast on the roads and that anyone who criticises is insulted and said not to deserve to own a Scoob. Paul Woodward and Greasemonkey were talking good commonsense. Voices, there were some very good fast cars 30-40 years ago which in the hands of a good driver would handle as well as the average Scoob. Cars like Lotus Elans,Elites, Europas, Mini Cooper S's, well tweaked Cortinas, Lotus Cortinas, especially the Mk 1, Caterhams, to mention a few. Even the big old Jaguars could be wheeled through corners amazingly fast. Nothing wrong with the tyres either and they had disc brakes too. I personally feel that ABS is often a liability under certain conditions of fast driving. The really big factor of course is the density of traffic. In those days you could drop your motor bike, pick yourself up, pick the bike up, check it for damage,wheel it to the side of the road, check yourself out, all before a car appeared in sight! With the average amount of traffic now, there is no way it would be safe to increase speed limits on single carriageway roads for that reason and also for Greasemonkey's reasons. Another strong factor is the state of today's roads which are a disgrace. Obviously very significant to a biker but also important to car drivers. Even if a road appears to be clear, traffic is always likely to appear very quickly. Horses and cyclists also have every right in law to use the roads. Another factor to bear in mind by a good driver.

There are very few of us who don't exceed the speed limit under safe conditions especially in our types of car. There is the matter of degree however, and I dont believe there is a case for the extreme speeds quoted on this thread. If the majority of drivers did that there would be absolute carnage on the roads. If you want to drive the car to its limits, do a track day or two so you can find out how good you really are. You might be surprised!

Les

Edited for spelling!

[Edited by Leslie - 10/18/2003 2:17:45 PM]

greasemonkey

Thanks Leslie for injecting a bit more balance.

Why have a Scooby if you have no driving licence?

Who said the rest of us drive "slow" Galv?

The imperative is to drive with consideration for the other people/things you encounter on the public road, as well as equal consideration of the need to retain the right to drive.

If you want to drive as fast as you can, the place to do it is on the track, or, if you think you're that good, something you need a racing licence to enter.

Ian_S

so they can pose and pick up 15 year old school girls

tow a caravan

use it on the farm

wonder which one it is for all the do gooders?

hedgehog

I think the bottom line is that you should drive such that you can stop in the distance you can see to be clear. On twisty roads with hedges and the like then the speed at which you can go around a corner safely is often a lot, lot lower than the speed at which physics of the car would allow it to go around the corner without the risk of losing grip. This is a very fundamental point overlooked by many drivers, including some who get carried away by the superior "handling" of their sports cars.

On a straight section of road, then, potentially the maximum speed at which it is safe to travel could be greatly in excess of the posted speed limit. Under such circumstances the speed at which it is safe to overtake is the speed at which you spend the least time on the "wrong" side of the road, taking into account the potential for the road surface to upset the balance of your vehicle.

In this specific case 103 sounds a little excessive but we all know that if you pull out to pass two cars that are travelling at 55mph and you give it some with the loud pedal then when you pull in your speed is likely to be well in excess of 80mph. Have a bit of fun in the process, even for a few seconds, and 103 is a possibility.

The police and various camera scams across the country are not concerned with road safety but with making cash, this is why their target for 2004 is the issuing of 3 million tickets and not the reduction of road deaths by 50 percent.

I don't know the exact circumstances surrounding Galv's case, perhaps he is a nutter as some suggest and we are better with him off the road, on the other hand perhaps he just performed an overtaking manoeuvre in an efficient manner but with a little excess gusto and he always drives in the distance he can see to be clear. If the latter is true then, in truth, he is probably a lot safer than the vast majority of drivers we meet on the roads every day. Unfortunately the various systems put in place to extract money from motorists are not well positioned to establish the actual truth of Galv's real ability and so, to save time and money, they will assume the worst.

With more and more enforcement resources being poured into profit generation by placing cameras/vans/police on the sections of road where it is reasonable and safe to overtake most of us are just a few seconds, and a few inches of movement of the right foot, away from losing our license, income, job and freedom.

Robertio

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Can only say good luck Galv, suspect a short ban is on the cards.

I often wonder how half the scoobynet community overtake other vehicles. If I accelerate to overtake a car following a bus at 55 my car will be doing an indicated 120 when I pull back onto my side of the road (have tested this). Even just overtaking a car doing 50-60 takes the car to the very top of 3rd which is about the speed you are in trouble for. Maybe they never overtake, or maybe they pull out at 60, sit on the wrong side of the road for 20 seconds (only being able to overtake on a 3 mile clear straight) and pull back over

Heaven help them if they ever decide to put an aftermarket ECU in they'll have to hire an airfield to get it mapped.

I don't drive quickly on the road these days, but know I could still end up in big trouble every time I go past a slow moving car.

Annual rant over (same time, same place next year OK with everyone?)

TheVoices

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Glad to have provoked some debate first time out!Whilst lot of valid points being made,I would like to point out that I'm not advocating abolition of speed limits across the board just that I feel some of them need to be reviewed.With regard to other road users,you would consider a cyclist or horse rider a lunatic if you came across them on a motorway with a 70mph limit yet it seems that on an A road with a posted limit of only 10mph less it's up to everyone else to avoid them?.Times change and whilst not saying that the rights of the majority should always take precedence,there seem to be a hell of a lot of car drivers who want to get from A to B at a reasonable pace,should we slow them all down to the speed of the slowest or least able road users?

TheVoices

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Ran out of space on previous reply.Robertio,I'm with you on the overtaking point.Hedgehog,if you drove strictly by the rule of only as fast as you can see to be clear,you'd have to slow down to 20mph on half of the corners I encounter but you're absolutely right in principal.Leslie,whilst in the right hands some of the cars you mentioned were very capable,in the same hands an equaly 'sorted' Subaru or Evo would chew them up and spit them out on real roads.I was really using std. road going versions of modern and older cars as a comparison ie. mid range Cortina Vs mid range Mondeo,know which one I'd choose.I'm no race driver but in my job with Jaguar I do get to drive a wide variety of cars.

greasemonkey

Yes, indeed we would, as both are legally prohibited from being on a motorway. However, I regularly see cyclists on other dual carriageways. It's no big deal, I see the cyclist(s), check my mirrors, indicate right, pull into lane two, overtake and pull back in, just as I would if overtaking any other vehicle. I'm sure you were taught the same technique when you passed your test - assuming you have of course.

Damn right it is. Are you taking the p*ss? Don't forget that the speed limit is a speed limit , not a speed guideline. If the road conditions aren't safe enough for you to travel at the prevailing speed limit, you engage brain and middle pedal and slow down, it's simple enough.

It's up to you, as the driver, to drive in a manner that would enable you to avoid colliding with anything and anyone on the road, be it a horse, cyclist, tractor, pedestrian, dog, cat, another car, or whatever you happen to find round the next corner, or emerging out of the next gate.

Cyclists and horseriders, tractors and whatever else have as much legal right to use these non-motorway roads as you do, so yes, it's up to you to drive with sufficient consideration. If you want to drive in a manner that puts you in line to become the subject of a "Speeding lunatic kills child, 12" type headline, it is of course your option. Please buy another brand of car before you do kill/seriously injure someone though, so the rest of us don't get tarred with your brush.

Possibly not the way you appear to think. With the politicians trying desperately to get Fat Britain off its collective bum and out getting fit, as well as use more environmentally friendly forms of transport, there are likely to be more and more cyclists around in future, and with the various pressure groups becoming more and more vocal, if anything, out of town single carriageway speed limits are likely to be revised down rather than up.

The Tories are already suggesting this as part of their transport policy - but alongside the abolition of most speed cameras and raising the motorway speed limit, so at least the motorists who want to get from A to B at a reasonable (and safe) pace won't have the p*ss ripped out of them to the extent happening at the moment.

Car drivers are already entitled to get from A to B at a reasonable pace. They are not, however, entitled to drive dangerously, or without consideration of other road users. Also don't forget that most of these drivers will be using the motorway network. Country roads should by definition be quiet, safe places, they are not racetracks for frustrated Colin McRae or Valentino Rossi wannabes.

Lol! No, and I don't recall anyone suggesting that we should. Next you'll be suggesting that tractors should be banned from country roads on the grounds that they slow car drivers down...?

^OPM^

i do feel sorry for u-i must admit to momuntary lapses of concentration as well and well it happens and in a scooby u can exceed speed limits very fast-just think cops should try to catch a real criminal like a burglar who is 100% certain if he goes out to cause misery for people-unlike if u r caught speeding its a case of...well u mite of caused an accident u mite of killed someone u mite of etc etc just a lot of mite haves-get burglars muggars etc -no mite haves about them -they will always cause pain and anguish-just my view-after seeing cases of people getting longer in jail for speeding when at end of day they didn't harm anyone it was just all mite ifs etc-but if u glass someone in a fight-u get a slapped wrist a bit of community service-i know which i think is worse-say no more....

[Edited by ^OPM^ - 10/19/2003 2:26:26 AM]

^OPM^

may i also add i own a diesel mondeo-which has 4 practically brand new tyres on it and till other month my scoob was on limits with tyres-but i can very safely say on a wet road specially my scooby with nearly bald tyres felt so so much sure footed then my mondeo with about 7 mm grip so as someone said about speed limits being set 30 years ago well i know i felt so much safer in scooby with 1.6 mm tread on tyres to a mondeo with 7 mm tread on tyres-yet cops in a week or 2 could of had me for illegal tyres on scooby-still know which was by a very very very large margin safer on a road-wet or dry

Leslie

Voices,

Your point about comparative standard cars is quite right of course. I was trying to indicate that there were some very capable roadgoing cars in those days as well, and that driving conditions are unrecognisably different these days. I would say that if you have to accelerate to 120 mph in order to overtake then you should have picked a safer stretch to carry out the manoeuvre. One point worth making is that overtaking can cause distress and worry to other drivers who have a different outlook to driving, especially if you pick a bit of a "tight" length of road to do it. The whole point is that the roads are there to enable us all to get from A to B and not to practise our skills at handling a car at other people's expense. I held an RAC full international track licence for 15 years and none of my racing driver mates would drive fast on the public roads because they felt it was not safe and unfair on other road users. Different matter on the track though!

We have to face it, these days there just is not the space on public roads to drive at three figure speeds. It is totally selfish even if you feel immortal yourself. If you get caught for it, then you can expect little sympathy any more.

Edited to add, Robertio, I think your post is unnecessarily insulting to sensible Scooby drivers most of whom may well be far more skilful and able to drive fast but more safely than you. Patience and the ability to pick the right place to overtake are a required virtue more than ever these days.

Les

[Edited by Leslie - 10/19/2003 11:33:49 AM]