MMR - peoples view on combined or seperate jabs?
16 December 2003, 12:00 PM
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What you're saying is that you don't trust doctors, full stop. I think that's irrational. I wouldn't presume to patronise you; can I ask you in turn to be a little less belligerent?
If you think all GPs/Area Health Authorities are incompetent, then who will you call when you come off your bike (as most riders know they will at some time or other)? Will you refuse to let them operate on you, should that be needed? Do you refuse to give or receive blood as the needles may be contaminated?
I don't know what happened with your son, but sympathise. But there's no link between that and MMR, is there? Just because some doctors may be useless, it doesn't mean that the profession as a whole is.
And if you really are firmly convinced that the local NHS is useless, then I hope you've got the best medical cover money can buy, for your children if not for yourself.
What you're saying is that you don't trust doctors, full stop. I think that's irrational. I wouldn't presume to patronise you; can I ask you in turn to be a little less belligerent?
If you think all GPs/Area Health Authorities are incompetent, then who will you call when you come off your bike (as most riders know they will at some time or other)? Will you refuse to let them operate on you, should that be needed? Do you refuse to give or receive blood as the needles may be contaminated?
I don't know what happened with your son, but sympathise. But there's no link between that and MMR, is there? Just because some doctors may be useless, it doesn't mean that the profession as a whole is.
And if you really are firmly convinced that the local NHS is useless, then I hope you've got the best medical cover money can buy, for your children if not for yourself.
16 December 2003, 12:22 PM
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Buying medical cover will not give you any better standard of care - it will get you seen quciker in a non-emergency situation - the best emergency medical care is provided by the NHS full stop. Where do you think private patients go when the private sector has fecked something up - YEP - the good old NHS.
Private hospitals do not provide A&E and never will!
Private hospitals do not provide A&E and never will!
16 December 2003, 12:31 PM
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Firstly yes I do have private medical cover and my son is covered by his mothers private medical cover.
Secondly I do not think all GP's are useless but at the surgery where I am registered there are only 2 GP's I trust and you can hardly ever see them because everyone else feels the same so are always booked up weeks in advance where the other useless GPs who no one wants to see have free appointments every day! My other half will confirm thats not my 'fear' of GPs but where we live health care is extremely poor and you have to see it to believe it. The other half for instance was in hospital most of last week, the doctors and nurses there were a disgrace and even gave her drugs that gave her an allergic reaction even though it says in her notes she is allergic to them!!! FFS what sort of service is that?
However you go to another health authority and its completely different. For Southampton General has fantastic facilites and the care there is good. Where I live my other half who is from Southampton was horrified in the treatment she was given and the state of the hospital compared to what she was used to.
My doctors surgery wouldnt discuss MMR, their stance was to bombard you with a card in the post saying your child is due vacination now every couple of months even though I kept calling them to say he wasn't having it. It all comes down to cost and nothing else, its plain and simple,one injection is far cheaper than 3 injections and that is the only reason for the Governments and GP practices stance on MMR.
As for coming off my bike, I only hope to god if it does happen thats its in a different health authority to where I live as I wouldn't hold out much chance for my survival if it was my local hospital that treated me! Unfortunately thats how badly I feel about the local helath care.
[Edited by ************** - 12/16/2003 1:42:42 PM]
Secondly I do not think all GP's are useless but at the surgery where I am registered there are only 2 GP's I trust and you can hardly ever see them because everyone else feels the same so are always booked up weeks in advance where the other useless GPs who no one wants to see have free appointments every day! My other half will confirm thats not my 'fear' of GPs but where we live health care is extremely poor and you have to see it to believe it. The other half for instance was in hospital most of last week, the doctors and nurses there were a disgrace and even gave her drugs that gave her an allergic reaction even though it says in her notes she is allergic to them!!! FFS what sort of service is that?
However you go to another health authority and its completely different. For Southampton General has fantastic facilites and the care there is good. Where I live my other half who is from Southampton was horrified in the treatment she was given and the state of the hospital compared to what she was used to.
My doctors surgery wouldnt discuss MMR, their stance was to bombard you with a card in the post saying your child is due vacination now every couple of months even though I kept calling them to say he wasn't having it. It all comes down to cost and nothing else, its plain and simple,one injection is far cheaper than 3 injections and that is the only reason for the Governments and GP practices stance on MMR.
As for coming off my bike, I only hope to god if it does happen thats its in a different health authority to where I live as I wouldn't hold out much chance for my survival if it was my local hospital that treated me! Unfortunately thats how badly I feel about the local helath care.
[Edited by ************** - 12/16/2003 1:42:42 PM]
16 December 2003, 04:01 PM
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1) Number of children imunised by MMR?
2) Number of children that have autism that *might* be a result of MMR?
3) Number of children that have caught Measles, Mumps or Rubella as a result of NOT having the MMR jab?
I think that you'll find that #2 is a very small proportion of #1 and that #3 is on the increase & is proportionately higher than #2 due to the fear of #2.
2) Number of children that have autism that *might* be a result of MMR?
3) Number of children that have caught Measles, Mumps or Rubella as a result of NOT having the MMR jab?
I think that you'll find that #2 is a very small proportion of #1 and that #3 is on the increase & is proportionately higher than #2 due to the fear of #2.
16 December 2003, 04:34 PM
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For our little Mya we are pretty anti MMR and will consider both single jabs or the Homeopathic route, I know its not everyones cup of tea and I was a disbeliever until I tried it on my Tennis Elbow which I had for a year and at times I couldnt even use my left arm, I couldnt even lift a pint 
I tried the homeopathic remedy 3 days later it had cleared up, 10 days in it had gone completely and hasnt returned in the two years since, believe me after 12 months of pain I was converted and I aint no tree hugger 
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I also tried that route when I had a gum/tooth infection I was in agony for days, I took what was prescribed and two days later the swollen gum was gone and my teeth were painless, I agree the teeth could have been luck but no way the arm. I work with a guy who has high blood pressure and the medication he was put on gave him mood swings made him depressed so he tried homeopathy and it worked, his blood pressure stabilised.
I know there is no scientific proof that Homeopathy works espeially considering the minute amount of doseage that is on one sugar pill and as I said I didnt believe it but I gave it a go and it worked , to be honest it worked too well!!
Dave
I tried the homeopathic remedy 3 days later it had cleared up, 10 days in it had gone completely and hasnt returned in the two years since, believe me after 12 months of pain I was converted and I aint no tree hugger .I also tried that route when I had a gum/tooth infection I was in agony for days, I took what was prescribed and two days later the swollen gum was gone and my teeth were painless, I agree the teeth could have been luck but no way the arm. I work with a guy who has high blood pressure and the medication he was put on gave him mood swings made him depressed so he tried homeopathy and it worked, his blood pressure stabilised.
I know there is no scientific proof that Homeopathy works espeially considering the minute amount of doseage that is on one sugar pill and as I said I didnt believe it but I gave it a go and it worked , to be honest it worked too well!!
Dave
16 December 2003, 09:31 PM
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1) Number of children imunised by MMR?
2) Number of children that have autism that *might* be a result of MMR?
3) Number of children that have caught Measles, Mumps or Rubella as a result of NOT having the MMR jab?
I think that you'll find that #2 is a very small proportion of #1 and that #3 is on the increase & is proportionately higher than #2 due to the fear of #2.
...but how many of #3 suffer permanent (or even minor or indeed any) damage?
I say this as someone who has had Measles, Mumps and Rubella as a nipper, and i am still here to tell the tale!!!
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p.s. Only 3,500 people are killed on the roads every year. Probably this is not statistically significant!!
1) Number of children imunised by MMR?
2) Number of children that have autism that *might* be a result of MMR?
3) Number of children that have caught Measles, Mumps or Rubella as a result of NOT having the MMR jab?
I think that you'll find that #2 is a very small proportion of #1 and that #3 is on the increase & is proportionately higher than #2 due to the fear of #2.
...but how many of #3 suffer permanent (or even minor or indeed any) damage?
I say this as someone who has had Measles, Mumps and Rubella as a nipper, and i am still here to tell the tale!!!
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p.s. Only 3,500 people are killed on the roads every year. Probably this is not statistically significant!!
16 December 2003, 09:58 PM
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...and leaving aside hard clinical facts...
When you have a government that gives financial incentives to GPs to force MMR on innocent citizens
When you have a "situation" whereby pharmaceutical companies state that "there is no demand for the single vaccine", so they will not supply it - despite an obvious market.
When the government says that without MMR, concerned parents might "forget" to complete the course of immunisation, when the same parents actively (and currently in almost all cases, at personal expense) opt for single jabs because they feel that it is best!!!
:{ When Tony B.Liar refuses to say whether his son has had the MMR vaccine (even though we know the exact weight of Gordon Brown's newborn).
When extremely senior members of the (supposedly impartial) NHS denounce EVERYTHING that Wakefield says.
When the government ignore impartial and international evidence as to the effect of MMR.
When (alledgedly) Wakefield's phone line is tapped!
When funding is cut to the London Free?
...you gotta ask questions????
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When you have a government that gives financial incentives to GPs to force MMR on innocent citizens When you have a "situation" whereby pharmaceutical companies state that "there is no demand for the single vaccine", so they will not supply it - despite an obvious market. When the government says that without MMR, concerned parents might "forget" to complete the course of immunisation, when the same parents actively (and currently in almost all cases, at personal expense) opt for single jabs because they feel that it is best!!!:{ When Tony B.Liar refuses to say whether his son has had the MMR vaccine (even though we know the exact weight of Gordon Brown's newborn).
When extremely senior members of the (supposedly impartial) NHS denounce EVERYTHING that Wakefield says. When the government ignore impartial and international evidence as to the effect of MMR. When (alledgedly) Wakefield's phone line is tapped! When funding is cut to the London Free?...you gotta ask questions????
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16 December 2003, 11:56 PM
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And also the fact that the MMR is not given at all anywhere in Japan and that only single vaccines are given. Sorry but the Japanese are the most technically advanced nation on the planet and if they arnt giving their kids the triple vaccine then to me that says something - they don't trust it yet!
And well said Boomer!
And well said Boomer!
17 December 2003, 03:04 AM
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There's no evidence to prove a link to MMR+autism.
The anecdotal evidence Bravo alludes to is explained by the fact that the mean age for diagnosis of autism spectrum disorders is around about the same time as MMR is given.
More people will die/suffer serious injury as a result of the drop in immunisation rates than even the worse case scenario predicated by that idiot Wakefield.
It's not difficult, really.
The anecdotal evidence Bravo alludes to is explained by the fact that the mean age for diagnosis of autism spectrum disorders is around about the same time as MMR is given.
More people will die/suffer serious injury as a result of the drop in immunisation rates than even the worse case scenario predicated by that idiot Wakefield.
It's not difficult, really.
17 December 2003, 08:10 AM
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Hmm thanks for that 
So the Government is so trust worthy on vaccines is it? I wonder how many military personnel would agree with that trust that now suffer Gulf War syndrome from the hideous number of dodgy injections they were given, and according to the Government at the time these were perfectly safe
And then there is CJD, something that had been around for donkeys years but only recently (in comparison) come to light and admitted to by the Government that there was a problem with the laws and what British farmers fed their livestock resulting in such a nasty disease passed onto humans.
No the Government has never fcuked before have they
For all those who think its ridiculous not to trust them on MMR, you are entitled to your opinion but don't belittle those who don't trust the Government on something which to many people is not as clear cut as you seem to think it is!
So the Government is so trust worthy on vaccines is it? I wonder how many military personnel would agree with that trust that now suffer Gulf War syndrome from the hideous number of dodgy injections they were given, and according to the Government at the time these were perfectly safe
And then there is CJD, something that had been around for donkeys years but only recently (in comparison) come to light and admitted to by the Government that there was a problem with the laws and what British farmers fed their livestock resulting in such a nasty disease passed onto humans.
No the Government has never fcuked before have they
For all those who think its ridiculous not to trust them on MMR, you are entitled to your opinion but don't belittle those who don't trust the Government on something which to many people is not as clear cut as you seem to think it is!
17 December 2003, 08:22 AM
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Urmm Ive been living in Japan for a few years now and the health system here is shocking. Technolgy yes they are advanced...but health care!! Run to the hills!! Most if not all ex-pats here head off to OZ if they need anything done.
17 December 2003, 08:59 AM
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Just goes to show, two sides to every story. We all read the headlines which "fit" our particular viewpoint.
People who have convinced themselves that there is a significant risk of autism will not be pursuaded by anything said here, and those who don't believe there is a link will only change their minds when irrefutable proof becomes available.
For the sake of the kids, i sincerely hope everybody's individual decision on this is the right one.
People who have convinced themselves that there is a significant risk of autism will not be pursuaded by anything said here, and those who don't believe there is a link will only change their minds when irrefutable proof becomes available.
For the sake of the kids, i sincerely hope everybody's individual decision on this is the right one.
17 December 2003, 11:16 AM
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The decision to give your child the MMR jab is a very difficult one to make. We decided to give our daughter the Jab and that was at the height of the media scare-mongering.
A lot of it is the media hyping it up and scaring the hell out of parents. The media seem obsessed with scaring people and making the population try to find a person or organisation to blame.
All I can say is that our daughter had the jab about 12 months ago and she does not seem to have changed in any way. Its very tough choice but I don't agree with this issue of giving them single jabs leaves them open to infection during the treatment and its not nice as they have to have 6 jabs altogether. I'd rather give my daughter 6 jabs than risk giving her autism and as for the danger of her catching one of the diseases is a choice you have to take.
As for the case in Japan, there were problems with their MMR program (IIRC not related to autism) and hence why they stopped but their version of the MMR is different to the version given in this country - don't ask me why the didn't just change versions this is just what I read on the net when we had to go through this.
17 December 2003, 11:36 AM
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I'm a sceptic on Government issues, and I don't trust them to tell the truth.
But I have read the original Lancet paper by the team that Wakefield was a part of. The paper does NOT support Wakefield's theories, and the other members of the team confirm that the paper doesn't support his findings too.
I've also read the report of the biggest-ever trial of combined MMR from Finland -- done over several years and with a sample size in the hundreds of thousands -- with NO link between the vaccine and development of autistic disorders.
You cannot believe the reports from the Daily Mail, Express etc -- their interpretations of scientific papers are inaccurate and in some cases, plain wrong.
As said before, ANY vaccine carries a risk. But the independent clinical trial data is available, and it's pretty easy to understand, so you can make up your own mind.
But I have read the original Lancet paper by the team that Wakefield was a part of. The paper does NOT support Wakefield's theories, and the other members of the team confirm that the paper doesn't support his findings too.
I've also read the report of the biggest-ever trial of combined MMR from Finland -- done over several years and with a sample size in the hundreds of thousands -- with NO link between the vaccine and development of autistic disorders.
You cannot believe the reports from the Daily Mail, Express etc -- their interpretations of scientific papers are inaccurate and in some cases, plain wrong.
As said before, ANY vaccine carries a risk. But the independent clinical trial data is available, and it's pretty easy to understand, so you can make up your own mind.
17 December 2003, 12:56 PM
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Bravo -- I think the autism 'spectrum' is so broad that some symptoms might manifest themselves later than age 2-ish.
It's also a blurred line between autism and Asperger's syndrome. But kids are individuals, my son has some "interesting" traits -- patterning etc -- which annoy the hell out of us but don't easily fall into a syndrome ...
It's also a blurred line between autism and Asperger's syndrome. But kids are individuals, my son has some "interesting" traits -- patterning etc -- which annoy the hell out of us but don't easily fall into a syndrome ...
17 December 2003, 01:05 PM
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OK thanks. Was just wondering now my son is 6 whether he would be much lower risk of any side effects to the MMR as he is older and stronger/immune system more developed than being a 2 year old baby.
I know what you mean on the traits thing, my son has exactly the same reactions to things attitude wise as me to the point where he turns into a mini me and thats scary seeing him have the same mannerisms!
I know what you mean on the traits thing, my son has exactly the same reactions to things attitude wise as me to the point where he turns into a mini me and thats scary seeing him have the same mannerisms!
17 December 2003, 02:15 PM
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As he's 6 now, his immune system will be much stronger than it was at age 2. If he shows no signs (other than being a wilful 6-year-old ) then IMHO it's probably quite safe for him to be vaccinated .... best to check with your local GP / health centre.
Is he quite settled at school, no problems with teachers / complaints from teachers etc?
Edited to add that if he's been at nursery / playgroup and then primary school, by age 6 there is a good chance he will have been exposed to "live" measles and possibly mumps & rubella viruses too -- they still circulate "in the wild". So he may have already developed an immune response to these viruses.
Kids also do pick up some immunity from the mother while still in the womb, which can help fight off these diseases ... but vaccination is the only way to be sure.
All I can say is that we had doubts, we read all the stuff we could get (my wife's a medical writer so we had access to lots of clinical trial papers etc) and had both our kids done, without ill effects.
[Edited by brickboy - 12/17/2003 2:23:05 PM]
) then IMHO it's probably quite safe for him to be vaccinated .... best to check with your local GP / health centre.Is he quite settled at school, no problems with teachers / complaints from teachers etc?
Edited to add that if he's been at nursery / playgroup and then primary school, by age 6 there is a good chance he will have been exposed to "live" measles and possibly mumps & rubella viruses too -- they still circulate "in the wild". So he may have already developed an immune response to these viruses.
Kids also do pick up some immunity from the mother while still in the womb, which can help fight off these diseases ... but vaccination is the only way to be sure.
All I can say is that we had doubts, we read all the stuff we could get (my wife's a medical writer so we had access to lots of clinical trial papers etc) and had both our kids done, without ill effects.
[Edited by brickboy - 12/17/2003 2:23:05 PM]
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Well thats the other thing I was wondering about is if he would have got any sort of natural immunity through the fact I had measles and fought it off as a young kid etc. For example some kids at school were already immune to TB so didn't need the BCG vaccination. Can this type of genetic immunity occur with measles and the like like it does with other diseases?
And if this is impossible then those who are far more knowledgeable of genetic engineering please forgive me because genetics has never been one of my strong points!
I still churn over in my mind as to whether I should give him the MMR now he is 6 as he should be able to cope with it much better. I think I will talk to the GP on this one and see if the side effects and risks are just as bad at 6 as they are at 2 and whether Autism can still develop at this age and older.
Like I said before I am torn between either decision I have to make for my son as I don't want him being either autistic (or getting any bowel condition) of suffering Measles or Mumps.
And yes he is fine at school.
And if this is impossible then those who are far more knowledgeable of genetic engineering please forgive me because genetics has never been one of my strong points!
I still churn over in my mind as to whether I should give him the MMR now he is 6 as he should be able to cope with it much better. I think I will talk to the GP on this one and see if the side effects and risks are just as bad at 6 as they are at 2 and whether Autism can still develop at this age and older.
Like I said before I am torn between either decision I have to make for my son as I don't want him being either autistic (or getting any bowel condition) of suffering Measles or Mumps.
And yes he is fine at school.
17 December 2003, 03:00 PM
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Bravo, like you say, best talk to your GP about any risks.
It's likely your son will have some immunity from exposure "in the wild" but your GP is the best source.
cheers, Craig
It's likely your son will have some immunity from exposure "in the wild" but your GP is the best source.
cheers, Craig
17 December 2003, 05:31 PM
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Dr Wakefield is a well known bull**** artist who is considered a joke among the medical community and as such has made various dubious claims which have not stood up to any scrutiny.You may not be aware that before he made his claims about the MMR jabs he widely tried to prove that Chrons disease was caused by the measles virus and children should not be vaccinated for measles. After much ridiclue he has silenced himself on this issue but now claims that he feels single vaccinations are the answer - bit of a turnaround.
I am medically qualified and as yet have no children but will be giving them the MMR vaccine are I feel there is no evidence despite many large multinational studies that there is any link with autism.Remember the incidence of autism has probably not increased it is the diagnosis which has shot up - people nowadays want a label.
To Bravo - although I can see your reservations about trusting governmental facts there really is no evidence that currently exists linking the MMR vaccine to autism , the programme that you watched on C5 was sensationalistic rubbish with no basis in fact.
Do a search on the idiot Wakefield and you will find some disturbing facts.He seems to be running with this issue to make himself a national figure and yet he is a failed medic with very dubious research who after all his rantings has made himself unemployable - he after all stands to gain by pushing this issue.
One more thing - the single vaccinations are available if you really want to go to the bother of having your child recieve 9 separate injections at 9 separate visits. This will give the same immunity as the MMR but the takeup rate would be poor - GP's find it difficult enough to get some parents to visit 3 times so imagine the problems with 9. Hope this has been of some help.
I am medically qualified and as yet have no children but will be giving them the MMR vaccine are I feel there is no evidence despite many large multinational studies that there is any link with autism.Remember the incidence of autism has probably not increased it is the diagnosis which has shot up - people nowadays want a label.
To Bravo - although I can see your reservations about trusting governmental facts there really is no evidence that currently exists linking the MMR vaccine to autism , the programme that you watched on C5 was sensationalistic rubbish with no basis in fact.
Do a search on the idiot Wakefield and you will find some disturbing facts.He seems to be running with this issue to make himself a national figure and yet he is a failed medic with very dubious research who after all his rantings has made himself unemployable - he after all stands to gain by pushing this issue.
One more thing - the single vaccinations are available if you really want to go to the bother of having your child recieve 9 separate injections at 9 separate visits. This will give the same immunity as the MMR but the takeup rate would be poor - GP's find it difficult enough to get some parents to visit 3 times so imagine the problems with 9. Hope this has been of some help.
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I didnt watch a ch5 programme as I don't even get ch5! My reservations are not based on TV programmes or on Dr Wakefields findings! They are based on the parents with real stories who have publicly come forward about what happened to their children after having the MMR jab.
Please give me more credit than to say I made my judgement just on a ch5 programme! I have had 6 years of worry and consideration of MMR so not just 30 mins of telly.
Please give me more credit than to say I made my judgement just on a ch5 programme! I have had 6 years of worry and consideration of MMR so not just 30 mins of telly.
17 December 2003, 06:03 PM
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OK another question 
Is the vaccination 100% guaranteed to prevent any form of measles? For example I never bother with the free anual flu jabs at work because it doesn't guarantee against catching flu due to so many different strains so to me there is no point in having the vaccination.
Is the vaccination 100% guaranteed to prevent any form of measles? For example I never bother with the free anual flu jabs at work because it doesn't guarantee against catching flu due to so many different strains so to me there is no point in having the vaccination.
17 December 2003, 11:25 PM
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brendy,
from your profile it appears that you are a Doctor. It would be interesting to hear about any government influence to your practice regarding MMR, to your funding?
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from your profile it appears that you are a Doctor. It would be interesting to hear about any government influence to your practice regarding MMR, to your funding?
mb
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I was under the impression each completed MMR vaccination resulted in a fee received by the GP practice from the Government. Is this true?
IE the more parents they persuade to have the vaccine means more income for the GP practice! Hardly the sort of news parents want to hear when the GP's are telling you oh yes there is no issue with MMR, its all fine and dandy now bring your child in to have the vaccine. Like I said in an earlier post I was bombarded on a regular basis by my GP practice telling me to bring my son in even though they had it on record I wasn't going to let him have it. Wouldn't be anything to do with maximising their revenue now would it? Cynical? Not me
IE the more parents they persuade to have the vaccine means more income for the GP practice! Hardly the sort of news parents want to hear when the GP's are telling you oh yes there is no issue with MMR, its all fine and dandy now bring your child in to have the vaccine. Like I said in an earlier post I was bombarded on a regular basis by my GP practice telling me to bring my son in even though they had it on record I wasn't going to let him have it. Wouldn't be anything to do with maximising their revenue now would it? Cynical? Not me
18 December 2003, 12:23 AM
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I'll be having to make the MMR decision in 8 months time. To me the notion that this is, and should be, an individual choice is absurd. I am not and cannot become an armchair expert on this subject in 8 months...
I pray there will be some mass clear consensus by then as this is SO unfair on parents who have to make the choice NOW.
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PS This is particularly so in view of the recent catastrophic family destruction caused by the erroneous 'Munchausens syndrome by proxy' diagnosing doctor...
I pray there will be some mass clear consensus by then as this is SO unfair on parents who have to make the choice NOW.
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PS This is particularly so in view of the recent catastrophic family destruction caused by the erroneous 'Munchausens syndrome by proxy' diagnosing doctor...
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For your information, measles is on the rise in children, as a direct result of all this debate over MMR and parents opting to not have any jabs in their children.
This is worrying - the NHS have spent the last few decades trying to minimise the risks, and then some controversial research comes out by a couple of docs, and the media hypes it up. End result? Increase in measles.
Measles can & does cause serious damage in some children. Much worse than autism.
Obviously no vaccination is going to be 100% safe in anyone, just like any drug or medical procedure. However, should your kid develop measles and is damaged by it, I'm sure you'll regret not having MMR or even the single jabs.
Consider this. Your kid has a dangerous cancer, but the only drugs that will cure it will cause a 50% chance of autism. Would you choose not to treat them because the risk of autism is too dangerous to contemplate?
Extreme example, but remember the risk of autism from MMR, if there is a link, is tiny in comparison.
From experience, I know the media have a witch-hunt against the NHS. Anything they can dig up against the NHS is always used. Believe me, I've read some utter $hite in the papers about the medical profession, and journalists do not have a clue about what they are writing about generally.
This is worrying - the NHS have spent the last few decades trying to minimise the risks, and then some controversial research comes out by a couple of docs, and the media hypes it up. End result? Increase in measles.
Measles can & does cause serious damage in some children. Much worse than autism.
Obviously no vaccination is going to be 100% safe in anyone, just like any drug or medical procedure. However, should your kid develop measles and is damaged by it, I'm sure you'll regret not having MMR or even the single jabs.
Consider this. Your kid has a dangerous cancer, but the only drugs that will cure it will cause a 50% chance of autism. Would you choose not to treat them because the risk of autism is too dangerous to contemplate?
Extreme example, but remember the risk of autism from MMR, if there is a link, is tiny in comparison.
From experience, I know the media have a witch-hunt against the NHS. Anything they can dig up against the NHS is always used. Believe me, I've read some utter $hite in the papers about the medical profession, and journalists do not have a clue about what they are writing about generally.
18 December 2003, 01:38 AM
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To Boomer I work in A&E - have no connections with immunisations either giving or any payments thereof.
Don't be such a paranoid git not everything printed in the newspapers is a conspiracy ITS JUST THERE TO SELL NEWSPAPERS.
Don't be such a paranoid git not everything printed in the newspapers is a conspiracy ITS JUST THERE TO SELL NEWSPAPERS.