WIBES69

the figures are def 470 lb/torque,
dms automotive if anyones intrested, cost me £695, best money ever spent!!!

Gubbins

...i think you're quoting NM (metric) ... if it's 470NM torque, that's 360lbs/ft. If it's 520, then that's 400lbs/ft. Feels about right - around 25% increase on power and torque.

PPPMAT

330 would be a nice car. HAve the same engine in my Z4 and its superb. PLenty of torque and pulls nicely. I wouldn't think there would be anything in it really between a standard WRX though for normal everyday driving

GRANT

Also 90% of the torque is availiable at just 1800rpm so you just leave it in gear instead of having to change down.

And saves shed load on petrol comparred to a 370bhp Scooby.

Ex Scooby STi7 to Z4

Grant

Phil M

The 330d sounds fast, it'd catch an M3 driver if he was in the wrong gear but not if he was ragging it..

MGJohn

If the various 330 figures quoted here can be relied upon, then I now fully understand the outcome of my little 'matching strides' experiments. I did however understate the not trying bit .... that was a deliberate ploy BOTH were trying BIG TIME. Both pulled up sheepishly BEHIND me when we stopped at the lights two miles ahead, despite there being free lanes alongside me and clear dual carriageways ahead. I do not exaggerate! Dont see BMW drivers do that too often..... do we..... As I said, I expected better.

And 'tiggers' ....If and when the superb example of the T16 turbo in my particular car ever explodes (110,000 k and still turbine smooth and strong), I do hope it's alongside something like that .... many a true word and all that .... However, those T16s, they're rather good y'know .... but, I suspect you really know that being automotively 'in the know' ....

tiggers

MGJohn,

If my wife's experience of 220 Coupe Turbo ownership is anything to go by the T16 turbo is the least of your worries. Quite simply the worst put together and most unreliable car we ever owned, maybe we were unlucky, but I'm not brave enough to find out.

tiggers.

NACRO

I doubt MG John has ever had any problems with any of his Rovers- if he had he wouldn't dare say anyway, it might give people the right idea about the marque. Better to pretend that it's 100% reliable and is one of the fastest cars on the road, that way you don't lose face on a BBs dedicated to Subarus.

PEE1

Let's not beat around the bush here. The 330d is a refined, punchy, economical, well made prestige car, but in performance terms it ain't that quick! over 20secs 0-100, 30-70 in 7.9secs (Honda Accord 2.0 does 7.5secs). Worse still is that most of the people who drive them tend to think it's the fastest thing on the road.

NACRO

ahh but in the real world those figures count for nothing.......it's all about in gear performance apparently. If you can't be bothered to change down that is/can't work out which gear you should be in.











Of course I'm just kidding, I used to DESTROY a 330D on a weekly basis as part of my commute to work. He's given up trying now, probably waiting for me to run out of petrol as it's the only way he'll be going faster.

WIBES69

i beg to differ here im afraid, i have owned scoobys for the past 6 years including 2 RB5s and a P1, my 330d 241 bhp has a 0-60 of around 6 seconds, it wouldnt beat a scooby up to 30mph but up to 60 there wouldnt be more than half a car length in it, but lets be honest, i will go twice as far on 1 tank of juice and its a much nicer place to be sitting!!!
there isnt another car all round that compares, and ive been on both sides of the fence.

Gubbins

"...but up to 60 there wouldnt be more than half a car length in it..."

er...which Scooby are you talking about??? Standard WRX - ok, yes. STI PPP no. Not even close. Not to 30, 60, 100. Get real. You may have 240bhp, but you've also got a load of weight. I think you'll find a well driven STI or simmarlarly powered car will be lengths ahead, esp. once in the twisties. 30-70 is the key measure anyway. I suspect your car is around the 5.5 second mark, assuming the power you state. Is it?

MGJohn

Doubting narky NACRO's wrong again.... true to form, what a misery that geezer ! ....

On my way to work suddenly lost all drive in the old Tomcat. I'm thinking gearbox, differential, clutch ...... as I coasted to a layby ...none of the above... The previous owner had some work done professionally on the gearbox and it appears the all important circlip which retains the splined driveshaft end in the outer CV joint was omitted so the shaft end finally worked it's way to freedom. Result, loss of drive. NARCO would have me blame the car! Who would you blame? I blame whoever omitted that circlip! Those with less mechanical 'nouse' (the majority?) would probably blame the car too. After all, listening to those of a NARCO mentality, and there are still far too many of those miseries unfortunately, what else are they to believe?

The folder of history which came with the car confirmed it has been well cared for ... by professionals. Sadly, even they can drop a bollock!

Now it's worth repeating, in forty plus years of driving products from Abingdon, Cowley and Longbridge, I've never had to call out the AA for any of them, unlike some 'superior' marques I could mention!

WIBES69

Gubbins
im not comparing my 330d to a scooby, as i said i have a silver WRX on the drive, they are a different driving experience all together, its like comparing a Caterham to a scooby, about as quick as each other in standard form but give me the scooby for practicality all day long, the guy was asking about 330i sport,

im just saying consider the 330d with remap as youve got your economy,toys,comfort, decent insurance costs, and plenty of pace and torque,
allrounder, as i said,
thats why theres scoobys for sale everywhere but how many 330d are about? rocking horse s@@t mate and theres a good reason why!!

MGJohn

Rocking horse .....

In my area BMWs of all types are more numerous than medium or larger sized Fords and Scoobys have become much more frequent too but not as common as BMWs. Saw Impreza locally recently with REG No. 'SCOOBY'... don't know how that number was made up .... wonder if he's ever been stopped by the plod.. ... anyone's on here.... Silver car IIRC.... with loudish exhaust.

[Edited by MGJohn - 1/20/2004 7:28:10 PM]

tiggers

MGJohn,
So you're in the RAC then

Seriously though - I should start doing the lottery - you have to be the luckiest man alive!

Sorry, but that Rover Coupe we had was a piece of crap - poor build, poor engineering and poorly (nearly all the time). Will never ever buy a MGR product again.

tiggers.

[Edited by tiggers - 1/20/2004 10:33:18 PM]

Gubbins

WIBES69 - BMW sell more 330d (saloon/estate and soon coupe) than Subaru sell WRX's. They are not rare - the reason I sold my 330ci is that I was bored of feeling so anonymous - they're bloody everywhere. The sport kit now seems to be on every model, including the poxy engined ones.

The main difference between the deisel and petrol, even if the 0-60 is similar with mods, is that yours is lazily quick, the petrol zippily quick - much more fun and satisfying to my mind in the petrol, and you still have a decent wodge of torque at 1500 revs, plus a really big power band.

WIBES69

Total BMW magazine
issue feb 2004

quote;
the 330d ranks alongside the V8-powered M5 as one of the best BMWs ever made,

quote;
go for auto which masks the very small amount of turbo lag,
and if thats not enough value for you,just a few minutes work by a remapping specialist and you will be taking on M3s-and winning,

my point was its a great alternative to the 330i,
point proven me thinks,
by the way after several 0-60 runs on the stopwatch on mine, which is tiptronic so im losing a bit my average time 0-60 was 5.9 seconds,not bad for a smoker!!!!!

Gubbins

330d taking on an M3 and winning - oh dear...absolutely not possible, end of story. I don't care what a BMW rag says. What does everyone else think????

fatherpierre

It might have an in-gear portion of speed that matches or beats an M3's time. If it's true it'd only be a 30-50 or 40-60 in a specific gear.

Gubbins

only applies when you compare gear-for-gear (e.g. at 80-100mph, 5th gear in both cars) - the m3 would be in a lower gear/higher revs and would therefore have significantly more power and acceleration.

fatherpierre

>>>>>>>>>Echoe<<& lt;<<<<<

WIBES69

some people just dont get it!!!!!
beat an M3!!!! oh dear dear dear,
comparing in gear 40 to 60, 30 to 70,
missin the point chaps,
its a diesel!!
an amazing diesel,
the fact is that a scooby or an M3 might pip it at santa pod,
or in the twisties,
but thats it,pip it, not off into the distance anymore,
if jensen button can get pulled doing 144mph in one,
thats enough street cred for me!!!!

but it will never be enough for some,

Gubbins

"but it will never be enough for some"...from someone who's chipped his car!!!

"beat an M3!!!! oh dear dear dear," - you quoted it - from the BMW rag, which said "...taking on M3s-and winning"

just pip it - come on...GET REAL!!! you won't see a well driven M3 for dust matey. Just enjoy your fuel economy and forget any pretentions of having a properly fast car.

I'm now very bored.

WIBES69

infact gubbins
mr no way end of!!
what do you drive mate?
your only in warks!
wouldnt it be great to try it out!
i have, ive got a 245bhp wrx and beleive me there aint nothin in it, degrading i know as my pal and i went off the line, him in the BMW and me in me scooby,
were still debating now who won,
lets place a wager!!!
you blow away the diesel,you win the money,
a car length or less,
moneys mine and tail between your legs!!
that is ofcourse unless your running a 250bhp scooby or more

Gubbins

Decat STI03 PPP.

NACRO

A very angry French driver would beg to differ with the opinion on the speed of a 330D- he was hammered upto 100 from a standing start on the autoroute. It's happened on more occasions than I care to quantify. We pull up to the peage, straight through as we both have tags and I usually try and make sure it's at the same time. I then mash the throttle, so does he, and he is left for dead (well maybe a a few truck lengths). The only time he ever gets past is when I ease off at 160kph to avoid getting gaoled.

I see this guy most days and judging from the murderous looks he gives me and the car it p1sses him off royally that his car isn't very quick. AFAIK it is very difficult to modify cars performance here and comply with the law so perhaps that explains it, his car is standard, mine isn't. I know which car I'd rather own and it isn't the BMW, it's just too slow.

Duck_Pond

In a straight line, off an island, from about 40mph, my standard UK Turbo Impreza left a 330i for dead, and I know he was trying because up to the point the car in front of me doing 40 moved, the 330i was tailgating me (probably annoyed I'd overtaken him on the previous stretch).

He had a passenger, and I had two. Maybe his was a duffer - a Friday afternoon car, maybe not. On other occasions when I've felt compelled to race 330's I've pulled away from them.

However, on the motorway from about 70 / 80mph, the diesel version left me for dead (I was in 5th).

I'd say it all depends on the situation, driver, conditions, as all such "my car is faster than yours" debates conclude.

Let's face it - if the diesel engine was so good, the M3 would use it. It doesn't.

WIBES69

saying my piece before i leave,
how anybody can state that any car that does 0-60 in around 6 seconds is just to slow amazes me, take every performance car from integrale to escort cossie,scooby,evo, RB5,
there all between 5-6 seconds in standard form
this is a comfy,well made,pacy,economical car,
about time people evolved from the clarkson theory of if its diesel its s''t!!!
and moved on,
i have...

NACRO

I think the M division doesn't use diesels because of their characteristics ie low revving which wouldn't suit an 'M' car.

Make no mistake the diesel unit used by BMW is a cracking motor, it just doesn't offer as much speed for your cash as say a petrol equivalent.

AS an aside has anyone read the track test that Autocar did comparing the Sport Ka (1.6 petrol) and the Fabia RS (vag diesel). The sport Ka won hands down, diesels just don't seem to suit performance driving- yet.