Andy555

Back to the top,

As you can see, we can have a weekend morning at Reading. So who wants to participate in this in a weekend in Feb?????????

Fatman

A weekend test in Reading would be perfect for me.

RayC

Hi Chaps

happy new year! i've been enjoying the sunshine in a non crap warm country!!

who is up for the burton test and i will ring to confirm times, places and costs

i also have to fit me replacement after the original squealed all the time, formthe sounds of it these things are not reliable

Ray

rotty

I should be ok for Burton

RayC

Top for the night shift

scooby_si

Burton is good for me still but 7th of Feb maybe an isssue....
Si

matty01

Anyone know the max penalty for interfering with a speed gun by a diffuser please, i.e. can you get points for it (I wouldn't have thought so but you never know)

big500

I presume technically you would be guilty of perverting the cause of justice ( a crime that carries a maximum penalty of casteration by housebrick) but that is assuming the policeman who tried to laser you realised somethimg was amiss before you passed him. Bear in mind that the laser guns have a max range of nearly 1km
Also if you are doing say 60 in a 30 limit then unless I am mistaken you could be prosecuted for speeding in the competent opinion of the officer

Just fit the remote garage door opener that this threads all about and you should be able to sleep better

Steve

( an EX apprehensive LRC100 fan )

Andy555

Matty01, don't f'ing worry about it. Live on the wild side!!
If you place the switch in a obscure place and just have the buzzer, the only way that they are going to be able to tell if you got one is by seeing the diffuser unit. There are loads of excuses so don't worry, you will get ulcers.

I am up for Feb, what about the week after, 14th Feb????

scooby_si

sounds good it'll be romatic init
Si

RayC

i will mail the guy and get some alternantives

if the police dont use the house brick method my missus would if i blew her out on valentines day to do something with the car!

RayC

top as no one is speaking to me!

mwp

wtfayoa

Gooner

RayC,
I am!
I am still looking for 2 tests, one for the van and one for the car.
7th Feb is out as I am at a track day with SIDC at Bedofrd.
I also have a contact for the man who does the tests in Reading.
Cheers
David (Gooner)

rotty

Any news on this ?

Fatman

RayC: please drop me an email. ben_hooper(at)hotmail.com

bartmanuk

THE LEGALIITIES
Radar Detectors
As of Feb 1998 these units are legal to own and use in the UK.

RCD X u K band jammer:
This is an 'active' radar jammer and as such it's use in the UK can contravene the 1948 Wireless and Telegraphy Act. Therefore, these units are sold on an export basis only.

Laser jammers (K40 8t Target 850/Laser ECHO):
Slight 'grey area', but generally considered non-criminal. If questioned never admit to the laser jammers true function. They also double up as remote control senders (really) to open garage doors for example, so this is the use you should state.

Our best legal advice suggests Laser jammers may be considered legal to own and use as there is no statute against the emission of infra red or laser light, as long as it is not causing harm or injury to persons, animals or property.

Technically there may be a case for prosecution under the Intent to Pervert the Course of justice Act, but only if you admit its intent to jam! However, this is somewhat of a general-purpose-law originally intended for serious infractions of the police/court system and as we are currently unaware of any such successful prosecution for the use of a jamming device, the debate is open as to whether the Crown Prosecution service would carry through such a prosecution.

GPS Devices.
Products such as Origin Blue; Road Angel; Cyclops etc are completely legal to own and use.

Stealth Plate.
Legal to own and use, until you hit the switch and blank out your number plate.....

THINGS THE POLICE WON'T TELL YOU...
In 1999 a government funded research organisation, the Transport Research Laboratory (TRL) teamed up with the Department of the Environment Traffic and Regions (DETR) to answer the question "What causes road accidents?"

They undertook a six-month investigation in conjunction with eight police forces into contributing factors of accidents. The results were eye-opening and not entirely what the government and local authoroties would like you to know.

According to the report, excessive speed was only one of many contributing factors in only 7.3% of accidents over the six month test period. The study concluded excessive speed was a definite cause of an accident in only 6% of all accidents they investigated.


Another TRL study (also government funded) reported "it cannot be assumed that reductions in speed by a particular driver will result in any accident reductions whatsoever".


The reports establish that there is an association between speed and accidents, but that also many important variables come into play, such as age, experience and exposure.


Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 states "You are obliged to inform the police of who was in charge of the vehicle when it was detected speeding by a Gatso or other speed measuring device that takes a photograph of the speeding offence". However, a law was passed on 2nd October which gives everyone the right to a fair trial. Incriminating yourself by admitting you were in charge of the vehicle contravenes this new law and also your rights under Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Whilst you still have to tell the police who was using the vehicle at the time of the offence, you should still be able to challenge any attempt to use this information in court. If they can't prove who the driver was, they can't prove their case.


A Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) is the letter telling you the police are going to prosecute you for a motoring offence. The police must give you this notice of fixed penalty or give you written or verbal confirmation that you are going to be convicted within 14 days. If they fail to do this, THEY CANNOT LEGALLY CONVICT YOU. This includes offences by Gatso or similar.

Always check on the details on the NIP; is the date of the offence correct? The registration of the vehicle etc? If there is any misspelling or anything wrong, you should write back to whoever it came from, informing them of the error and saying you look forward to hearing their thoughts on the matter. They can't legally send you an amended one and will reply saying it doesn't matter. Politely tell them this is not the case, or seek a lawyer who will do so.


Advice from a magistrate (anonymous).

If you get a letter requesting the identity of the driver for a speeding offence taken by a Gatso camera, write back saying "I am unable to supply the information." You may get another request; do the same again. However they threaten you, keep tight lipped and whatever you do, don't lie. They may drop it. Your defence is you can't supply the details as it may be a confession and you are not obliged to confess anything. They may charge you with failure to supply the information, but stand firm and say you are going to appeal. It is illegal for the police to coerce you into a confession with threats of any kind.


If you are stopped by the side of the road for speeding, be nice, be polite. It may save your licence. Once the policeman has finished informing you of the charges and speed, ask him to produce the Certificate of Calibration for the laser, radar, Vascar or other device that he has used to 'speed trap' you. If he cannot produce this, you cannot be prosecuted.

scooby_si

good info there although isn't it the case that they only have to of made the effort to contact you within 14days ie prove they sent the NIP to the address they have for that car if it gets lost in post then it's no defense as they only have to show that it was posted not received!
Si

Gatso Busters

Hey Bartman i'm impressed ..... great info ...

How is the Micro Road Pilot ..?

Cheers

Robert

rotty

decided to get my LRC100 tested last saturday , all was well

mine is linked to a Origin B2 , the diffuser alert didnt go off though , the person testing phoned a colleague and this normally the case

bartmanuk

hehe i like to do my homework m8...lol
not really,just come across it by accident,was reading about something else and found it on the same site,
and the micro road pilot is the nuts m8,luvvin it!!!!
oh and i got ian at rochester signs to put me graphics on for me,ive put a thread in members gallery with a few pics.....

Jamie

SimonJM

Hi guys,

Check out this link - some very interesting facts / tips on trying to avoid getting done with a NIP.
Lots to read and plenty of good links.

The long and short of it - complete a form, but don't sign it or get someone else to complete the form on your behalf (a solicitor)

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/unsigned.html

Safe and careful driving

Simon

Edited to correct spelling mistakes!!!

[Edited by SimonJM - 1/26/2004 11:16:46 PM]