Dark Blue Mark

Probably running it in or just couldn't be bothered to try. It would have wasted you with ease

MB

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well...if this helps, here is video of my old wagon (2.0 GT 208hp with scoobyecu and full decat) vs. M3 (full supersprint exhaust) so you can get impression what can 280hp wrx do vs m3...friend in m3 used launch control here and smg was set for fastest change (i think is mode 6...not sure)...

Video 3Mb - Save As Target Please

BlackScoobyWRX

Not another f'in Impreza v BMW thread - at the end of the day boys n'girls it's down to what's under the bonnet. Spend £40k on a scoob and it would take just about anything.
Fact is - buy a decent scoob for £10k spend £5k on mods and it will take on any BMW and put in a good show - it's all down to the driver at the end of the day.
You'll still get more looks in a STi coz an M3 is just another repmobile - they really don't bother me at all

Dark Blue Mark

Cant get that clip to work CeeDee

It saves as an AVi, then will only play sound.

MB

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2 DBM : works fine here m8...u r missing a right codec as it works ok with windows media player...

Dark Blue Mark

Got it now

Impressive! The scoob does have a lot of mods though

MB

NACRO

nice video CeeDee, that wagon shifts. Funny watching the Impreza launch, damn they are fast with the right technique. At the traffic light GP the Impreza would be well ahead.


edited thought I'd add- a decat and scooby ECU are the cheapest modifications going, is that really all you have CeeDee? I have the same and knew my wagon was nippy, explains why it seems a lot faster than most other cars


[Edited by NACRO - 1/23/2004 9:49:44 AM]

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

You will be chewed up and spat out by the E46 M3, they are one very quick car (around 12.3 to 100 and they go even quicker after that )

Tony

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2 DBM : not a lot...just what i seid..

2 NACRO : regarding performance mods where :

scobyecu (1,15b)
full decat inc. downpipe
blitz SUS

and that would be all

i think she (impreza ) gave a good fight to m3 with 340+ hp considering it's normal EU GT preza with starting 208hp...

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2 Tony : watch the video of e46 m3 smg2 and than we can talk...

Dazza's-STi

An M3 wont do 100 in 10 odd... A new m3 will "best time" 100 in 12.12 seconds- quicker than my Sti PPP....
With 343bhp the Bm has a considerable amount of go... so don't think a WRX in roughly standard trim wil outpace an M3, of the line maybe the scoob would just edge it, but once rolling the power differnce it quite high!
Figures taken from Autocar 0-100-0 challenge done each year.
If a car was full second behind the M3 to 100, that is over 100m on the road...
In the real world though, if both cars were @ 50mph and floored it... thier would be very little in it! the M3 would edge away.
it would take a TVR Tuscan S or somthing simlar to just leave it behind.

Quarter mile times for the M3 and STI are around the same..
At the last drag meet an m3 did 13.63 fastest, I did a 13.04

but really almost all cars around the 200bhp per ton are neck and neck i.e. real world very even.!

NACRO

So the moral of the story is to give a surprise to the E46 upto 70mph and try to pick a road with speed cameras on it, if they want to go faster then they can pay the penalty.

I'll be quite happy taking on an E46 from the traffic lights upto the speed limit considering my Impreza cost the same as a set of alloys for the M3 (probably less). Should be fun looking for a smug E46 owner to dust at the traffic light GP.

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

CeeDee,
Ive encountered an E46 M3 SMG and it slaughtered me (i had an MY00 PPP'd 260+bhp impreza turbo), a 215bhp impreza would have no change against one. My new car on the other hand would have a very good chance though

Tony

Dazza's-STi

I slight error on my part... at 100mph a gap of 1 second would be 44.704m...
this isn't the whole story though the gap could be closer or further dependant on acceleration, this being the variable...
Phew... fell like I back at the physics class!
Still the same outcome though, M3 in front to 100; but real would closer than you would think.

Do as i did, greasy road around a tight roundabout... against an M3 left it out of the roundabout and slowed down into the 40 zone "conveniently 200 yards up the road" hehe... made the Scoob look supa quick!

NACRO

Have you watched the video Tony?

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

I dont think there is any point in watching the video, the facts speak for themselves (and i was rolling and not from a standing start).
The SMG will waste pretty much any scoob due to gear ratio's, you have to think that 60-100mph its quicker than the sti type uk PPP, after 100 it will be quicker still.
Video's only show one driver against another, if that one driver isnt any good then someone in a mondeo can launch better off the line then they will be quicker initially.
My old car wasnt a slouch but the SMG wasted me (due mainly to gear ratio's).

Tony

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2 tony : m3 on video as i seid before used launch control...and you change gears with floored pedal...but since you don't want to watch video i think maybe you should read your post once more...specially this parts ->

"...My old car wasnt a slouch but the SMG wasted me..." vs. "...if that one driver isnt any good then someone in a mondeo can launch better off the line..."

Makes u think, doesn't it ?

Video is just an example of GT vs. M3...nothing more...friend of mine in m3 is not a bad driver (far from it) and he knows he's way with rwd cars...Video is not serving to say Impreza is faster or slower...it's just a video of us trying to find an answer what will be outcam if we put our cars head 2 head...nothing more, nothing less...

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

I watched the vid, to me you had slightly better reaction times but from then on in the M3 was the quicker car, it looked like it wasted you basically, it would also waste the likes of 300bhp scoobs (its down to gearing again).
When i had a blast with an e46 M3 it was from around 70mph (120kmh) and i didnt have the gearing to keep up with him, if you want a real test of power, try a 60-100mph run, that will see which is the quicker car, i will tell you that it wont be the impreza either

Tony

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well Tony....some facts of life 4 u



sorry it's not an m3 but top of the line m3 csl

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Some facts for you also
Notice the 3rd car in the list
Honestly, i do own one

Tony

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Oh i should also point out that it has a 6 speed gearbox so its better ratio'd for the likes of M3's

Tony

RICH WILD

Just checked and it's the M Coupe that is quoted as doing 0-100 in the high tens, not the M3 as I originally put.

I'm surprised there's THAT much difference though. As the M coupe is the one with the 321bhp engine. Would have thought the 344 of the new one would have offset the weight difference.

Surely, the weight difference isn't that much.

Rich

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2 tony : great for you but that doesnt change a facts...

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Ive already stated the facts, even a standard E46 M3 is quicker than a 280ps wrx, your looking at a good seconds difference to 100 mph and the scoob will get off the line quicker (so that means the M3 has already passed the scoob by 100mph, much quicker car basically).
Even i know that a scoob (of a classic nature) would need 350bhp plus to outpace an M3, the SMG will be quicker through the gears giving it the edge there, so the conclusion is still the same, M3 1, 280ps WRX import 0

Tony

NACRO

Yes Tony, but as you admit you will be able to hammer an M3 upto legal speeds on UK roads. Good enough for me. Traffic Light GP Wagon humiliation is funny.

Dazza's-STi

Tony...
Wrong.
The M3 will not watse an STI, the term waste would apply to a Noble M12 or TVR tuscan against an M3...
like i said between an M3 and a STi PPP there's .5 of a sceond to 100...as proven in the last two years Autocar 0-100 test.
No point everyone going on about it its down to the fact that the M3 and an scoob with around 300 bhp have around 210 bhp per tonne.
Physics and initial grip of the line do the rest.
It can never be a walkover by either car...
A STI ppp would pass the ton .5 of a second behind a M3 but get to 60 .4 of a second quicker...
Imagine and count .5 of a second and that's the difference!
plus in the quarty mile I've done a 13.04, in a Stock STI ppp no other mods. Not seen many M3 times around lower.. have you..

By the way, I really-really like the M3 as a complete package its bang on, and having had a nice 330i I do like Bm's. And in no way am I faouring the Scoob. Figures are plane and simple -very even!



[Edited by Dazza's-STi - 1/23/2004 9:21:51 PM]

sti-spec-a

M3 vs JDM Spec C on 102 ron fuel now thats fair

Cheers Grunt

Dazza's-STi

Sorry din't read the thread fully...
I was quoting an STI, for the WRX even with around 270bhp, the M3 would be a fair bit it front... i recon around 25-35m

Bobby Peru

So how'd you think my P1 with full de-cat Blitz Nur Spec R would fare aginst an e46 M3?

john banks

"The SMG will waste pretty much any scoob due to gear ratio's"

Not quite if the Scooby will do 0-125 in the wet in the time the M3 takes to do 0-100 in the dry Now that is funny, but only an M5 has had a play so far

[Edited by john banks - 1/24/2004 1:29:50 AM]