scoobylav

As someone mentioned in another thread. It's OK saying its only metal its insured and so on - but when your no claims are gone how many of us could afford to reinsure the scoob when you get it back / get a replacement ????

You can take my scoob . . . . if you get past me first.

Jiggerypokery

They can take my scoob, but first I'll give them something faster.

MadMark

I hate hearing this, but the guy I know offers 2 systems to help beat these idiots:

1. KeyCard immobiliser. Just keep a this Credit Card in your wallet. Then if hijacked / car keys taken from house (as long as you keep your wallet upstairs) - car goes into shut down mode once out of range of your wallet (100-150m) and 1-2 mins later it stops!

2. Hidden Transponder (Thatcham Approved I think). Place Immobiliser anywhere in Car (like in headlining or door panel) - it arms after 5 seconds of ignition off - and you have to touch keyring over place where it is hidden for 3 or 4 secs to disarm! So sweeping it around the car won't work ....

Both are around the £200 mark I think .....

S Page

Scoobylav

Yes that was my reply on the other thread about insurance.

Maybe some of you should phone up an insurance company and pose as new customer and get a quote for a scooby and tell them you have no no claims bonus, you've just had a claim for value of your scoob, i think you might be shocked, it might make some of you take more care of your scoob security wise aswell. Maybe you are lucky and have protected no claims.

The other key thing no one has picked up on is if they nick your car they pretty much know that you will be replacing it via insurance in the next month or so, so they know if they come back they could get another car, where as if they got a good pasting i dont know many that would want a good kicking again.

Everyones priorities are different, you cant blame anyone for being scared for their family, you all make your own choices. Luckily or unluckily for me i am such a light sleeper i would wake up with just the noise of someone walking up my gravel driveway and my new house has such poor sound insulation between rooms and squeaky floorboards no one could sneek up on me.

Pockman

Jiggerypockery - a 28 gram load? a 53 gram 'Wildfowl' load of No 4 shot would be better... removes doors from hinges!

ScoobyDoo555

I too can see what you're saying ScoobyLav, but it IS just a car. I certainly don't class it as more important then my family.

Besides, most people who can afford to run a Scoob, usually have full protected NCB, which usually allows for several claims before the NCB is affected, in the event that something bad happens (let's pray it never does!)

Kinda justifies why we pay such extortionate rates for insurance.....

Dan

Jiggerypokery

Pockman, those are solid slugs, 1600fps, 2500 ft lb. Quite a kick. Can crack an engine block.

MadMark

On insurance claims - even with Proctected NCB all companies will put a "loading" on you if you have had a total loss claim.
This is the same concept would be applied if you have been banned for speeding or living in a nasty area etc. Obviously these are not linked to NCB Protection .........

If they can get my keys from my bedside table - they're welcome to the car! I also never leave the keys in the house when I'm out etc.

Jiggerypokery

I had a total loss claim when on my Dad's insurance (car was stolen). The claim was only for 1k, but they got every penny back off me again when I got my own insurance, they also increased Dad's insurance, which I'm sure they shouldn't have done. I'll think very carefully before claiming again.

289

Someone broke into my flat many years back, and I put them in hospital. Stupidly, I lost control and ruptured the guy's *********, as well as breaking his jaw. I came *very* close to being charged, and would certainly have been convicted if taken to court, basically because I was totally guilty. Would have caused me some serious problems and probably ruined my life if I that had happened. If I'd had a gun or a knife I might well have used it, which would only have made it worse.

I'd not do it again; just the awful realisation that everything could be thrown away with an over-reaction (and I *would* over-react, I know myself), or I might get it wrong and end up stabbed/glassed etc means I'd make it hard to get in the house but ultimately, I'd hand the keys over. I've got more to lose than some thieves, and the metal/increased insurance is the least of it.

S Page

I think the only way we can get the government to change the laws in the favour of the victim is to have some more high profile cases like Tony Martin which got huge public support. We pay our taxes to be protected from the scum by the police but were not, so you have to take things into your own hands. No one asked the thief to come into your house/nick your car, once that person crosses the line and becomes a thief all their rights should be voided and they get what they get, its their choice, no one forced them to do it.
Should be like that state in America that has a reward scheme if you bag a thief (dead or Alive). Shoot first ask questions later.

If you find someone in your house you havent got a clue what their intentions are, unless its the Avon lady then i would say their intentions are bad, strike first, atleast disable them so that the police can be called. You can use reasonable force to protect yourself, the big grey area is what is reasonable force, if you fear for your life or your families life then what would you deem reasonable force??? i know what i would do. i wouldnt say thanks for breaking in, oh by the way here's the keys to my car have a good day.

ThrustSSC

289, while I respect your position after what you did and went through, I have to say you're a hero in my book. Presumably what you have to lose is your medal. Hopefully the injuries you imposed will have prevented the thieving b@stard from breeding more thieving b@stards.

I've thought about this long and hard, particularly through times where I've been living on my own. I've come to the conclusion that these days you cannot be sure what they have on them in the way of weapons, and that 'reasonable force' means putting them out of action until they can be arrested. No-one wants to make that "permanently out of action", but I hope I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it if I did put a burglar in a body bag given the risk he potentially posed to me and mine.

If more people made it clear they would use serious force, maybe we'd have less break-ins? Time for a law change to make it clear that burglars are 'fair game' for householders.

stringfellow hawk

Yep folks afraid it was my scoob from boro road on monday. The tossers broke into my house and took the keys... The car is a right off. I have taken some photos of it. Most deppressing too say the least. See you lot later...........

speedstermick

gutted 4 u stringfellow.

the thievin sc#mmy t#ss#rs.

hope they catch them.

mick.

Adrian F

What is more of a shame is that we are all paying a fortune in Taxes and the Police are not doing enough to stop this. This type of Car crime is rocketing an obvious sign that the thieves have nothing to fear from the Police.

It is a shame that we can't persuade the Police to treat this as a priorty may be somebody should make Subaru aware that sales of their cars is being effected by this lack of Police action and if it continues it will be like the GTI situation in the earlier 90's when they couldn't sell the cars.

I for one haven't bought a Scooby despite saving for years as i don't want the worry of being attacked for a car. i did keep my GTI through the stupid insurance prices of the 90's because i loved the car and had alarms etc fitted but no car is worth getting hurt for.

kazlo

and again i rest my case (petion against car crime)

jonm01

The only reason TM got done is because he was too honest for his own good and gave the police no choice but to charge him and for a jury to convict. All he had to do was claim the pikey scum shouted to him that they had a gun and were going to kill him. Then he would have had reason to say his only choice was to shoot.

A guy in my town found a guy in his house who was armed with a cosh a knife and some cs gas. He got a carving knife from the kitchen drawer and stabbed the intruder to death. Police didn't charge him.

So when you find one of these idiots in your house, by all means take them out, but make sure you have your story ready for when the cops arrive. Don't tell the truth, they don't expect you to.

S Page

Unfortunately Tony Martin's problems were:
1. he was using a banned/illegal firearm. (pump action shotgun)
2. Shot them in the Back
3. Left one of the thieving scum alive (he could have buried them on his farm).

NiceCupOfTea

Guys,

Used to keep a wheelbrace next to my bed in case the worst happened and I had to defend myself and my girlfriend, but been toying with buying a BB gun - nothing hard core, but would certainly hurt the scum and maybe get rid. What do you think?

http://www.boysstuff.co.uk/product.a...8497341&cid=22

luddite dave

You must have some fancy bed if it gets flat tyres nicecupoftea.i find having a long extension bar n socket better for getting ya tight nuts off .ooo er missus.

NiceCupOfTea

actually it was one of those extending (oo-er) breaker bar sockets!!

(had to buy it to get the bloody wheels off after some muppet at a main dealer over tightened them )

dr_ming

MadMark, Do you have any details of the keycard immobiliser? Blackjax is, in principle, a good idea, but the way it operates is a pain in the ****. This sounds like a much better idea.

My mate's STI was stolen last night. Usual thing, broke into the hose and nicked the keys. They were determined too, had a pop at two windows and a door before they finally got in. The car has been recovered thanks to the tracker, but these are too easy to defeat IMHO.