IMPORTANT STATEMENT - Change of focus for scoobynet community
23 January 2004, 04:53 PM
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\m/ ^_^ \m/
nice to see a constructive thread for once, and i feel it's all leading somewhere positive - keep it up 
...oh, and sponsored links being at the bottom is alot less obtrusive
kev
...oh, and sponsored links being at the bottom is alot less obtrusive
kev
23 January 2004, 04:54 PM
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It is clear to me now that we are going to need to upgrade the software, probably to a standard off-the-shelf package like vBulletin. It has some great features and will allow us to impliment almost everything that has been suggested very quickly.
23 January 2004, 04:58 PM
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Please keep it on topic.
I will respond on this occasion. At time of writing the software, the off the shelf packages could not cope. We will obviously have to test any new software, but vbulletin is running some pretty serious sites with comparible or possibly even higher traffic than scoobynet.
All the best
Simon
Please keep it on topic.
I will respond on this occasion. At time of writing the software, the off the shelf packages could not cope. We will obviously have to test any new software, but vbulletin is running some pretty serious sites with comparible or possibly even higher traffic than scoobynet.
All the best
Simon
23 January 2004, 05:06 PM
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Simon - really like the idea of the Events arena - but how do we keep them "official" and can you include a "Scoobynet" presence at some of the bigger ones?
Would you look to sanction the organisers then?
For example I am running an RR Day at G-Force (a new sponsor for you I believe) tommorrow with about 70 people in attendence, and my posts often pushed off the (now) very busy Southern Section, so a dedicated area would be good.
Doesn't mean I like the new Google Ads, but as I was going to become a Plus Member anyway - it doesn't make a huge difference to me!
Would you look to sanction the organisers then?
For example I am running an RR Day at G-Force (a new sponsor for you I believe) tommorrow with about 70 people in attendence, and my posts often pushed off the (now) very busy Southern Section, so a dedicated area would be good.
Doesn't mean I like the new Google Ads, but as I was going to become a Plus Member anyway - it doesn't make a huge difference to me!
23 January 2004, 05:10 PM
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This might sound barmy but i'm going to say it anyway
Is there anyway of having a search done before you post (obviously excluding the search button
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Say like a a two tier process to post a new topic, first you click new topic then when you've entered topic title click a continue button which then does two things, first being searches bbs for similar topics then send you onto a page to type in your topic content with the top five applicable search findings being show at top of page, which you could then continue onto if you wished or carry on with post
Si
Is there anyway of having a search done before you post (obviously excluding the search button
)Say like a a two tier process to post a new topic, first you click new topic then when you've entered topic title click a continue button which then does two things, first being searches bbs for similar topics then send you onto a page to type in your topic content with the top five applicable search findings being show at top of page, which you could then continue onto if you wished or carry on with post
Si
23 January 2004, 05:14 PM
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The moderator team, shaun and I are talking about how this will be structured now. It needs to be 100% professional, officially sanctioned, have a scoobynet presence, and top quality.
Mr.Cookie
I personally love the idea, but it would be a massive load on the server and would also be a right pain for the regulars who just want to post.
I think vBulletin has a "similar threads to this" feature which might help though.
Cheers
Simon
The moderator team, shaun and I are talking about how this will be structured now. It needs to be 100% professional, officially sanctioned, have a scoobynet presence, and top quality.
Mr.Cookie
I personally love the idea, but it would be a massive load on the server and would also be a right pain for the regulars who just want to post.
I think vBulletin has a "similar threads to this" feature which might help though.
Cheers
Simon
23 January 2004, 05:19 PM
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Whatever happens I'm sure the forum will pull through, the strength of the true community - the people who truly try and help their fellow users - will make sure of that.
I've been knocking around on here for about 3 years (I know small post count, but I have to work you know
) and I have learned various personalities on here. These fellow users I am pretty sure would do what it takes (maybe pay a membership/put up with goggle ads) to ensure that the community which has probably answered some questions for them in needy times at some time during their membership.
If it means losing some of the idiots, then, you know what? I don't care
Keep it up lads/ladies
I've been knocking around on here for about 3 years (I know small post count, but I have to work you know
) and I have learned various personalities on here. These fellow users I am pretty sure would do what it takes (maybe pay a membership/put up with goggle ads) to ensure that the community which has probably answered some questions for them in needy times at some time during their membership.If it means losing some of the idiots, then, you know what? I don't care
Keep it up lads/ladies
23 January 2004, 05:30 PM
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- What about inviting certain people / taking nominations for people to hold large regional meets - but keep another area for the small unofficial meets - which still serve the community as a whole!
For example - I would have been more than happy to do the G-Force meet as an "Official" one (as I am representing ScoobyNet anyway), but when I do the Wycombe Scoobs meet once a month for Breakfast and a short run in the country - I would suggest that this remains "unoffical" and informal.
What about ScoobyNet organising some Trackdays - Officially?
- What about inviting certain people / taking nominations for people to hold large regional meets - but keep another area for the small unofficial meets - which still serve the community as a whole!
For example - I would have been more than happy to do the G-Force meet as an "Official" one (as I am representing ScoobyNet anyway), but when I do the Wycombe Scoobs meet once a month for Breakfast and a short run in the country - I would suggest that this remains "unoffical" and informal.
What about ScoobyNet organising some Trackdays - Officially?
23 January 2004, 06:07 PM
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Having just said I wouldn't repeat myself from yesterday I think I now will. Just for the purpose of stimulating further debate
Some interesting points/concerns are being raised but ultimately I see it that Scoobynet, as is, should still be available to non-subscribers although with a few revenue generators like ads, a limited, basic search, etc etc.
Not sure if this on-topic here but heres a few more possible ideas.....
For Sale should be available to non-subscribers although maybe it would "non-filterable" to them. When posting in For Sale, a few check boxes could have the item sent to the correct sub-forum (car, spares, non-subaru etc). This wouldn't be available to normal SN users - it would remain as it is today.
How about guides for sellers as well? If you're selling your Knocklink how's about the ability to quickly list all Knocklinks sold in For Sale recently with the asking price and price achieved? Yes, we might lose on the odd bargain or two but at the same time newbies can get to pitch their prices fairly (community?) and people can also gauge what price they need to set to, say, make a quick sale. It wouldn't be binding of course - just a guide.
Anyway.
I think a "new and improved" Scoobynet should alienate no one. The selling point to the subscription service is that it should offer a fully configurable, value added, yada yada, "experience". People will pay - but those that disagree won't lose out other than in the form of ads and restricted access to new features.
Apologies if this isn't entirely relevant to this thread.
PS. vBulletin is used by Pprune quite successfully and they have a pretty large membership.
[Edited by SimonH - 1/23/2004 6:14:52 PM]
A little off topic but what about the following?
How about a system whereby, as a subscription paying Plus member I could totally configure Scoobynet to my wants? So for example, I could turn off ads as I saw fit. I could configure the For Sale section to, say, only show Subaru things. Or I could block posts and threads of a particular type or a by a particular user. Probably hod loads of work and a bit tricky to set up but just think of the end result?
I could, as a Subaru "enthusiast", for my £20 pa (or whatever – that’s half a tank of petrol btw guys, before everyone goes off on one ) go onto Scoobynet safe in the knowledge that I wouldn't have to wade through dross posts by trolling baboons, endless For Sale posts offering washing machines and Novas as well as Google banner ads on every page. Perhaps there could be things like enhanced search functions and image hosting. £20 a year from a couple of thousand dedicated users would also fund improved software (sorry guys, but I use several BBSs and Scoobynet’s interface is the “clunkiest”).
As a non-paying member (a newbie say) I could come onto Scoobynet, for free, and see that there was a lot that the site had to offer. A huge base of technical knowledge and experience. An active second-hand market in Subaru specific parts as well as the opportunity to perhaps go on track days and meets to exchange info and learn more about the car I own. Admittedly there would be annoying ads etc but I’d be able to see that for £20 a year I could turn off all the twiddly or annoying bits and still benefit from all that the site had to offer and more. If I didn’t want to pay then most of the facilities would still be available to me (in fact it would basically be the Scoobynet of today only with a few more ads and the older software )
As I said, probably a lot of work and it would create a “2-speed” Scoobynet. At the same time it would, I believe, rekindle the “old” scoobynet that all the old lags go misty eyed about I think the vast majority of users would happily pay a subscription if they could see that it would change the way they could use scoobynet, for the better.
Pardon the crap analogies but Scoobynet has, I believe - over the 5 years that I’ve been following it – gone from being the car park at a Subaru Imprezas-only meet or track day to being an airfield hosting a Subaru meet, Jap performance meet, a Max Power burnout competition, a car boot sale and a playground for under-12s. I still come here because I want to get to the Subaru meet. I’m just getting more and more fed up with having to wade through all the other junk to get there.
Like I said, crap analogy, but hey
How about a system whereby, as a subscription paying Plus member I could totally configure Scoobynet to my wants? So for example, I could turn off ads as I saw fit. I could configure the For Sale section to, say, only show Subaru things. Or I could block posts and threads of a particular type or a by a particular user. Probably hod loads of work and a bit tricky to set up but just think of the end result?
I could, as a Subaru "enthusiast", for my £20 pa (or whatever – that’s half a tank of petrol btw guys, before everyone goes off on one ) go onto Scoobynet safe in the knowledge that I wouldn't have to wade through dross posts by trolling baboons, endless For Sale posts offering washing machines and Novas as well as Google banner ads on every page. Perhaps there could be things like enhanced search functions and image hosting. £20 a year from a couple of thousand dedicated users would also fund improved software (sorry guys, but I use several BBSs and Scoobynet’s interface is the “clunkiest”).
As a non-paying member (a newbie say) I could come onto Scoobynet, for free, and see that there was a lot that the site had to offer. A huge base of technical knowledge and experience. An active second-hand market in Subaru specific parts as well as the opportunity to perhaps go on track days and meets to exchange info and learn more about the car I own. Admittedly there would be annoying ads etc but I’d be able to see that for £20 a year I could turn off all the twiddly or annoying bits and still benefit from all that the site had to offer and more. If I didn’t want to pay then most of the facilities would still be available to me (in fact it would basically be the Scoobynet of today only with a few more ads and the older software )
As I said, probably a lot of work and it would create a “2-speed” Scoobynet. At the same time it would, I believe, rekindle the “old” scoobynet that all the old lags go misty eyed about I think the vast majority of users would happily pay a subscription if they could see that it would change the way they could use scoobynet, for the better.
Pardon the crap analogies but Scoobynet has, I believe - over the 5 years that I’ve been following it – gone from being the car park at a Subaru Imprezas-only meet or track day to being an airfield hosting a Subaru meet, Jap performance meet, a Max Power burnout competition, a car boot sale and a playground for under-12s. I still come here because I want to get to the Subaru meet. I’m just getting more and more fed up with having to wade through all the other junk to get there.
Like I said, crap analogy, but hey
Not sure if this on-topic here but heres a few more possible ideas.....
For Sale should be available to non-subscribers although maybe it would "non-filterable" to them. When posting in For Sale, a few check boxes could have the item sent to the correct sub-forum (car, spares, non-subaru etc). This wouldn't be available to normal SN users - it would remain as it is today.
How about guides for sellers as well? If you're selling your Knocklink how's about the ability to quickly list all Knocklinks sold in For Sale recently with the asking price and price achieved? Yes, we might lose on the odd bargain or two but at the same time newbies can get to pitch their prices fairly (community?) and people can also gauge what price they need to set to, say, make a quick sale. It wouldn't be binding of course - just a guide.
Anyway.
I think a "new and improved" Scoobynet
should alienate no one. The selling point to the subscription service is that it should offer a fully configurable, value added, yada yada, "experience". People will pay - but those that disagree won't lose out other than in the form of ads and restricted access to new features.Apologies if this isn't entirely relevant to this thread.
PS. vBulletin is used by Pprune quite successfully and they have a pretty large membership.
[Edited by SimonH - 1/23/2004 6:14:52 PM]
23 January 2004, 06:13 PM
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And there's more...... 
People talking about meets and events etc - how about a feature in Meetings whereby one could click to a page that basically had a calendar page (month to a page type thing). On each day there would be brief description of any event on that day that would click through to the relevant thread.
I played around with this ages ago...This is the sort of end result I'm on about (apologies to all web designers everywhere).
A couple of extra boxes on the "new thread" page for Meetings (Date and very brief description) might then be able to create such a page? Dunno.
Suddenly makes (IMHO) it much easier to pick up what events are on in the month and might mean that people didn't miss out on things local to them?
Maybe it's a bit too ambitious, but it's Friday night, I'm still hungover from last night so it's very possible that I could just be babbling....
People talking about meets and events etc - how about a feature in Meetings whereby one could click to a page that basically had a calendar page (month to a page type thing). On each day there would be brief description of any event on that day that would click through to the relevant thread.
I played around with this ages ago...This is the sort of end result I'm on about (apologies to all web designers everywhere
).A couple of extra boxes on the "new thread" page for Meetings (Date and very brief description) might then be able to create such a page? Dunno.
Suddenly makes (IMHO) it much easier to pick up what events are on in the month and might mean that people didn't miss out on things local to them?
Maybe it's a bit too ambitious, but it's Friday night, I'm still hungover from last night so it's very possible that I could just be babbling....
23 January 2004, 06:17 PM
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Thanks Simon, great stuff.
I personlly really like the calendar.. and vbulletin (which we now have set-up in a test environment) has this facility built in.
Cheers
Simon
I personlly really like the calendar.. and vbulletin (which we now have set-up in a test environment) has this facility built in.
Cheers
Simon
23 January 2004, 06:32 PM
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If you utilise the polls options can you set the number of choices quite high as it would save me having to run one off scoobynet for photo competition.
Si
If you utilise the polls options can you set the number of choices quite high as it would save me having to run one off scoobynet for photo competition.
Si
23 January 2004, 06:36 PM
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I've had to delete a post. Apologies to the person who's post was removed.. I know you didn't mean any harm, and that your post was respectful. It is just that it is off topic for the actual discussion based on the guidelines of this thread, and would have been likely to start a whole sub discussion.
Mr.Cookie
Agreed.
All the best
Simon
Mr.Cookie
Agreed.
All the best
Simon
23 January 2004, 06:48 PM
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Hi Simon,
Apologies to anyone if any of this is said in previous posts.
Some excellent points coming out of this discussion.
I think scoobynet needs to get back to basics whereby its the 'subaru enthusiast' who posts - someone who owns or has a real interest in them, and not just anyone of the street so to speak who just want flame war discussions.
Like the idea of membership - that would certainly remove alot of the deadwood members.
I'd like to see a technical section whereby its the 'definitive' answer to a problem rather than a multitude of answers where the right one gets lost in the mix. I know this would be difficult to do, but it would certainly assist alot of the same questions from new owners (I know I'm guilty of asking questions than spending some time in the search facility in the early days).
Its great to finally hear someone talking about simple constructive comments, and re-establishing the things I think has been missing on many occasions....'courtesy, respect and etiquette'.
We'll all have moments of disagreement - its human nature, but it is how we convey it that can make or break a discussion.
Good luck Simon - you have my support.
Kind regards,
Mark
Apologies to anyone if any of this is said in previous posts.
Some excellent points coming out of this discussion.
I think scoobynet needs to get back to basics whereby its the 'subaru enthusiast' who posts - someone who owns or has a real interest in them, and not just anyone of the street so to speak who just want flame war discussions.
Like the idea of membership - that would certainly remove alot of the deadwood members.
I'd like to see a technical section whereby its the 'definitive' answer to a problem rather than a multitude of answers where the right one gets lost in the mix. I know this would be difficult to do, but it would certainly assist alot of the same questions from new owners (I know I'm guilty of asking questions than spending some time in the search facility in the early days).
Its great to finally hear someone talking about simple constructive comments, and re-establishing the things I think has been missing on many occasions....'courtesy, respect and etiquette'.
We'll all have moments of disagreement - its human nature, but it is how we convey it that can make or break a discussion.
Good luck Simon - you have my support.
Kind regards,
Mark
23 January 2004, 06:58 PM
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Mark, I think that's exactly what the post rating system on Slashdot is for - people can rate posts depending on how useful they are, and it's possible to only search on those which are deemed by the community to be useful. I'm wholeheartedly in favour.
I have to disagree about SN only being for Suabru enthusiasts, though. Sure, that's how it started - but it's now attracted a community with lots of other interests too, and Non-Scooby-Related is a fantastic resource for those of us with other interests too. I spent my spare hours on NSR discussing photography, and only tend to ask a Subaru-related question when I'm facing a garage bill. Enthusiasm for Subarus isn't really a requirement, but the (elusive and poorly-defined) 'community spirit' is.
I'm still all for personal 'ignore' lists - let people filter out whatever they want.
I have to disagree about SN only being for Suabru enthusiasts, though. Sure, that's how it started - but it's now attracted a community with lots of other interests too, and Non-Scooby-Related is a fantastic resource for those of us with other interests too. I spent my spare hours on NSR discussing photography, and only tend to ask a Subaru-related question when I'm facing a garage bill. Enthusiasm for Subarus isn't really a requirement, but the (elusive and poorly-defined) 'community spirit' is.
I'm still all for personal 'ignore' lists - let people filter out whatever they want.
23 January 2004, 07:30 PM
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Hi Andy - thanks for the comments,
Understand about the rating system, but I personally find it frustrating trying as I said to find the definitive answer to a problem. There are guys on here who are invaluable with information and experience, and its these guys I rather tap into for technical advice. I know everyone has some experience they can add, but I'd prefer to see one post with this info - maybe split into categories for us 'old scooby' owners throught to the very latest, therefore making it much more applicable than a general thread.
I've only been a member for about 18 months or so, so I cant comment on the early days - but the majority are here I believe because its called 'scoobynet' - for Subaru's? Same reason I go to 'Honda-Tech' as I also own 2 Honda's. You have slightly misunderstood what I meant about the 'enthusiast' statement - everyone has other interests and its good to share them, but I still believe you should have a vested interest in Subaru's first and foremost. Everything else falls in behind it. If it was purely about Subarus then I'm not qualified enough for an anorak (yet).
Regards,
Mark
Understand about the rating system, but I personally find it frustrating trying as I said to find the definitive answer to a problem. There are guys on here who are invaluable with information and experience, and its these guys I rather tap into for technical advice. I know everyone has some experience they can add, but I'd prefer to see one post with this info - maybe split into categories for us 'old scooby' owners
throught to the very latest, therefore making it much more applicable than a general thread.I've only been a member for about 18 months or so, so I cant comment on the early days - but the majority are here I believe because its called 'scoobynet' - for Subaru's? Same reason I go to 'Honda-Tech' as I also own 2 Honda's. You have slightly misunderstood what I meant about the 'enthusiast' statement - everyone has other interests and its good to share them, but I still believe you should have a vested interest in Subaru's first and foremost. Everything else falls in behind it. If it was purely about Subarus then I'm not qualified enough for an anorak (yet).
Regards,
Mark
23 January 2004, 07:30 PM
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You continue to spam this thread, dispite my respectful requests.
I am asking you one final time to not continue to abuse this facility prior to taking further action.
Regards
Simon
You continue to spam this thread, dispite my respectful requests.
I am asking you one final time to not continue to abuse this facility prior to taking further action.
Regards
Simon
23 January 2004, 07:33 PM
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Marky-San and Andy
Thank you very much for both of your valuable contributions. Both have merits.. and I think there is common ground there anyway.
To avoid this thread going off on one subject discussion, would you both mind leaving it at that for now, and we can pick up on it later? Alternatively, please feel free to start another thread discussing this subject on it's own?
All the best and thank you for your support.
Simon
Thank you very much for both of your valuable contributions. Both have merits.. and I think there is common ground there anyway.
To avoid this thread going off on one subject discussion, would you both mind leaving it at that for now, and we can pick up on it later? Alternatively, please feel free to start another thread discussing this subject on it's own?
All the best and thank you for your support.
Simon
23 January 2004, 07:46 PM
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The increased functionality of SN Plus membership makes it worthwhile imo,the additions are all good ideas.Imo you don't push this service enough,i have seen the little titles below members names and have never had a reason to pursue it,but with the ideas you have suggested i would certainly pay a fee.
Its massively frustrating having a small minority ruining perfectly good threads,and they get locked,which is frustrating enough to leave tbh.So if your idea is to zap the offender instead of locking the threads,i am all for it,i have advocated this for a long time.Locking threads when you have put something into a debate is the most frustraing thing for me in here,and i have clashed with mods before.If i have read you right and you are advocating an end to this and the start of nobbers being zapped instead,you have my vote.
Its massively frustrating having a small minority ruining perfectly good threads,and they get locked,which is frustrating enough to leave tbh.So if your idea is to zap the offender instead of locking the threads,i am all for it,i have advocated this for a long time.Locking threads when you have put something into a debate is the most frustraing thing for me in here,and i have clashed with mods before.If i have read you right and you are advocating an end to this and the start of nobbers being zapped instead,you have my vote.
23 January 2004, 08:28 PM
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I am a Muppet Show regular. I am also an enthusiastic Subaru owner. I feel that the community spirit is richest on the Muppet Show, and I use this as my base from which to browse other forums. What is it about the Muppet Show that seems to put so many people's backs up? Deliberate horrible behaviour doesn't exist on The Muppet Show unless it's sent there from elsewhere. Leave us alone, please! Oh, and good work so far, Webmaster and the team.
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Good to see something being done about this.
Muppet Show is a great place to go for a laugh and a blow out.
Dont delete usernames. I signed up for the Ford Focus Owners Club - and I got my username deleted after not posting for a while. To be honest, i cant be bothered to signup again (im lazy) so thats their loss
Dont think that paying to sell is good. There has been an ongoing discussion about the posting of selling things in the Scotland forum and how it affects community spirit. I see that its reached a point where a post is needed in the for sale forum and then a link to that may be posted in the Scotland forum.
Say I had a spare set of headlight covers (i do, one is cracked tho). I would not want to spend £5 to be able to sell it, and then sell it for a 10er. Also - seeing as its best to give it away at a meet its good to be able to post in the Scotland forum as Scotland is a big place!
People talk at lots of locations, its the same with the forums. People strike up a conversation anywhere.
Best thing to do with the for sale is to split into other forums. I like the idea of cars/parts/others.
I like the way that the google stuff is now arranged. Does this not show that there is a comminity spirit? Yes there was noise about the way it was introduced/arguments on other aspects e.g. style of moderation. I feel that a deletion of post with an email to the user explaining the situation if required is much better than a replying post trying to 'educate' or explain in public. Most people rise to that bait. If you go through the Google thread and moderate it as above, you may find that it works?
Also good to keep in mind that complainers do have a good point, but then tend to go off on one. Borderline, but less visible policing is a good way to go.
The events calender is a great idea.
Extra payable forums is good - but dont expect them to be busy. Valuble info might be lost here - so let everyone read them is also needed.
Maybe even a forum where approval of all posts is an idea. I know that my footie team site forum goes this way and there is no bad feeling there. You get used to the delay.
I am in IT and i know that technology is always moving. The internet is getting more popular and with scoobynet being popular then this state was always going to be reached.
Good luck with it.
Muppet Show is a great place to go for a laugh and a blow out.
Dont delete usernames. I signed up for the Ford Focus Owners Club - and I got my username deleted after not posting for a while. To be honest, i cant be bothered to signup again (im lazy) so thats their loss
Dont think that paying to sell is good. There has been an ongoing discussion about the posting of selling things in the Scotland forum and how it affects community spirit. I see that its reached a point where a post is needed in the for sale forum and then a link to that may be posted in the Scotland forum.
Say I had a spare set of headlight covers (i do, one is cracked tho). I would not want to spend £5 to be able to sell it, and then sell it for a 10er. Also - seeing as its best to give it away at a meet its good to be able to post in the Scotland forum as Scotland is a big place!
People talk at lots of locations, its the same with the forums. People strike up a conversation anywhere.
Best thing to do with the for sale is to split into other forums. I like the idea of cars/parts/others.
I like the way that the google stuff is now arranged. Does this not show that there is a comminity spirit? Yes there was noise about the way it was introduced/arguments on other aspects e.g. style of moderation. I feel that a deletion of post with an email to the user explaining the situation if required is much better than a replying post trying to 'educate' or explain in public. Most people rise to that bait. If you go through the Google thread and moderate it as above, you may find that it works?
Also good to keep in mind that complainers do have a good point, but then tend to go off on one. Borderline, but less visible policing is a good way to go.
The events calender is a great idea.
Extra payable forums is good - but dont expect them to be busy. Valuble info might be lost here - so let everyone read them is also needed.
Maybe even a forum where approval of all posts is an idea. I know that my footie team site forum goes this way and there is no bad feeling there. You get used to the delay.
I am in IT and i know that technology is always moving. The internet is getting more popular and with scoobynet being popular then this state was always going to be reached.
Good luck with it.
23 January 2004, 10:54 PM
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prehaps the webmaster would care to check out this forum
http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/dc/dcboard.php
may give some ideas on how to divide certain areas
Mart
re the moderation proposals
please dont go pc part of the fun of the posts is the wide range of answers recieved either good or bad...
most of us take them in good spirit,,, unless they are of a libelous nature!!
http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/dc/dcboard.php
may give some ideas on how to divide certain areas
Mart
re the moderation proposals
please dont go pc part of the fun of the posts is the wide range of answers recieved either good or bad...
most of us take them in good spirit,,, unless they are of a libelous nature!!
23 January 2004, 10:55 PM
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im sorry, not trying to start a row about the muppet forum, BUT, when you mention anti-community spirit, you have to look at some of the users of that forum. alot of Americans/canadians etc who are only after a chat room, not interested in subarus much, and dont allow the real community to get involved with their private discussions. they shouldnt be here and for me personally I feel very reluctant to post there again. even some of the regular posters in scooby related subjects seem anti-newbie in the muppet forum. get rid of it, or the cliquey groups of users not interested in contributing to subaru impreza related topics.
*just my personal opinion and no offense meant to the majority of community spirited users of that forum*
Cliff
*just my personal opinion and no offense meant to the majority of community spirited users of that forum*
Cliff
23 January 2004, 11:15 PM
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I think self moderating, user and moderator rating and ignore forum/thread/user would help take much of the heated debate out of moderation. I stopped posting because of... erm can't mention that, but looking back, if the individual involved had the option to ignore the wind up merchants then most of it would have blown over without getting loads of angry members.
Possible scenario -
new members start with a arbitrary rating (say 100.) Each time they get RTMed or ignored they lose a point. If they hit zero they get blocked. Any member can only count a single event towards the decrease in score of another member, so no-one can take a personal crusade against another member (eg - I ignore the webbie and rtm every thread still counts as -1.) Each members score can only be checked by him/herself. Similar for mods, but no more deleting threads - Only posts so that anyone in disagreement can give the black mark. (Mods would probably need to start on about 1000000, but it would seem to me that this could create an effective relationship between the views of the community (community spirit)and the status of the poster/mod)
If someone does a good deed (http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...hreadid=294702)
they can receive an additional number of points by way of thanks from the good deedee. That way helping out in the community is rewarded.
People who post inane crap in muppets neither get rewarded for posting inane crap or penalised for posting... inane crap
The non stop winders will eventually be universally ignored or blocked, so everyone who values their membership will need to think carefully about what they post.
Members will be able to stop (in the thread they started) off topic conversation/ deragatory remarks etc etc, so such remarks will become pointless.
The reigns of moderation will be taken largely into the hands of the community, so a real communinty democracy will be established, and the moderators can focus on deleting the **** links.
Footnote - If you don't understand what I am aiming at. you haven't had enough to drink.
Footfootnote - Maybe a scoobynet brethaliser would be a good idea as well
Possible scenario -
new members start with a arbitrary rating (say 100.) Each time they get RTMed or ignored they lose a point. If they hit zero they get blocked. Any member can only count a single event towards the decrease in score of another member, so no-one can take a personal crusade against another member (eg - I ignore the webbie and rtm every thread still counts as -1.) Each members score can only be checked by him/herself. Similar for mods, but no more deleting threads - Only posts so that anyone in disagreement can give the black mark. (Mods would probably need to start on about 1000000, but it would seem to me that this could create an effective relationship between the views of the community (community spirit)and the status of the poster/mod)
If someone does a good deed (http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...hreadid=294702)
they can receive an additional number of points by way of thanks from the good deedee. That way helping out in the community is rewarded.
People who post inane crap in muppets neither get rewarded for posting inane crap or penalised for posting... inane crap
The non stop winders will eventually be universally ignored or blocked, so everyone who values their membership will need to think carefully about what they post.
Members will be able to stop (in the thread they started) off topic conversation/ deragatory remarks etc etc, so such remarks will become pointless.
The reigns of moderation will be taken largely into the hands of the community, so a real communinty democracy will be established, and the moderators can focus on deleting the **** links.
Footnote - If you don't understand what I am aiming at. you haven't had enough to drink.
Footfootnote - Maybe a scoobynet brethaliser would be a good idea as well
23 January 2004, 11:20 PM
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Simon
You look like you are getting some good ideas on how the "Members" would like to see Scoobynet develop which is great
I like the idea of the Calendar format within meets [Its something the SIDC are actually looking at]
The Official Scoobynet Meets idea would surley open Scoobynet up to more costs for PL cover and would need to be "controlled" by a Scoobynet Official not just a Scoobynet Member.
With Insurance costs spiralling this may be something that may prove to be impossible
We do however know Scoobynet is used to organise 98% of all Scoobymeets throughout the UK [Yes All the SIDC ones as well] so keep up all the good work
In respect of the FAQ idea. As you are aware the SIDC pre Bugeye FAQ is legendary unfortuantly Post that, it is sadly NOT.
I would glady work with people to help prepare the update which would be available to the whole comunity
You look like you are getting some good ideas on how the "Members" would like to see Scoobynet develop which is great
I like the idea of the Calendar format within meets [Its something the SIDC are actually looking at
]The Official Scoobynet Meets idea would surley open Scoobynet up to more costs for PL cover and would need to be "controlled" by a Scoobynet Official not just a Scoobynet Member.
With Insurance costs spiralling this may be something that may prove to be impossible
We do however know Scoobynet is used to organise 98% of all Scoobymeets throughout the UK [Yes All the SIDC ones as well
] so keep up all the good workIn respect of the FAQ idea. As you are aware the SIDC pre Bugeye FAQ is legendary unfortuantly Post that, it is sadly NOT.
I would glady work with people to help prepare the update which would be available to the whole comunity
23 January 2004, 11:40 PM
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Hi Mods,
As well as enjoying driving a scooby and spending time reading the posts on this forum, I run a small band's web site with the usual guestbook. I've found that locking threads encourages muppets to hijack decent conversations with the sole aim of having the thread locked. Maybe because it's a band of teenagers with a corresponding readership that this happens so frequently, but the best way I have found of dealing with it is to delete the offending posts and let the 'normal' posts continue in the thread.
This works for me as the posting level is far below that of Scoobynet, but it would be a lot of work for the mods on this site.
As well as enjoying driving a scooby and spending time reading the posts on this forum, I run a small band's web site with the usual guestbook. I've found that locking threads encourages muppets to hijack decent conversations with the sole aim of having the thread locked. Maybe because it's a band of teenagers with a corresponding readership that this happens so frequently, but the best way I have found of dealing with it is to delete the offending posts and let the 'normal' posts continue in the thread.
This works for me as the posting level is far below that of Scoobynet, but it would be a lot of work for the mods on this site.
24 January 2004, 01:01 AM
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homer: Simon has stated that the muppet forum (where most whoring occurs) uses very very little bandwidth - and is certainly not a problem on that front.
Andy
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