mutant_matt

Too late

Matt

Scooby96

John, I dont suppose theres a video kicking around filmed facing backwards from the westie to the R1 ???

heres hoping....!

Scooby96

Whats the lap record?

mutant_matt

To answer the original question, no, it's not much like the game IRL. It's a decent representation but not really based in reality. I think the game itself has an over optimistic representation of the level of grip available as it does the ability of the brakes. Also, unlike GT, there is a lot of discrepency between various models of car.

The track itself looks *like* the Ring but most of the cambers and bumps are missing. Also, you don't get much of a sense of the undulations and the bends are generally not sharp enough (this is made worse still by the previously mentioned over inflated ability of the tyres and brakes in the game). Most of the cars are also put off far too much by the curbs that you do use on the Ring and I also hate the fact that grass acts like treacle in this game when it should act more like ice.

Many of the lines you need to take to get a fast lap in the game would also probably get you killed IRL (as they are quite different) so the game is only really any good at giving you an idea of where the track goes. I wouldn't be surprised if there will be some Ring-newbie "PGR2 Driving Gods" who have some seriously scary moments and probably, some nasty crashes too come this Easter!!

Having said all that, racing on Xbox Live over the winter with friends who I only really get to see when at the Ring helps pass the winter "off" season

Matt

Wurzel

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scared the **** out of me first time I drove the Nürburgring easter 2001!!! I felt safer racing home down the autobahn

It is no way flat there are hills and dips in it, the TV does not do it justice IMHO.

Mungo

If you want a proper 'Ring simulation, get GP Legends on PC. It's most certainly not flat-out the whole way on that!!

johnfelstead

Here is what Diesel and I have put together so far, we hope to finish it off this coming weekend.

Below are some screenshots showing some of the major features, they show you the amount of detail we have programmed into the video, all is updating in real time.

To the lower left is a reverse view image, above that is a lap timer, next up is the inclination of the road, then we have corner name and finally at the top is a scrolling circuit map that shows you where on the track you are. The map is oriented so upwards is always directly ahead, so as you take a corner the map follows your path and rotates. It zooms in and out on occasion to show you where in the full lap image you are and you have a flashing diamond on the maps to reference against when it does this.









On this particular lap we have produced some graphics that show you the main circuit features and in red the ideal racing line. As you drive the circuit the red hand to the right of the graphics follows where you are on track, so it’s pointing you to the exact corner the footage is showing. Top right is a map of the circuit, the red diamond follows your location and scrolls round the map, so again you can reference where on the circuit you are. You also have the corner names listed in the front wing area.







Hope you like it so far.

Buckrogers

John the vid pic's with the added features looks really good.

Brendan Hughes

If it's not too late, may I suggest to swap the reverse view image and the map, so you get reverse view in the top left? That way it would naturally be like a rear-view mirror from the driver's viewpoint. (Assuming I understood reverse view correctly!)

Just a thought.

T5NYW

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My first lap of the Ring was about 10.5 mins I did put it on Scoobynet some time back
This was more of a How not to do it video Even though I was taking it easy on first Lap I still had an off in the Fox hole.not sure of german name.

My lacking of inexperience in Track work, especially with Bikes on circuit was at fault.

I tried to give loads of room to overtake a Biker(who was easying up for me to overtake) but I went way off racing line, athough got around that corner I was too fast and on the wrong side of the road to make the next unseen hairpin. At least I only compromise myself and not a very vunerable Biker.

Tony

johnfelstead

thanks for the sugestion Brendan, i'll think about that. Thanks buck.

RichiW

VERY impressive John!!

I'm going to the ring at easter, first time there so the video will be invaluble, i carnt wait until you have it completed!

ian_sadler

I'll be able to tell you next month after a long w/e clocking up loadsa laps in a boxter s

johnfelstead

Thanks Richi, neither can I.

johnfelstead

No. sadly not, that would have been awesome.

Scooby96

Next time?

mutant_matt

Actually Tony, you went off at Adenaur Forst Either your mate should have spoken faster or you should have been going slower (I would have recommended the latter, not the former! )

Matt

T5NYW

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Matt,
Cheers ans as always good common sense which I always seem to lose as I put a crash hat on.

John f,
Your Video seems great really imformitive it would have been a god send prior to my first trip there As you say there are so many unsighted corners, but there were 6-7 places, like Adenaur Forst that are well worth driving with great caution. IMHO

Tony

mutant_matt

LOL - well you did the sensible thing at Bedford when you were getting brake fade.....

Only 6-7? Try 50-60

Matt

T5NYW

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LOL must have had my eyes closed for them, I should have said 50 bad and 6-7 very bad

Bedford,
Yes, bad brake fade and bad handling I found I had a lost/broken anti roll bar bolt so it was getting a pig to handle.

Tony

mutant_matt

Do you know why you were getting fade? You shouldn't with the STi brakes.....have you got braided lines and decent fluid?

Matt

jameswrx

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Check out the Skyline GTR DVD, excellent footage of the ring in Shin's Prospec 550bhp R34 GTR with Dirk Schoyman (sp?), unreal driving, speedo over 180mph in places, ar*e out at well over the ton and a wetlap, which is nice!.

mutant_matt

James,

Where can I get that from then?

Matt

T5NYW

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Matt,
It was the first time I've ever had brake fade with the STi. My fault really, I wasn't driving smoothly and pads were credit card thickness. I've got braided and 4.1(I think)

Tony

jameswrx

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Matt, you can get it online here from dvd plus, good service and you can check their stock, it only took 3 days to get to me, £11.97 (inc postage iirc).

It's the GTR story (don't know if you're interested in it?), worth having IMO, see Shin doing 200mph + on roads back through germany. Plus the lap of the ring with Dirk, talks through it too which is good. The best ring laps are in the extras, there is 2 full laps in the DVD extras section which is where he 'goes for it', most impressive. Worth £12 just to keep watching him drive.

Can be found here http://www.shopcreator.com/mall/dvdplus/frameset.cfm

andym172

Any of you guys seen this DVD: http://ensim01.ffm.m2soft.com/renn.t...455d610c3b80e6 ?

Looks pretty impressive...

davyboy

Yep, I have it - its pretty good too.

mutant_matt

Me too - it rocks! Better than the Derek Bell Porsche 956 vid for sure!

Matt

P.S. James, thanks
P.P.S. James, can't find it on that site. Is it the Duke Video GTR Story (i.e. this?)

jameswrx

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Matt, thats the one mate. It is on that site, put skyline in their search engine on the site, it's hard to find on there, but cheapest I've seen and was fast delivery.

T5NYW

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My mates hosted my old "Ring" video up This is 41 meg so might take a week and a fortnight on modem

As I said before this was my very first lap and you will be watching a driving enthuisast not a Racing Driver
save as 41 meg

Tony