Make's you want to buy a Saxo !
01 December 2003, 06:18 PM
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Surely the guy was meaning a UK WRX so lets assume a bugeye which without a launch is 6.5 ish seconds to 60mph. A MKII VTS will bang out 7.0-7.5s 0-60 all day long so the difference is minimal. BUT, in the wet there isn't a hope in hell of a VTS getting to 60 in under 8s and even without a launch a bugeye with oil all round its tyres on half throttle could still hit 60 in under 8. This is how I know the story is bullsh!t 
01 December 2003, 06:39 PM
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READ it,.....wish i could reply to that no real knowledge of impreza geezer(only that he said any proper scoob would waste a saxo)caus his reply was
Old shape wrx...215bhp....TUT...WRONG!
tryin 2 give those saxo geezers some hope!lol
Old shape wrx...215bhp....TUT...WRONG!
tryin 2 give those saxo geezers some hope!lol
01 December 2003, 07:18 PM
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Old shape, LMAO 
I'll have whatever drugs he's on Its more likely it was a slagged up sport that did him off the line (traction) and then took a spanking when the VTS got up and going.
He clearly made the point that his VTS was a MKII and that he believes its the 130bhp version (most X/Y reg). These models are not to be sniffed at as mines and in particular craggy's vts have proved time and time again by keeping up with cars they shouldn't. Mines would easily hit 60 in low 7s but its not going to make the blindest bit of difference against a classic scooby and certainly not in the wet
Sport I say
I'll have whatever drugs he's on Its more likely it was a slagged up sport that did him off the line (traction) and then took a spanking when the VTS got up and going.He clearly made the point that his VTS was a MKII and that he believes its the 130bhp version (most X/Y reg). These models are not to be sniffed at as mines and in particular craggy's vts have proved time and time again by keeping up with cars they shouldn't. Mines would easily hit 60 in low 7s but its not going to make the blindest bit of difference against a classic scooby and certainly not in the wet
Sport I say
01 December 2003, 07:27 PM
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Girlfriend used to have a VTS with de-cat, straight through system and induction kit and I know where Saxoboy is coming from - the VTS is fast but my classic UK turbo (before de-cat and filter) would leave it for dead from a standing start but once the VTS was rolling it was hard to get past it unless on a dual carrigeway where there was plenty of time to get past it. I used it for work for 6 months and it was fun to drive but it rattled, kept falling to bits and was really uncomfortable. Think it would have made a good track car though
01 December 2003, 07:51 PM
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Awww.. come on, let them have their fun ! I'm sure a lot of members of this board are ex hot-hatch generation, myself included, so I see nothing wrong with granting them poetic licence occasionally. 
01 December 2003, 10:27 PM
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I know that when you stick up for a car like the Saxo on a Scooby BBS, you'd expect to get flamed, but...
In between my MY96 WRX and MY00 UK Turbo, I ran my girlfriend's Saxo VTS for a while and it was a great wee car.
It was a March 2000 Y plate, so not sure if it was 120 or 130 bhp (I thought they were all 120 bhp though
) The car has full Magnex de-cat and Pipercross Induction kit so not sure what power actually was.
Anyway, once, I was following my mate to his house so he could ditch his car and come to the pub. He was in his MY98 UK Turbo and I was in the Saxo. Both cars were 2 up. He floored it hard, as did I, but he couldn't believe how close behind him I was, although he was getting away, very slightly.
Up to about 40/50 mph it was pretty close, but all the time, the Scoob was gradually pulling away.
My mate jumped into the Saxo with a renewed respect for the French little rattler!
In between my MY96 WRX and MY00 UK Turbo, I ran my girlfriend's Saxo VTS for a while and it was a great wee car.
It was a March 2000 Y plate, so not sure if it was 120 or 130 bhp (I thought they were all 120 bhp though
) The car has full Magnex de-cat and Pipercross Induction kit so not sure what power actually was.Anyway, once, I was following my mate to his house so he could ditch his car and come to the pub. He was in his MY98 UK Turbo and I was in the Saxo. Both cars were 2 up. He floored it hard, as did I, but he couldn't believe how close behind him I was, although he was getting away, very slightly.
Up to about 40/50 mph it was pretty close, but all the time, the Scoob was gradually pulling away.
My mate jumped into the Saxo with a renewed respect for the French little rattler!
01 December 2003, 10:39 PM
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Citroen did a run of cars around the x/y reg time that had a revised engine management system and made nearer 130bhp out the box. I think they changed it back as the emissions were touch and go. I raced a MK1 vts in mines both started up from the same car park (hence same engine temp) and both driver only - I pulled away from it slightly.
I also played with numerous impreza's and standard classics would only slightly ease away from a rolling start. I did take a dusting off the line by a PPP thought Cracking little cars for the money and even standard they can keep up very respecfully with Imprezas but they are not Impreza beaters unless modified.
I also played with numerous impreza's and standard classics would only slightly ease away from a rolling start. I did take a dusting off the line by a PPP thought
Cracking little cars for the money and even standard they can keep up very respecfully with Imprezas but they are not Impreza beaters unless modified.
02 December 2003, 07:15 AM
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i also had a very modified vts for which i spent over £20k on performance mods was n/a with around 160bhp and i raced a uk turbo scoob i didnt stand a chance, i would compare this race also when i got my uk turbo scooby and i had a race with a ferrari 360 and also didnt stand a chance.
then i got an evo 5 with 330bhp with torque to match and one of the saxo guys reckoned his supercharged vts would kill the evo muhahaha,big chip big shoulders lmfao.
then i got an evo 5 with 330bhp with torque to match and one of the saxo guys reckoned his supercharged vts would kill the evo muhahaha,big chip big shoulders lmfao.
02 December 2003, 08:54 AM
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I think I should sell my Scooby and get a Saxo VTS - I mean, pushing around 130bhp is not to be laughed at...
Or is it?
Of course it is... ha, ha,ha, ha, ha.
And.... ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
PMSL so much that I have flooded the office.
Or is it?
Of course it is... ha, ha,ha, ha, ha.
And.... ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
PMSL so much that I have flooded the office.
02 December 2003, 08:57 AM
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And with my new found love for French cars, I popped over to the Saxo forum and clicked on a random thread...
And below is the signature of the first post that I found:
'Big' Harry, Death Squad Crew Member No.9: From the cradle to the grave, Bad Boys for Life. Biaatch!
And now I want a Saxo even more.
Fecking hilarious!
And below is the signature of the first post that I found:
'Big' Harry, Death Squad Crew Member No.9: From the cradle to the grave, Bad Boys for Life. Biaatch!
And now I want a Saxo even more.
Fecking hilarious!
02 December 2003, 12:30 PM
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You spent £20k and only had 160bhp??? Money well spent
My scooby was classic import fast and beat Matt Dales s/c VTS at Crail but he was catching me fast at the end so sorry to say but s/c vts can toast some pretty quick impreza's from a rolling start. But they do cost loads and aren't that reliable and are still a saxo, etc, etc, etc
My scooby was classic import fast and beat Matt Dales s/c VTS at Crail but he was catching me fast at the end so sorry to say but s/c vts can toast some pretty quick impreza's from a rolling start. But they do cost loads and aren't that reliable and are still a saxo, etc, etc, etc
02 December 2003, 02:38 PM
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I really love these saxo (2wd, 1.6lt) vs impreza (4wd, turbo charged 2lt) debates.....they make soo much sense.
Come to think of it i might go on the Yamaha R1 bike owners forum and tell them how i regularly out accelerate them from traffic lights in my scoob..... all day.....in 2nd gear....whilst asleep....lol
BTW - what colour is the sky on your planet? i hear it's nice this time of year......lol
Come to think of it i might go on the Yamaha R1 bike owners forum and tell them how i regularly out accelerate them from traffic lights in my scoob..... all day.....in 2nd gear....whilst asleep....lol
BTW - what colour is the sky on your planet? i hear it's nice this time of year......lol
02 December 2003, 04:25 PM
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Why do so many people make an issue of the 2wd thing and the 1.6l thing and the 130bhp thing (like in a recent thread). A 1.6l caterham with only 130bhp would run rings round a scooby in the same way that a measly 2.0t impreza can spank a five litre v8 if its being asked to pull 2.5 tonnes of MPV and a 16 stone dog in the back.
Granted all these cars are aimed at totally different markets and designed to do primarily different things but when it comes to straightline speeds, etc you can feasibly compare a Ferrari Enzo to me on my mountain bike if you want
Granted all these cars are aimed at totally different markets and designed to do primarily different things but when it comes to straightline speeds, etc you can feasibly compare a Ferrari Enzo to me on my mountain bike if you want
02 December 2003, 06:32 PM
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driven a saxo vts, im a mechanic so get 2 test drive most cars....LOL its so far away from my classic wrx it baffles me why this debate is even possible 2 exist hehe .by the way having worked on pretty much most popular makes of cars i have 2 say french cars are a debacle of enginearing they seem 2 be purposefuly designed 2 be a bitch 2 work on especialy renault..[whispers pieces of crap]in my opinion japanese are the best designed cars on the road.......getting back 2 the saxo thing i recon the scooby driver was just driving normaly ..and probably didnt even notice the saxo was there;}
02 December 2003, 07:10 PM
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Having read this thread and owning both a VTS in 1998, when they were considered in fashion and now owning a my03 WRX i fail to realise why anyone would even consider debating if this ill matched duel is worthy of discussion. It would be like having a gunfight, one person armed with an air pistol the other with an magnum hand gun ....... hhhmm, I know which i'd choose !!!
02 December 2003, 07:50 PM
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Even from a rolling start I fail to see how a 130bhp VTS could match a Scoob.
In 1st gear the Scoob has reduced boost. But on a rolling start you can trigger full boost. The scoob hits the rev limiter before you can plant your foot. 2nd gear is over in a flash.
I raced VTS's when I had my Cav Gsi. I didn't loose to one then and can't imagine losing to one in the Scoob. The cars that were very quick ingear compared to standing start times were Rover 1.6 and 2.0 engines. They always gave trouble.
In 1st gear the Scoob has reduced boost. But on a rolling start you can trigger full boost. The scoob hits the rev limiter before you can plant your foot. 2nd gear is over in a flash.
I raced VTS's when I had my Cav Gsi. I didn't loose to one then and can't imagine losing to one in the Scoob. The cars that were very quick ingear compared to standing start times were Rover 1.6 and 2.0 engines. They always gave trouble.
02 December 2003, 08:03 PM
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Er ok. I had a mk2 saxo VTS before my RA and there is no way a saxo would keep up with a scooby as i had a go both standing start and rolling start. I am absolutly positive that citroen never made a 130 bhp VTS they were all 120
02 December 2003, 10:47 PM
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Er ok. I had a mk2 saxo VTS before my RA and there is no way a saxo would keep up with a scooby as i had a go both standing start and rolling start. I am absolutly positive that citroen never made a 130 bhp VTS they were all 120
So many things wrong with the above. First of all you have an RA. Have you seen what RA impreza's do to UK scoobys. The word destruction springs to mind!!! I raced an RA in my classic (standard) scooby and it was massively quicker. Secondly many VTS's in the X/Y reg range went on the rollers and pumped 130bhp. Factor in that mines kept within inches of 172s (non cup) to 100mph (simply couldn't do it with just 120bhp), was faster than other older vts's, that craggies BEATS 172's and with just a decat and induction is keeping up with Cups and I assure you some of them were coming out the factory with more than 120bhp. Next up is the old 0-100 time of 22.4s.....Sure Try 19-20 Finally, my first ever 1/4m attempt of 15.3s @ 89mph when non-launched scoobys are in the late 14s bracket. Gather that little lot up and race a standard, driver alone, no mods, no big alloys, no 100kg worth of sh!tty sound system saxo V's a standard bugeye impreza from 40-100mph and I assure you the difference would not be as much as you'd all like it to be. I've done it several times so believe me I know. Moreover, now that my scooby is standard again I have to say its not that fast at all (faster than a saxo though). The difference between 215bhp scoobys and 275bhp scoobys is rather large For the record I'm not debating or arguing just making a wee point. If I ever see the guy that bought my VTS I'll flag him down and film my scooby struggling to loose it to prove it but for now I will admit scoobys are faster.......because.....well........they are
Oh and I'm sure most people will agree that working on a VTS engine is a walk in the park compared to the Impreza. Anyone thats tried removing a downpipe will HAVE to agree
02 December 2003, 11:37 PM
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guys dont label saxo owners geeks because, well , most of them arent. at the age of most of them are its impossible to insure most other things and rest assured the guy that posted that thread on the ssc got absolutely ripped to pieces, as people always do when sh*te like that is posted...
but... by and large i reckon more ****e is talked on here that any other forum i have ever been on, mostly because you seem to have a 'im driving an impreza, im king of the road, nothing is faster, nor pulls more women and makes me look hard' attitude. and whenever i post anything at all on here i always seem to get some ars*hole posting a 'wity' remark about it, seemingly jealous that a 18 year old 'geek' may have a nice car. i apologise to all you reasonable guys on scoobynet who do give reasonable responses to questions but there does seem to be populated by a load of d*ckheads and i would love to see the heaps of sh*ite most of you lot were drivinbg at 19-23 years old.. enough said
but... by and large i reckon more ****e is talked on here that any other forum i have ever been on, mostly because you seem to have a 'im driving an impreza, im king of the road, nothing is faster, nor pulls more women and makes me look hard' attitude. and whenever i post anything at all on here i always seem to get some ars*hole posting a 'wity' remark about it, seemingly jealous that a 18 year old 'geek' may have a nice car. i apologise to all you reasonable guys on scoobynet who do give reasonable responses to questions but there does seem to be populated by a load of d*ckheads and i would love to see the heaps of sh*ite most of you lot were drivinbg at 19-23 years old.. enough said
03 December 2003, 12:03 AM
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*TAKEN FROM A SAXO FORUM*
i was going down an open 60 road last night in my mark 2 mauritus blue VTS, now this is a fast vts let me tell you i have raced my chum in his dads MX5 and i beat him every time off the lights when the VTS comes on cam. Anyway, my VTS is nearly standard, i think it is one of the "lucky" 130 BHP models, i have a K&N 57i induction kit and a magnex back box so im sure its pushing out another 8 bhp at least.
as i am going along at about 65 i see a subaru imprezza WRX old shape come up in my rear view mirror. Feeling a little bit fruity as i had just sealed a deal earlier that day in my Kitchen Sales job i decided i would have a quick race A blip on the throttle and the chap behind gave chase. all the way upto the ton mark he stuck with me but could'nt get past.
We got to some traffic lights coming into my town, but it was still a 60 so we lined up next to each other on the red light. When it went green we both floored it. Even with his AWD becuase of the standing water we both sturggled to get grip and while he was ahead i quickly got upto his rear bumper as the roar of my K&N kicked in. I went into the fast lane and over took him around 70 and the look on his face was priceless!
These VTS's are nippy little buggers aren't they.
CLASSIC
i was going down an open 60 road last night in my mark 2 mauritus blue VTS, now this is a fast vts let me tell you i have raced my chum in his dads MX5 and i beat him every time off the lights when the VTS comes on cam. Anyway, my VTS is nearly standard, i think it is one of the "lucky" 130 BHP models, i have a K&N 57i induction kit and a magnex back box so im sure its pushing out another 8 bhp at least.
as i am going along at about 65 i see a subaru imprezza WRX old shape come up in my rear view mirror. Feeling a little bit fruity as i had just sealed a deal earlier that day in my Kitchen Sales job i decided i would have a quick race A blip on the throttle and the chap behind gave chase. all the way upto the ton mark he stuck with me but could'nt get past.
We got to some traffic lights coming into my town, but it was still a 60 so we lined up next to each other on the red light. When it went green we both floored it. Even with his AWD becuase of the standing water we both sturggled to get grip and while he was ahead i quickly got upto his rear bumper as the roar of my K&N kicked in. I went into the fast lane and over took him around 70 and the look on his face was priceless!
These VTS's are nippy little buggers aren't they.
CLASSIC
03 December 2003, 12:41 AM
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I've got a Y-plate Saxo VTS. I'm 19, it's the quickest, nicest handling, best looking car I could afford to buy and insure when I got it (I was 18). It has never been "quick quick", but it is nippy, and pulls well for a 1600. It handles really well, and the grip isn't too shabby either. It's much more fun than any Impreza Sport I've driven,so you going to take the micky out of Sport owners 'coz their cars are a lot slower than my VTS, and don't handle as well?
Saxo is going in the next month or two, 'coz I'm bored of the performance. I'm goig to get a Clio Cup. Same genre of car, only quicker. The Cup WILL give you UK Turbo guys a fright once rolling!
Jap Turbo power will come when I'm around 21/22 (when I can afford to run and insure one!), will hopefully be a 2 door Impreza of some sort (I don't "do" family cars), but until then, N/A French hot hatches will do me just fine...
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Saxo is going in the next month or two, 'coz I'm bored of the performance. I'm goig to get a Clio Cup. Same genre of car, only quicker. The Cup WILL give you UK Turbo guys a fright once rolling!
Jap Turbo power will come when I'm around 21/22 (when I can afford to run and insure one!), will hopefully be a 2 door Impreza of some sort (I don't "do" family cars
), but until then, N/A French hot hatches will do me just fine...Rich
03 December 2003, 01:48 AM
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lo all, well very old thread to drag up (olny dragged up by this: http://www.saxosportsclub.com/forum/SEURLF/ASP/SFS/THREADID.131917/FORUMID.1/SFE/posts.htm) but anyways...
i know scoobies...one of my best friends (comes on here, not sure of his uid tho...probably marxmcrae or something similar) has...well HAD (until sundays meet when he trashed it into a tree) an MY98 Scoob Turbo. I have his ex-VTR...and well...lets just say, we all know the result.
now heres even more interesting things...
down at the pod, marx made down to something like 13.44 1/4's with only a blitz air filter. whereas my other friend Ed (who has a 215bhp s/c sax vtr done by gmc) was gettin around 13.40.
now...somehow...some muppet...in a 120 (or one of the golden 130) vts...is NEVER going to beat a scooby turbo. (as we all know)
so erm...on behalf of the rest of the ssc...i apologise for said muppet. lol
not sure if i agree with the general slagging of sax's tho - as many people on here had a vtr/vts til they were earning more money to by a scoob. plus most of the ssc peeps arent as dumb as to think they'd beat a scoob turbo (well...not without £6k+ in the engine...and then they might aswell have bought a scoob lol)
(btw, i think marx got 1/4's down to around 13 or 13.2 with a downpipe + blitz exhaust + straight thru middle pipe - so all in all, marx probably spent a lot less than ed...and got more bang for his bucks. - as for the tosser who reckons he beat a scoob with his vts...well, like i said, hes a tosser. lol.)
just thought id add my 2p worth (and maybe try to point out not everyone from the ssc dreams of beating scoobs with a stock vts lol...some of us are actually intelligent lol)
i know scoobies...one of my best friends (comes on here, not sure of his uid tho...probably marxmcrae or something similar) has...well HAD (until sundays meet when he trashed it into a tree) an MY98 Scoob Turbo. I have his ex-VTR...and well...lets just say, we all know the result.
now heres even more interesting things...
down at the pod, marx made down to something like 13.44 1/4's with only a blitz air filter. whereas my other friend Ed (who has a 215bhp s/c sax vtr done by gmc) was gettin around 13.40.
now...somehow...some muppet...in a 120 (or one of the golden 130) vts...is NEVER going to beat a scooby turbo. (as we all know)
so erm...on behalf of the rest of the ssc...i apologise for said muppet. lol
not sure if i agree with the general slagging of sax's tho - as many people on here had a vtr/vts til they were earning more money to by a scoob. plus most of the ssc peeps arent as dumb as to think they'd beat a scoob turbo (well...not without £6k+ in the engine...and then they might aswell have bought a scoob lol)
(btw, i think marx got 1/4's down to around 13 or 13.2 with a downpipe + blitz exhaust + straight thru middle pipe - so all in all, marx probably spent a lot less than ed...and got more bang for his bucks. - as for the tosser who reckons he beat a scoob with his vts...well, like i said, hes a tosser. lol.)
just thought id add my 2p worth (and maybe try to point out not everyone from the ssc dreams of beating scoobs with a stock vts lol...some of us are actually intelligent lol)
03 December 2003, 01:53 AM
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**to get back to the orignal topic**
i think everyone (both ssc and scoobynet peeps) agree's that under no circumstances is a standard vts going to beat (<- not keep up with but BEAT) a standard scoob turbo.
and to round up all the cfuffle...
saxo's are probably the nicest small, cheap, 17 yr old affordable hot hatches knowcking around. scoobs are for people who have more money and so generally older.
^ i think thats about the gist of it.
i think everyone (both ssc and scoobynet peeps) agree's that under no circumstances is a standard vts going to beat (<- not keep up with but BEAT) a standard scoob turbo.
and to round up all the cfuffle...
saxo's are probably the nicest small, cheap, 17 yr old affordable hot hatches knowcking around. scoobs are for people who have more money and so generally older.
^ i think thats about the gist of it.