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11 July 2001, 11:33 AM
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Jerry,
303bhp and 279lbft so
Dowser,
didnt read matts thread, but pat used to use a ribbon cable to extend the leds away from the box unit.
He would then find any suitable strip, and drill the correct number of holes to place the leds in.
these include the instrument panel surround, better on the prefacelift as there is more room but still do-able and in perfect line of fite to keep an eye on.
I have the boxes in place in mine, side by side. Bob rawle fits these perfectly in the second din slot for the radio if you have an inferior jap car
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Jerry,
303bhp and 279lbft so
Dowser,
didnt read matts thread, but pat used to use a ribbon cable to extend the leds away from the box unit.
He would then find any suitable strip, and drill the correct number of holes to place the leds in.
these include the instrument panel surround, better on the prefacelift as there is more room but still do-able and in perfect line of fite to keep an eye on.
I have the boxes in place in mine, side by side. Bob rawle fits these perfectly in the second din slot for the radio if you have an inferior jap car
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12 July 2001, 04:54 PM
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Cheers Andy,
Very informative, the dyno site. I await your new power run with the standard ECU and same settup. Should be very interesting.
WREXY.
Very informative, the dyno site. I await your new power run with the standard ECU and same settup. Should be very interesting.
WREXY.
14 July 2001, 03:51 PM
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Wrexy,
It was a bit odd today!!
The car: MY99 UK Tubro
Modifications: Scoobysport Downpipe, Scoobysport Downpipe, Magnex Centre (with resonator), Unifilter RamPod Inductor, MRT Cold Air Feed Pipe, HKS EVC4.
With the PPP ECU the figures were: <B>280bhp/252lbft</B>
Today on a warmer day, with the standard ECU, the figures were: <B>278bhp/273lbft</B>
I'm not complaining!!
Just curious to where I magic'd up over 20lbft of torque from??? Obviously I'm not comparing like-for-like conditions!
Cheers
Andy
It was a bit odd today!!
The car: MY99 UK Tubro
Modifications: Scoobysport Downpipe, Scoobysport Downpipe, Magnex Centre (with resonator), Unifilter RamPod Inductor, MRT Cold Air Feed Pipe, HKS EVC4.
With the PPP ECU the figures were: <B>280bhp/252lbft</B>
Today on a warmer day, with the standard ECU, the figures were: <B>278bhp/273lbft</B>
I'm not complaining!!
Just curious to where I magic'd up over 20lbft of torque from??? Obviously I'm not comparing like-for-like conditions!Cheers
Andy
14 July 2001, 04:48 PM
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Cheers Andy,
Excellent figures. That torque is huge. And it was a warmer day!!! You'd think you would have less on a warm day. Great stuff though. Well it looks like there is no point in me going for a PPP ECU. Andy do you think the car felt more torquey to you after you put the standard ECU back in after driving it?.
That's big power without an aftermarket ECU or re map of any kind. Tops
Thanks for the info once again Andy, You've helped me out heaps with that comparo.
Kind Regards,
WREXY.
Excellent figures. That torque is huge.
And it was a warmer day!!! You'd think you would have less on a warm day. Great stuff though. Well it looks like there is no point in me going for a PPP ECU. Andy do you think the car felt more torquey to you after you put the standard ECU back in after driving it?.That's big power without an aftermarket ECU or re map of any kind. Tops
Thanks for the info once again Andy, You've helped me out heaps with that comparo.
Kind Regards,
WREXY.
14 July 2001, 07:19 PM
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Wrexy,
The car felt the same!
Then again, I'd be the first to admit that I really drive my car to the limit or the redline! My girlfriend suggests that maybe one of the reasons it consistantly produces big figures, as the car isn't under constant abuse! Well it's a theory anyway!
I have a graph of the standard ECU and the Prodrive ECU done on the same day, with the same conditions, I'll post it when I get it scanned in.
After seeing this, I would buy a boost controller instead of the PPP!! My personal opinion, rather than a recommendation.
Althought, I will be going down the Link road anyway!
Obviously figures will be posted when I have them!!
Good luck in your search for more power!
Andy
The car felt the same!
Then again, I'd be the first to admit that I really drive my car to the limit or the redline! My girlfriend suggests that maybe one of the reasons it consistantly produces big figures, as the car isn't under constant abuse! Well it's a theory anyway!I have a graph of the standard ECU and the Prodrive ECU done on the same day, with the same conditions, I'll post it when I get it scanned in.
After seeing this, I would buy a boost controller instead of the PPP!! My personal opinion, rather than a recommendation.
Althought, I will be going down the Link road anyway!
Obviously figures will be posted when I have them!!
Good luck in your search for more power!
Andy
14 July 2001, 11:12 PM
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Andy,
Sorry, I assumed you knew. I should have made myself clearer m8. I already have a Blitz DSBC running roughly 1.2 bar, lowering it to 1.1 bar roughly for summer, with standard ECU on my car, along with a 5 zigen exhaust backbox and midsection (catless mid), an APS cold air induction kit with K&N filter, a Fuel cut defender, Blitz blow off valve and Blitz turbo timer. A Knocklink should be arriving any day now.
I want to get a Unichip or a link ECU and the idling and aircon issue will be what will make me decide. But I have to come to the UK for that as that's where the good mappers are. This may take a year or so. I was thinking of getting a PPP ECU if there were any advantages over the standard ECU for now and when you said that you had the PPP ECU with the boost controller and then swapped over to the standard ECU, but still running the boost controller, it was the perfect comparison test for me and now I know.
Once again thanks for your valuable information and thanks for wishing me luck with my horsepower search. I've recently found out that there is the first 4WD RR in Athens and when I get my car dyno'd I'll let you know how I went. I'll wait a couple of months though, coz we are going to have +35 deg Celsius days all summer and I don't want to risk anything.
I also wish you the best of luck and look forward to reading more of your valuable input to the bbs. That graph will be very interesting. Looking forward to it.
Kind Regards,
WREXY.
PS Sorry to have a gone off topic people.
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Sorry, I assumed you knew. I should have made myself clearer m8. I already have a Blitz DSBC running roughly 1.2 bar, lowering it to 1.1 bar roughly for summer, with standard ECU on my car, along with a 5 zigen exhaust backbox and midsection (catless mid), an APS cold air induction kit with K&N filter, a Fuel cut defender, Blitz blow off valve and Blitz turbo timer. A Knocklink should be arriving any day now.
I want to get a Unichip or a link ECU and the idling and aircon issue will be what will make me decide. But I have to come to the UK for that as that's where the good mappers are.
This may take a year or so. I was thinking of getting a PPP ECU if there were any advantages over the standard ECU for now and when you said that you had the PPP ECU with the boost controller and then swapped over to the standard ECU, but still running the boost controller, it was the perfect comparison test for me and now I know. Once again thanks for your valuable information and thanks for wishing me luck with my horsepower search.
I've recently found out that there is the first 4WD RR in Athens and when I get my car dyno'd I'll let you know how I went. I'll wait a couple of months though, coz we are going to have +35 deg Celsius days all summer and I don't want to risk anything. I also wish you the best of luck and look forward to reading more of your valuable input to the bbs.
That graph will be very interesting. Looking forward to it.Kind Regards,
WREXY.
PS Sorry to have a gone off topic people.
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16 July 2001, 12:11 AM
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Thanks Andy,
that's very interesting good increase in torque from 2700 to around 5500 revs. Not much difference in power though. However by the addition of the boost controller (not on the graph) you have increased power by 15 and torque by 21. An excellent gain.
I'd be interested in the graphs of the differences between the PPP ECU and standard ECU with the boost controller also, if it's not to much trouble Andy. No rush, whenever you have them or whenever you have time.
Thanks again M8
Regards,
WREXY.
that's very interesting good increase in torque from 2700 to around 5500 revs. Not much difference in power though. However by the addition of the boost controller (not on the graph) you have increased power by 15 and torque by 21. An excellent gain.
I'd be interested in the graphs of the differences between the PPP ECU and standard ECU with the boost controller also, if it's not to much trouble Andy. No rush, whenever you have them or whenever you have time.
Thanks again M8
Regards,
WREXY.
16 July 2001, 12:18 AM
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Actually, there is an improvement in power, in the midrange from again 2700 to 5500. That extra power and torque is what you would be feeling on the road. That's why I like graphs coz you can see the power/torque everywhere and you can get an impression of how the car will feel. Good one ANDY.
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16 July 2001, 12:22 AM
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Hi Wrexy,
It's tougher to compare the car using the boost controller and the two ECU's as they were done on different days, with different conditions.
The one with PPP ECU can be found on the dyno site here:
It's tougher to compare the car using the boost controller and the two ECU's as they were done on different days, with different conditions.
The one with PPP ECU can be found on the dyno site here:
16 July 2001, 12:42 AM
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Andy,
That's right, I've seen that one. The one from Saturday is the last one we need. I know they're on different days and if the second run would have been done on a colder day I would have said that the increase in torque was due to the cold day, but in your case you increased torque with worse conditions being hotter with the standard ECU, which means if it was cold you probably would have made even more. That's why the comparo is still interesting.
Cheers,
WREXY.
That's right, I've seen that one. The one from Saturday is the last one we need. I know they're on different days and if the second run would have been done on a colder day I would have said that the increase in torque was due to the cold day, but in your case you increased torque with worse conditions being hotter with the standard ECU, which means if it was cold you probably would have made even more. That's why the comparo is still interesting.
Cheers,
WREXY.
16 July 2001, 11:25 AM
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Wrexy,
Here's the graph of my car, with the standard ECU and the PPP ECU on the same day.
The car only had Scoobysport downpipe, Scoobysport backbox, Magnex centre pipe with resonator, Unifilter RamPod Induction kit, MRT cold air feed pipe, Prodrive Intercooler pipework, Forge recirculating dump valve and HKS Irdium spark plugs.
No boost controller was being used on these runs, and the ambient temperature was between 10-12 celius.
I noticed the difference on the road, although the figures aren't a huge improvement!
Sorry it's off track guys, but it was an interesting experiment (and costly!!)
Andy
Here's the graph of my car, with the standard ECU and the PPP ECU on the same day.
The car only had Scoobysport downpipe, Scoobysport backbox, Magnex centre pipe with resonator, Unifilter RamPod Induction kit, MRT cold air feed pipe, Prodrive Intercooler pipework, Forge recirculating dump valve and HKS Irdium spark plugs.
No boost controller was being used on these runs, and the ambient temperature was between 10-12 celius.
I noticed the difference on the road, although the figures aren't a huge improvement!
Sorry it's off track guys, but it was an interesting experiment (and costly!!)
Andy
17 July 2001, 11:10 PM
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Cheers Andy,
It seems the torque spread through the rev range is similar (latest run) to your run with the PPP ECU and boost controller from 2600 to about 5500 but with a higher figure of 273 lbft right through, however it seems to drop off 200 revs earlier than it did before (PPP, boost controller) which is F... all.
I've come to the conclusion that the PPP ECU is a waste of money if it is to be run with an EBC as the standard ECU does the job if not better.
Andy I thank you for your time you spent with providing me with this info. It was most valuable and interesting.
Kind Regards,
WREXY.
PS. A thanks to Pete Croney who also advised against the PPP ECU with an EBC on the SIDC bbs.
It seems the torque spread through the rev range is similar (latest run) to your run with the PPP ECU and boost controller from 2600 to about 5500 but with a higher figure of 273 lbft right through,
however it seems to drop off 200 revs earlier than it did before (PPP, boost controller) which is F... all.I've come to the conclusion that the PPP ECU is a waste of money if it is to be run with an EBC as the standard ECU does the job if not better.
Andy I thank you for your time you spent with providing me with this info. It was most valuable and interesting.
Kind Regards,
WREXY.
PS. A thanks to Pete Croney who also advised against the PPP ECU with an EBC on the SIDC bbs.
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Hi, This seems like an interesting point to nip in and ask a question to the bods on here.
Whats the difference between an import WRX and an import STi (probably goes in to millions of things, but a generallisation will do if pos.)
Thanks.
p.s. Adam M, Do you work at the Ford Dunton R&E in Essex?
Trev.
Whats the difference between an import WRX and an import STi (probably goes in to millions of things, but a generallisation will do if pos.)
Thanks.
p.s. Adam M, Do you work at the Ford Dunton R&E in Essex?
Trev.
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Tizard,
I work in patents, mostly relating to engine internals, vvt, vvl, etc. Exhaust efficiency, egr etc.
My main clients are teh ford motor company as as such I used to work in house for them, but that was at their head office in warley. I occasionally worked at an office inside dunton, but this was perhaps twice in my life max?
Why do you ask?
Ian,
prepare to be flamed,
well kinda.
Blue printed engines and gearboxes were only on special editions, and even then , we arent sure which.
stis, have different valve gear, capable of withstanding 8000 rpm. this did change from version to version, the sti 2s revving to to 7500. Earlier ones came with water spray too.
Apparently pistons are forged, but craig hs, apparently are not. some are closed deck blocks too.
I work in patents, mostly relating to engine internals, vvt, vvl, etc. Exhaust efficiency, egr etc.
My main clients are teh ford motor company as as such I used to work in house for them, but that was at their head office in warley. I occasionally worked at an office inside dunton, but this was perhaps twice in my life max?
Why do you ask?
Ian,
prepare to be flamed,
well kinda.
Blue printed engines and gearboxes were only on special editions, and even then , we arent sure which.
stis, have different valve gear, capable of withstanding 8000 rpm. this did change from version to version, the sti 2s revving to to 7500. Earlier ones came with water spray too.
Apparently pistons are forged, but craig hs, apparently are not. some are closed deck blocks too.
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