now Kilroy-Silk has been 'Vaped'
09 January 2004, 11:46 PM
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having live with arabs for 5yrs kilroy is spot on and yes i can speak arabic
, not just arabs 80% of the middle east
and if u want to see racism go and live over there
[Edited by scooby-si - 1/9/2004 11:48:40 PM]
, not just arabs 80% of the middle eastand if u want to see racism go and live over there
[Edited by scooby-si - 1/9/2004 11:48:40 PM]
09 January 2004, 11:50 PM
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But in reality, Puff, would people really like to see car thieves, burglars, etc. given such harsh treatment? The removal of a limb for theft, death by having your head lobbed off for adultery (women only, of course).
It easy to get all angry, as we all do when we see people walking away, apparently scott-free and sneering at our seemingly lax justice system when they've robbed someone's car or whatever. But such draconian measures should have been left in the dark-ages where they belong.
It easy to get all angry, as we all do when we see people walking away, apparently scott-free and sneering at our seemingly lax justice system when they've robbed someone's car or whatever. But such draconian measures should have been left in the dark-ages where they belong.
09 January 2004, 11:51 PM
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Puff The Magic Wagon! - because it's "their way" does that mean we cannot criticize? It's weak to shrug it off as don't agree but hey what can ya do.
I don't agree with their values and I would like them to change. Some of them don't agree with my values so they've vowed to kill as many of my kind as possible.
I don't think your average Arab is too worried about being PC. And at the moment I think being PC is a nicety we can't afford.
I don't agree with their values and I would like them to change. Some of them don't agree with my values so they've vowed to kill as many of my kind as possible.
I don't think your average Arab is too worried about being PC. And at the moment I think being PC is a nicety we can't afford.
09 January 2004, 11:53 PM
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The difference is, Imlach, we can put pressure on our MPs for things to be changed. When there is a perceived injustice people tend to do something about it.
Poll tax was removed and Thatcher was ousted, for example.
Do that over there and you'd probably end up dead or locked away for the rest of your natural.
Poll tax was removed and Thatcher was ousted, for example.
Do that over there and you'd probably end up dead or locked away for the rest of your natural.
09 January 2004, 11:53 PM
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Having read this thread, what people should try to appreciate is that 'behaviour' from an 'external event' is driven largely by attitudes and values & beliefs. Since the western attitudes and values & beliefs vary from the Arab ones in question, then their behaviour from any external event would be different. This is basic psychology. You can condition people in this way by instilling certain things in their heads from a young age.
We can disagree all we like, but they will disagree with the way we do things that are seemingly correct to us.
We can disagree all we like, but they will disagree with the way we do things that are seemingly correct to us.
09 January 2004, 11:54 PM
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The Gulf is gifted with Oil reserves hence you see Bush and Blair licking their ***** left right and center despite some of those gulf countries supporting extremist views, false kingdoms, extreme laws which have no bearing on the religion or Islamis law.
So lets be honest here, both sides are to blame, a bunch of hypocrites.
what about the middle east? you just simply put the blame on the arabs.....is the world so simple in your eyes, nice one
So lets be honest here, both sides are to blame, a bunch of hypocrites.
what about the middle east? you just simply put the blame on the arabs.....is the world so simple in your eyes, nice one
10 January 2004, 12:01 AM
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Indeed - some good points.
We have been conditioned from birth to believe in Western culture. They have been conditioned since birth for a different set of beliefs.
As I said, neither can say they are "right". America likes to think it rules the world, and impose their beliefs on everyone else, but who are they to say they have the correct beliefs?
The UK is as guilty in historical terms really as regards the "British Empire". Most countries rebelled against UK rule, and now rule themselves. Is there a lesson there for the USA?
It really is a shame the oil situation complicates all of this. Countries used to be self-sufficient at one point in history....i like to think probably at Zero BO rather than Zero BC (ie, 0 years Before Oil).
[Edited by imlach - 1/10/2004 12:02:43 AM]
We have been conditioned from birth to believe in Western culture. They have been conditioned since birth for a different set of beliefs.
As I said, neither can say they are "right". America likes to think it rules the world, and impose their beliefs on everyone else, but who are they to say they have the correct beliefs?
The UK is as guilty in historical terms really as regards the "British Empire". Most countries rebelled against UK rule, and now rule themselves. Is there a lesson there for the USA?
It really is a shame the oil situation complicates all of this. Countries used to be self-sufficient at one point in history....i like to think probably at Zero BO rather than Zero BC (ie, 0 years Before Oil).
[Edited by imlach - 1/10/2004 12:02:43 AM]
10 January 2004, 12:01 AM
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fp
I am not disagreeing with you - I am trying to give a balanced view.
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As for fp, I am trying to keep this a balanced thread. Criticise all you like, but please within guidelines and getting emotional about it.
I am just stating facts, not opinons.
But in reality, Puff, would people really like to see car thieves, burglars, etc. given such harsh treatment? The removal of a limb for theft, death by having your head lobbed off for adultery (women only, of course).
It easy to get all angry, as we all do when we see people walking away, apparently scott-free and sneering at our seemingly lax justice system when they've robbed someone's car or whatever. But such draconian measures should have been left in the dark-ages where they belong.
It easy to get all angry, as we all do when we see people walking away, apparently scott-free and sneering at our seemingly lax justice system when they've robbed someone's car or whatever. But such draconian measures should have been left in the dark-ages where they belong.
gareth
Puff The Magic Wagon! - because it's "their way" does that mean we cannot criticize? It's weak to shrug it off as don't agree but hey what can ya do.
I don't agree with their values and I would like them to change. Some of them don't agree with my values so they've vowed to kill as many of my kind as possible.
I don't think your average Arab is too worried about being PC. And at the moment I think being PC is a nicety we can't afford.
I don't agree with their values and I would like them to change. Some of them don't agree with my values so they've vowed to kill as many of my kind as possible.
I don't think your average Arab is too worried about being PC. And at the moment I think being PC is a nicety we can't afford.
I am just stating facts, not opinons.
10 January 2004, 12:07 AM
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'We don't have many suicide bombers, but we have plenty of gunpersons who have killed and been prepared to take their own lives for whatever cause or reason (Hungerford/Dunblane etc)'
Err whats that about, stand up and fight for mental illness ?, Michael Ryan and Thomas Hamilton were nutters plain and simple.
Its people that are the problem, regardless of race, human nature can be very very shi77y, we eat, we fight we f*ck, thats what we do, if we are deprived of Dairylea Lunchables, Cherryade, Sky tv and an Xbox that is. For your average Arab guy on the street I can see why they may get a little upset with the west but I would prefer peaceful protest and perhaps even extreme sarcasm (us Brits know how to deal with that) rather than twocking airliners full of people and ram raiding office buildings.
Why worry about Arabs being the 'enemy' seeing as we are our own worst enemies.
The human race only has a finite time left as resorces are running out, diseases are limbering up to wipe out the whole planet, too many people, not enough food and most of what there is goes to Americans, I reckon there is something on the way, not in our lifetimes but on the grand timeline its tommorow morning, the earth, our egos, propensity for breeding succesfully and living to long mean that something will give big style.
Think about it, millions of years of not a lot, trees flowers, mud huts etc and in the last two hundred years wallop, population goes into overdrive, we can cure a lot of disease, no natrual predators, technology, air travel, Pop Idol.
Anybody understand what I am getting at, Jim Morrison put it well
'Get your kicks before this whole sh1thouse goes up in flames'
Err whats that about, stand up and fight for mental illness ?, Michael Ryan and Thomas Hamilton were nutters plain and simple.
Its people that are the problem, regardless of race, human nature can be very very shi77y, we eat, we fight we f*ck, thats what we do, if we are deprived of Dairylea Lunchables, Cherryade, Sky tv and an Xbox that is. For your average Arab guy on the street I can see why they may get a little upset with the west but I would prefer peaceful protest and perhaps even extreme sarcasm (us Brits know how to deal with that) rather than twocking airliners full of people and ram raiding office buildings.
Why worry about Arabs being the 'enemy' seeing as we are our own worst enemies.
The human race only has a finite time left as resorces are running out, diseases are limbering up to wipe out the whole planet, too many people, not enough food and most of what there is goes to Americans, I reckon there is something on the way, not in our lifetimes but on the grand timeline its tommorow morning, the earth, our egos, propensity for breeding succesfully and living to long mean that something will give big style.
Think about it, millions of years of not a lot, trees flowers, mud huts etc and in the last two hundred years wallop, population goes into overdrive, we can cure a lot of disease, no natrual predators, technology, air travel, Pop Idol.
Anybody understand what I am getting at, Jim Morrison put it well
'Get your kicks before this whole sh1thouse goes up in flames'
10 January 2004, 12:07 AM
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I am just stating facts, not opinons.
1. Arabs are more likely to be suicide bombers than us.
2. Arabs are more likely to have limbs cut off as state sanctioned punishment than us.
3. Arabs are more likely to oppress women than us.
4. I'm supporting that kilroy-silk tosser and I can't stand him.
Opinion:
We'd be better off if we severed all ties with the Middle East.
10 January 2004, 12:13 AM
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I agree with all you say regarding the future of planet earth, and I also fear our blatant abuse of millions of years of built-up resources in under 200 years!
However, I will take issue with :
Were they nutters though? How do you know apart from what you read in the media at the time? Not defending them, but if I'm following your logic, are 9/11 bombers nutters or not?
In both cases, they had a "cause" for their actions.
I agree with all you say regarding the future of planet earth, and I also fear our blatant abuse of millions of years of built-up resources in under 200 years!
However, I will take issue with :
Err whats that about, stand up and fight for mental illness ?, Michael Ryan and Thomas Hamilton were nutters plain and simple.
In both cases, they had a "cause" for their actions.
10 January 2004, 12:27 AM
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He's not my president, I'm English. Blair's my man!
That oil story was not banned here. Would you like to know whose dick Prince Charles was sucking? That story wasn't banned here either.
10 January 2004, 01:10 AM
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Ah well, only another 50, 100 + years and we'll have no use for oil so we'll see the downfall of the 'evil and oppressive' Saudi Regime at the hands of President McKaulley Culkin the 3rd's US forces
10 January 2004, 01:12 AM
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Who gave the creepy p@*&k a job writing for a newspaper anyway?
We all have the right to an opinion..for example here's mine Kilroy and his show blows the big one and as a generalisation it's ****e on a good day.
Which would never lead me to ask him his view on the world. He courts controversy, it makes him rich...damn and I've fallen for it
IMHO
We all have the right to an opinion..for example here's mine Kilroy and his show blows the big one and as a generalisation it's ****e on a good day.
Which would never lead me to ask him his view on the world. He courts controversy, it makes him rich...damn and I've fallen for it
IMHO
10 January 2004, 02:28 AM
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Fatherpierre:
It's not just a simple matter of oil running out and it being replaced by something else. You must consider that Western oil supplies will run out way before middle-eastern ones; and way before there is a viable alternative. Now if you take into account just a fraction of damage an oil crisis would do (pretty much destroy the economy), it's no wonder that the West has to invade the Middle-East for survival in the case of any embargos, like the one from 1973.
It's not just a simple matter of oil running out and it being replaced by something else. You must consider that Western oil supplies will run out way before middle-eastern ones; and way before there is a viable alternative. Now if you take into account just a fraction of damage an oil crisis would do (pretty much destroy the economy), it's no wonder that the West has to invade the Middle-East for survival in the case of any embargos, like the one from 1973.
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I know that mate - my earlier post was of the tongue-in-cheek variety
It was merely referring to the Saudi's position with the west and how they are tolerated and their abuses ignored simply because they have something we need.
It was merely referring to the Saudi's position with the west and how they are tolerated and their abuses ignored simply because they have something we need.
10 January 2004, 08:16 AM
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when exactly did he say "more likely"? That is an entirely different arguement,and he NEVER USED those words,you have to clearly make your point,which is ironically totally irrelevant in regards to what Kilroy said.
Kilroy may have broken the law and it was right to suspend him imo,and I also believe he went way to far and used generalisations for journalistic effect.
You could argue that Kilroy was not being racist,just ignorant,but that is what his employer,and maybe the police need to decide.
Buzz,you are being pedantic,you clearly know what my point was,and the devil is not in the detail
when exactly did he say "more likely"? That is an entirely different arguement,and he NEVER USED those words,you have to clearly make your point,which is ironically totally irrelevant in regards to what Kilroy said.
Kilroy may have broken the law and it was right to suspend him imo,and I also believe he went way to far and used generalisations for journalistic effect.
You could argue that Kilroy was not being racist,just ignorant,but that is what his employer,and maybe the police need to decide.
Buzz,you are being pedantic,you clearly know what my point was,and the devil is not in the detail
10 January 2004, 09:19 AM
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However, I will take issue with :
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Err whats that about, stand up and fight for mental illness ?, Michael Ryan and Thomas Hamilton were nutters plain and simple.
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Imlach, what was getting at is, Thomas Hamilton and Michael Ryan were lone individuals, not part of any bigger organisation who took it upon themselves to commit their evil acts, the suicide bombers are religous martyrs, there seems to be too many of them willing to commit suicide for their cause for it to be mental illness (unless its a collective illness ?), I think they are coerced and groomed from an early age. What Hamilton and Ryan prooved beyond all doubt is that guns are a bad thing, especially when they are in the hands of unstable individuals, this in turn prooved to me beyond all doubt that no member of the public should have a handgun.
Airliners were and are, a lot harder to get your hands on.
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Err whats that about, stand up and fight for mental illness ?, Michael Ryan and Thomas Hamilton were nutters plain and simple.
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Imlach, what was getting at is, Thomas Hamilton and Michael Ryan were lone individuals, not part of any bigger organisation who took it upon themselves to commit their evil acts, the suicide bombers are religous martyrs, there seems to be too many of them willing to commit suicide for their cause for it to be mental illness (unless its a collective illness ?), I think they are coerced and groomed from an early age. What Hamilton and Ryan prooved beyond all doubt is that guns are a bad thing, especially when they are in the hands of unstable individuals, this in turn prooved to me beyond all doubt that no member of the public should have a handgun.
Airliners were and are, a lot harder to get your hands on.
10 January 2004, 09:25 AM
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What Hamilton and Ryan prooved beyond all doubt is that guns are a bad thing, especially when they are in the hands of unstable individuals, this in turn prooved to me beyond all doubt that no member of the public should have a handgun.
What it DID prove is that if nutters want to kill people they can and will. Making a sweeping statement that none of the public should have guns is as offensive to me, as a responsible shooter, as saying none of the public should be allowed to practise religion because of suicide bombers.
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Puff going back you your answer to what I said, I was not questioning either way whether what they do is right or wrong. The fact is what Kilroy said is factually correct as Arabs do what he said they do.
Arabs arnt just Saudi Arabia as what some people may seem to think here. Try stretching the Arab world a little bit further afield into North Africa in the West such as Egypt and Libya and possibly as far across as Algeria, to Syria going Northwards and across to Iraq and Iran in the East. They all form part of the Arab world and they all have the same qualities of repressing women, having capital punishment and suicide bombers galore! Its not about one particular country, its an area of the world just like Europe is. The fact is the things Kilroy said are correct in what happens in the Arab world. If he is done for racism it will be the biggest pc joke of all time [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] There are just too many pc tw@ts in this country who call the race card at the earliest possible opportunity
[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] To me that breeds more racism due to their over-sensitiveness and accusing people of racial hatred when thats not what they are about
Arabs arnt just Saudi Arabia as what some people may seem to think here. Try stretching the Arab world a little bit further afield into North Africa in the West such as Egypt and Libya and possibly as far across as Algeria, to Syria going Northwards and across to Iraq and Iran in the East. They all form part of the Arab world and they all have the same qualities of repressing women, having capital punishment and suicide bombers galore! Its not about one particular country, its an area of the world just like Europe is. The fact is the things Kilroy said are correct in what happens in the Arab world. If he is done for racism it will be the biggest pc joke of all time [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] There are just too many pc tw@ts in this country who call the race card at the earliest possible opportunity
[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] To me that breeds more racism due to their over-sensitiveness and accusing people of racial hatred when thats not what they are about
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Also to add that a lot of people seem to apportion suicide bombers to Islam. I think you will find that is extremely offensive to Muslims.
Palestinian suicide bombers blowing up in Israel is not being done in the name of Islam, not the true name of it anyway. Many are doing it out of pure hatred for the state of Israel existing because they are not arabs living on arab land and because of Israels land expansion policies. Hamas and their pathetic likes say they commit their attrocities in the name of Islam but you ask Muslims in this country if Hamas/Islamic Jihad etc are representative of their religion. (That doesnt include asking Abu Hamza though ok )
The attrocities of 9/11 were nothing to do with Islam. It was out and out terrorism by Bin Laden.
You can not blame Islam for suicide bombers. Its just the sick cowards have to have a face to hide behind and they use Islam for an excuse because of the rules of Jihad which they expoit to the most ridiculous and indefensable lengths.
Palestinian suicide bombers blowing up in Israel is not being done in the name of Islam, not the true name of it anyway. Many are doing it out of pure hatred for the state of Israel existing because they are not arabs living on arab land and because of Israels land expansion policies. Hamas and their pathetic likes say they commit their attrocities in the name of Islam but you ask Muslims in this country if Hamas/Islamic Jihad etc are representative of their religion. (That doesnt include asking Abu Hamza though ok
)The attrocities of 9/11 were nothing to do with Islam. It was out and out terrorism by Bin Laden.
You can not blame Islam for suicide bombers. Its just the sick cowards have to have a face to hide behind and they use Islam for an excuse because of the rules of Jihad which they expoit to the most ridiculous and indefensable lengths.