Duck_Pond

"Now you listen to me you POS, Your posts in this thread reeks of ignorance to the 1st order."

Hoho. Nice to see you are a rational person who can take a bit of mickey-taking back.

"POS", does that mean Point Of Sale?

At least my "ignorance" permits me to make use of proper English grammar.

I assume the rest of that thread is aimed at me too? Which theories are you so upset about in particular?

By the way, by adding to this thread, on this BBS, doesn't that make you an "internet addict" too.

PSML

unclebuck

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LOL Time to stop trolling and get back to your lectures Cosworth you *tit*.

UB

[Edited by unclebuck - 12/12/2003 4:31:24 PM]

ajm

Has he gone?

Damn! Not like me to miss out on a contentious thread

NACRO

Opinions are very important- backed up by facts or not, a real shame you can't see that and your loss. For example I regard the opinions of telboy on this thread as quite interesting in that they reflect his mindset and where he's coming from, as do my opinions. That is the key in understanding don't you think?
To look at someone elses opinions, even if you reject them, to try and find some common understanding if not agreement?

As it happens I've backed up one of my assertions with the fact that there are very few practicing christians in the UK. Personally I believe that the state of society is the greatest supporting fact/evidence that the UK is in essence a non-christian state.
For example lots of people call themselves fans of Manchester United, however they don't go to old trafford, were not born in Manchester or its environs and probably don't even really like or understand football. The people are idiots/bandwagon jumpers, are we to accept their assertions that they do in fact support Manchester United? I say not and the same applies to people who claim to be christians while living the most ungodly lifestyles possible.

unclebuck

I expect your only allowed 10 minutes a day on the college library micro.

UB

adpd

Has it?

PMSL at UB... too funny.

Cosworth427

Duck, uncle buck and another other xenophobic moron take note.

... I'm an internet addict, geek, nerd - whatever. Atleast *I'm* not stupid enough to make stupid theories about issues that I have little understanding and experience of.

What stupid theory was this, duck?

"As for the original topic - good on the French I say. It's about time people stood up for their own country. If these people affected by not being able to show off their religion are so upset by the ruling, they should choose to go to a more religion-friendly establishment."

Between the lines this means... "Dress like a caucasian westerner or go home, but we'll kindly take your taxes/rent/mortage payements/ spending money though."

If you was a Chelsea supporter living in Manchester, does that mean you *should* support Man City/Utd, simply because of the "predominate"? No, you support the team that YOU believe in and you KNOW it doesnt cause anyone harm.

You avoided the point I made about whether someone wearing a religious scarf actually affected your life. What I DO KNOW is that it NEVER affected the way how I live my life, so why don't you do what any rational open-minded person would do...shut the hell up and stop whining.

Any more claptrap from you (i can smell it coming) will be ignored, thankyou.










[Edited by Cosworth427 - 12/12/2003 4:42:56 PM]

ajm

Is this not the "adult" equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and singing la-la-la-la?

adpd

If we cannot keep the conversation civil, can we please, at the very least, keep the English proper.

unclebuck

A so it's all down to supporting football teams is it? Very itellectual.

On the subject of grammer, you left an 's' off the end of moron, ya spanner.

UB

Duck_Pond

Cos247 - that was an opinion, not a theory. You read between the lines as much as you like. If you see it as racism, which you appear to be hinting at, fine. I'm not bothered how you see me, stupid, juvenile, uninformed or otherwise.

I'm contributing to this thread because I want to, and have my own opinions on things. It's great that other people with knowledge on the subject matter also add their comments, as it's a way of learning new things, and seeing how other people perceive current affairs.

I might make light of a few threads, as that is in my character.

Out of interest, what are you studying?

Cosworth427

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How about you stick to the topic at hand?

Wait..you can't can you? You were just not prepared to my challenge about whether someone wearing a head scarf affected your life.

Instead you comment on was vs are. Weak.

adpd

It is was vs. were...
but I will let that pass.

TelBoy

You're Muslim, 427?

Staying *on-topic*, when did you "become" a Muslim?

Cosworth427

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"I'm not bothered how you see me, stupid, juvenile, uninformed or otherwise."
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Yes you are "stupid, juvenile, uninformed or otherwise."

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"I'm contributing to this thread because I want to, and have my own opinions on things"
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Muslims contributed their opinions and feelings to the REAL WORLD
Upset having to face a ban against wearing garments that under their faith is vital, but yet because they have expressed resentment, they should get the hell out of dodge right?


uncle buck:
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"A so it's all down to supporting football teams is it? Very itellectual.

On the subject of grammer, you left an 's' off the end of moron, ya spanner"
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Asking me about football teams just shows you havent bothered reading my posts for the content rather than looking for grammar and spelling.

Yet AGAIN...you have not answered whether someone wearing a damn scarf affected your everyday life. Untill one of you actually raise a good response to my challenge, then I'd keep it civil.

It's your call, people.




[Edited by Cosworth427 - 12/12/2003 5:07:11 PM]

Duck_Pond

LOL - "Yes you are "stupid, juvenile, uninformed or otherwise."

That's not very civil. BTW - I have a degree already, BSc Hons, so maybe the "stupid" bit is incorrect... and I'm getting on a bit too.

People wearing scarves, or other items of religious attire haven't affected me at all. But what I did notice all those years ago, was that bullies in our midst at school had yet another excuse to pick on certain people from what they were wearing according to their religious beliefs.

I personally agree with the idea of school uniform in that everyone should look the same, so no-one can pick on say, the poorer members of class.

School is about education, not fashion, or expressing your beliefs in whatever. You are then judged on your academic merits only.

Franko

Ban someone wearing a headscarf, then what about a hat that muslim and jew's wear?

If someone white (not being racist) wears a headscarf then they'd be seen as muslim? Yet its entirely possible they are non-muslim and enjoy wearing a headscarf? a few of my freinds do.

Ban growing a beard too? its common among muslim men.

IMO If wearing a headscarf causes haterad (sp) or indiference its not the dress sense that should be adressed its the people who hate that should be addressed. Educated/helped to understand?
Including muslim people who have haterad for western society.

How many of us on here are actually offended by someone wearing a headscarf?
Can poeple not hold onto their belives and values and still intergrate?
Is it impossible for someone wearing a headscarf to play,talk have fun with someone not wearing a headscarf? or does the headscarf say "i'm a muslim stay away" ???

Headscarf or no headscarf a human is a human to me, i'd hate em if they were mean and hating to others but like em otherwise...

I dont think there should be a ban on headscarfs.

turboman786

So whatever happened to ' wear what you want to wear, be who you want to be etc...'???.......or was that just another phrase drummed into us to convince us we are 'free'???

Fatty2

I dont see why a headscarf is seen to offensive at all.

Streakers/nudists are banned and people who dress up are being banned too! The world is going nuts man!

V45DSM

Its bloody double standards. I, a devout Inca, was expelled from Gainsborough High for Sacrificing the PE teacher, Miss Beermount. Granted it wasn't exactly at the time of the Capacocha nor was Miss Beermount a Llama....

Jye

Tedious, Sat night SN bull, I'm of to get ripped and **** the semantics

Little Clanger

Turboman 786 - "Wear what you want to wear"? Do me a favour. You walk down Brixton Hight Street in a Union Jack t-shirt and DM's on. See how far you get.


NACRO - You keep talking of your having provided "envidence" or "facts" to back up your assertions. Do you understand what these words mean? Just because you make a facelsss comment and add some conveniently rounded percentage to it, doesnt meean its fact. You wanna foot note it properly and let us all know where you get your wisdom from? YOU are posting opinions as much as the rest of us. The big problem is that opinions are like @rseholes - we all have one. There is a large number of "people" on SN who make a habit of talking out of them too.


Respect to Cosworth 427 - Dont let the tw@ts grind ya down.

TelBoy

On Sunday morning, listening to a pastor speak, he said "When i became a Christian", which reminded me of this thread. I thought it was a very interesting comment, but i didn't really have the time or inclination to question him about it.

But, if i'm allowed to repeat my question, when do we "become" Muslim, Christian or whatever? When is the defining moment? Somebody religious here must have a view, no?

NACRO

Naysayer or whatever your name is- do a google search for church attendance figures you numptie. You'll find they come in at around 25% depending on which source you believe.

They are published figures which you can feel free to disagree with but you can't take away from the FACT they are official figures.


edited to add: footnotes for the benefit of some a55hole who wants to be pedantic- don't make me laugh. This isn't a dissertation moron.



[Edited by NACRO - 12/15/2003 8:58:16 AM]

andrewdelvard

Little Clanger, you wrote.....

So, with reference to the Swastika you mentioned I offered a reply, with evidence, why people have just reason to hate the sybolism of the Swastika.

You replied...

So why mention them in the first place? You then go on for a bit...

Then I guess ultimately we are all going to have to start walking around in the same coloured boilersuit, with the same coloured hair, speaking the same language. All been tried before, doesn't work

Have a crawl through google it has increased tensions - massively.

No comment
......other than you have offered nothing to intellectualize on.

Wrong again. I just choose not to agree with it.

Little Clanger

Mr. Delvard, firstly, my reference to the swastika was merely a comparisson to show how some would take offence at the display of a inanimate object because of what it represented. An outward display of association with a particular religion (i.e. a head scarf worn by a muslim) MAY cause offence to a member of another religion or group i.e. a member of the Jewish faith (Israel/Palestine situation POSSIBLY!). Doesnt bother me but it helps to try and understand the motivation behind banning such items of clothing.


My point about your history lesson. I said I thought you missed the point because I was getting at the negatives associated by an inanimate object - irrespective of what those negatives may be. I was trying to show how someone MIGHT be offended by that inanimate object without then going on to justify or list the reasons why they might be offended.

You say the issue has raised tensions already. Probably has. Everyone gets too **** too quickly over many things (look at NACRO for example) these days.

Stand by my point

NACRO,
you really are a tw@t mate arent ya. You wanna give yer hand a rest and find yerself a woman. I'm not pedantic young Jimmy me lad. If someone chucks a figure at me trying to make their point look more believable than mine, I wanna know where they got it from (other than in some article in the Daily Sport which judging by your response is about your level). For all YOU know your oh-so-official survey could have been carried out on the fantastically representative number of 1000 people. And don't mention the National Census or you really will show your ignorance if you think everyone in the UK completed it, and those who did, did so truthfully.

P.S. Dissertation - nice one - money well spent on that old dictionary eh mate?

Go on, find a spelling mistake in what I have written - you know you want to. Tell you what, I'll make it easy - Fockin shet kiker


Happy Christmas Everyone :-)

NACRO

The surveys are a matter of fact- although I suppose you don't like that. Look for them yourself, perhaps I didn't make it easy enough for you, I'll put it in big letters so you can follow

WWW.GOOGLE.CO.UK

I'm not sure if you are being deliberatly obtuse but try having a look on there if you need to see the proof of the facts.

edited to add: BTW you'll need to try a bit harder with the insults. We have far better than that on the board already.

[Edited by NACRO - 12/15/2003 10:16:10 AM]

Redkop

Please keep this thread on topic and stop resorting to the use of insulting replies, if they continue, it will be locked.

Leslie

I see no good reason why people should be barred from wearing clothes which relate to their ethnic origins or even their religion. As long as they are decently covered to avoid offence I don't think such repressive laws can be justified.

Reading many of the posts indicate an anti religious or racist feeling against the way some people wish to dress. I think that is shameful.

Les

Jye

This should be moved to CWE, that way everyone here can slate each other away from the mainstream frivolity of NSR.

And this is a CWE btw.