cossie@ste

Funny enough nigsy most of us like perfomance cars for PERFORMANCE the R64`s a weapon it has a metro shell but thats where the simulalites start and end

Same with the cosworth no one comes upto me and says "nice sierra mate" its always "nice cossie" or cosworth

nigsy

Being a car enthusiast isn't just about performance/power (despite what cossie owners may think), it's about the whole package. If I won the lottery a 6r4, integrale etc wouldnt even enter my head once.....would you would rather have a metro shell over Italian exotica like a Gallardo ? I think not

SirFozzalot

They may be old, but I still have a soft spot for cossies.....especially the Sapphire.

Cosworth427

"Why the hell would I want a Ferrari when I could have a gutless 2 litre Sierra Cossie?" - Enzo Ferrari

hoyleyboyley

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its one of those things that you either 'get' or not, sadly, for nigsy, he doesn't.

cossie@ste

Yes 700+bhp is really gutless isnt it

Begining to think this is a wind up post as surly no one can be that stupid to call it gutless regardless if you like it or not!!! or can they????LoL

jonmorris

Do you perhaps this might be because it was built in the 80's?!!

I never liked the Sierra hatchback shape personally but can appreciate the car for what it is/was. I did like the Sapphire though and the shape still looks fairly modern now, in my opinion.

nigsy

Hey I didn't write the gutless comment, the cossie maybe many things, but not gutless!!
There is no way on earth I would have a rally/touring car special over a Lambo Gallardo/Murcielago, it's my personal taste, one looks fantastic and the other looks functional (and ugly). But then again, I do like nice clothes and wouldn't be caught dead wearing "motoring" attire !

Dracoro

I'm sure many of us would like to drive a Cossie or 6R4 but no way on earth would I want to own one. In fact there are a lot of cars that I'd love to drive but would never want to own. To me the best cars are the ones that make you want both (drive AND own). e.g. the Gallardo as pointed out above.

Cosworth427

No, but the "whopping" 25 HP at 2000 RPM is. Every tuned 2.0 litre Cosworth is lifeless at streetable revs, it only thanks to the 80's trend of mass-produced parts sharing plastic tin box design philosophy that allows the lack of low rev power to make it up a hill without having to use 1st gear.

grovesy

Nigsy your a propa glip......

The "cossie" was and still is a quality car. I would have a 500 tomorrow if I had the readies.

And what sort of daft question is that "who would have a 6r4 erm.... ME

PS

Spender had a Magenta cossie but it got nicked (not like a cossie to get nicked in newcatsle) so they replaced it with the ebony one.

nigsy

What on earth is a glip? Is it a working class phrase?
Grovesy, you must have no style whatsoever, do you like to be openly laughed at in the street? I would NEVER EVER own a SIERRA cossie or METRO 6R4, too much of a stigma.

cossie@ste

Cosworth427- my car can set off in 3rd gear proberly 4th as well but never tried thats how little low down power it has and am not running monster BHP and as for hills LoL effort less never need to drop down a cog the torque is amazing when tunned:-)

Cosworth427

You only have *enough* torque at sensible RPMs to get a "highly tuned" or standard Escort/Sierra basic shell on wheels moving without causing a traffic hazard, but no way as quickly as a heavier 1500+ KG M3 or any street Ferrari.

Those YB engines are nothing special, they are as limited in usable power as any other 2.0 litre engine.

cossie@ste

Yes ok mate you win, the next time am driving along at 2,000RPM and decide to put my foot down in 2nd or 3rd and get pinned to my seat i will remind myself how gutless it is

Cosworth427

1st, 2nd or 3rd or whatever gear, at 2000 RPM, a YB can't send anymore than 35 HP at the wheels. That's gutless for a 1300 KG car! You can describe driving a 2.0 litre Cossie to driving a simple insurance friendly Vauxhal Corsa, you need to shift down and use full throttle if you want it to move anywhere without being honked at for going too slow.

cossie@ste

2,500RPM is where my turbo kicks in the cosworths you seem to be on about are the 10 year old monster T4 set ups where they didnt boost on tell 4,000RPM, i can asure you a 330bhp car reacts pritty quickly to the right foot propelling it to 60mph in 4.2sec and even the big power cars arnt as laggy as they used to be one of the quickest doing 0-60mph in 2.8 sec and 0-100mph in 6sec.

[Edited by cossie@ste - 1/30/2004 3:48:36 PM]

Cosworth427

Not while in 4th gear going at 30 MPH. Whilst something as moderate like a BMW 325i will move away quite easily at that gear. I told you, Cosworth's need to be dropped down a gear or two for it to move. You need a load to spool the turbo (i.e in the right speed and RPM), but while without much boost, a YB is nothing more than a lifeless 2.0 litre engine.

cossie@ste

if you wanted to really take off at 30mph 3rd gear is what you would be in 2nd if you like seeing the rev needle climb very quickly you would have a tiny bit of turbo lag in 4th if crusing along at 30mph if the revs where under 3,000RPM if it was at the 3k power band you would be off like a shot

Cosworth427

but it ISN'T near 3000 RPM in 4th gear at 30 MPH now is it? What you have said in that quote has just backed up my point that Cossies are indeed gutless at sensible street driving revs.

Carlos The Jackel

I've seen some strange threads in my time but this one is something else!

What exactly are "sensible street driving revs"?

Lmao

cossie@ste

PMSL i agree it is very strange i dont really understand where he`s gutless coments are coming from as the engine makes loads of low down torque! lets agree to disagree

Cosworth427

It looks like things need to be dumbed down to get the point across...

Try driving at 30 MPH, while in 4th gear. You decide that traffic in front is pulling away and there is mounting traffic behind you , so you slam open the throttle to even the gap back and front. I am certain the car will struggle and take longer to reach 40 MPH than it would in an ordinary 2.0 litre Mondeo. Try driving an M3 in 4th and it will shift even faster from 30 MPH. Try driving a 5.7 litre chevy powered Corvette, and it will go even faster than that. And guess what? You don't need to shift down to 1st or 2nd just to get going without being considered an obstacle.

That "low end torque" you hype on about simply isnt there, because you need maximum or near-maximum boost for that torque and power.

Dynographs for a typical 2.0 litre turbocharged engine (this is not just with the Cosworth YB), power is very poor at sensible revs. CARLOS THE JACKAL, I am talking about normal revs you would use when driving normally, for steady overtaking or for steady acceleration (if you on the other hand drive at 5000 RPM on a regular basis, then its obvious you don't get it).

cossie@ste

Mate if i wanted to go fast why would i put my foot down in 4th at 30mph???? i would drop down to 3rd which would put me on the 3k power band where the turbo is coming into play nicely, every car is differnt and i like the fact i can cruise around off boost and then effortlessly go really fast if i want to, can we pleae leave it here now as am sure we have bored everyone to tiers LoL

Carlos The Jackel

Cosworth427 your argument is one of the strangest i've ever seen.

So you have to change gear to get more acceleration sometimes?!

You will find you need to do with most cars!








[Edited by Carlos The Jackel - 1/31/2004 5:00:21 PM]

Cosworth427

That just proves my point that you always need to drop a few gears to move the car, otherwise it is just gutless. This is not a problem with cars that actually have usable low end torque.

Need I say more??

cossie@ste

What ever mate it pulls to 60mph in 4.2sec from a standing start so it really struggles for low down power

[Edited by cossie@ste - 1/31/2004 9:09:59 PM]

dazc2

At the end of the day what ever car I am in, I will ALWAYS drop down a gear or 2 to accelerate quickly. Doesn't matter what car it is because I instinctively go for the gear that will allow the car to accelerate the fastest.

Cosworth427

For best acceleration yes, but for steady acceleration without ragging the nuts off a car, I can use 4th gear in my Supra and it will move at a good pace to the speed I want within reasonable time.

A 3 litre BMW M3 can go even quicker without much effort, and guess what?? All that instant low end torque is there so I don't have to drop a gear and build boost to move!

Well good for you, thrashing the life out of a gutless high strung turboed 2 litre YB is useful for 1/4 mile records, but not very useful for the public road where traffic, fuel economy, road manners and speed limits apply.


This is why you should READ the thread before you shoot your mouth (sweaty keyboard) off. I suppose you need 2nd gear for every situation that requires acceleration on the public road. Do you use full throttle in 2nd gear just to get from 20 to 40 MPH on a busy road during daily driving??

cossie@ste

Do you realize how silly you sound calling a YB engine gutless???LoL