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28 January 2004, 08:35 PM
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Simon, am I right in thinking that the Plus Member and Supermuppet subscriptions are separate? E.g. If I become a Plus Member I can't have a Supermuppet tag to go with it? So the whole kaboodle is £35. Or is there any discount?
28 January 2004, 08:37 PM
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One would presume that the 'old boys' like me will get a special rate? 
I am not sure about the 'Reputation' marking
can I please request that MINUS numbers are removed? 
Is there an OAP rate, for us poor souls who struggle to put the bread on the table?
Good luck on SN3!
Pete
[Edited by pslewis - 1/28/2004 8:37:58 PM]
I am not sure about the 'Reputation' marking
can I please request that MINUS numbers are removed? Is there an OAP rate, for us poor souls who struggle to put the bread on the table?
Good luck on SN3!
Pete
[Edited by pslewis - 1/28/2004 8:37:58 PM]
28 January 2004, 08:53 PM
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Hi Guys
Thanks again for all the feedback. This place is starting to feel like home again
Bubba
The SuperMuppet tag is seperate to the plus membership. Maybe it would only be fair to let Plus members have the tag FOC?
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The rating system in place as standard on vbulletin is quite cleverly thought out..
I remember us all discussing this a while ago, and realised that a number of members would actually attempt to get a really bad rating (-100000 or whatever) as some kind of status. But this system has got round that in this way.
You can't actually see people's rating as a number, merely as a text rating. Anything that's minus, simply say's "can only hope to improve", and everything above 0 is gradually increasing in stature at various points, and there is a very long list of possible status types. This means that there is no "score", except for good things. As your rating increases, eventually it goes over in to a new status type "on a distinguisged road", etc. But there would be very few people who would WANT to have "can only hope to improve" against their username. And once they HAVE, there is nothing left to do, as there are no further rankings. Not sure if I've explained that properly, but I thought that was very well thought out.
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Rating threads... agreed, we will look in to implimenting that as a priority.
All the best
Simon
Thanks again for all the feedback. This place is starting to feel like home again
Bubba
The SuperMuppet tag is seperate to the plus membership. Maybe it would only be fair to let Plus members have the tag FOC?
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The rating system in place as standard on vbulletin is quite cleverly thought out..
I remember us all discussing this a while ago, and realised that a number of members would actually attempt to get a really bad rating (-100000 or whatever) as some kind of status. But this system has got round that in this way.
You can't actually see people's rating as a number, merely as a text rating. Anything that's minus, simply say's "can only hope to improve", and everything above 0 is gradually increasing in stature at various points, and there is a very long list of possible status types. This means that there is no "score", except for good things. As your rating increases, eventually it goes over in to a new status type "on a distinguisged road", etc. But there would be very few people who would WANT to have "can only hope to improve" against their username. And once they HAVE, there is nothing left to do, as there are no further rankings. Not sure if I've explained that properly, but I thought that was very well thought out.
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Rating threads... agreed, we will look in to implimenting that as a priority.
All the best
Simon
28 January 2004, 09:01 PM
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havent read all the posts, but!
def car only for sale forum!
thread starter can moderate the thread to remove unwanted remarks!
subscription based for sale from non member could mean we loose some random bargains? although for big stuff def a good idea.
i became a plus member & am yet to but anything from the scooby shop, i joined so i could give something back to the forum, it must be expensive & ive bought some cheap stuff of here & sold some stuff i wouldnt of sold else where. power to you scoobynet. better than any car mag you caould go & buy for 4 quid a month
def car only for sale forum!
thread starter can moderate the thread to remove unwanted remarks!
subscription based for sale from non member could mean we loose some random bargains? although for big stuff def a good idea.
i became a plus member & am yet to but anything from the scooby shop, i joined so i could give something back to the forum, it must be expensive & ive bought some cheap stuff of here & sold some stuff i wouldnt of sold else where. power to you scoobynet. better than any car mag you caould go & buy for 4 quid a month
28 January 2004, 10:21 PM
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A member can increase another member's reputation by 1 point by clicking (will look in to "reasons"), and cannot affect that user's rating until they have rated another 40 members. This means it would be an absolute nightmare to abuse the system,
You need to ensure that the rating system gets the user something, otherwise it's in danger of becoming like the McDonald's 5 star thing (when you get all 5 stars, apparently you don't get paid any extra or anything).
Would it be possible to have a Scoobynet +0.5 membership? I no longer have a Subaru, and I suspect many others don't either, so the discounts in Scoobyshop are of little relevance to me.
PS: I'll get in a copyright for the tagline right now. "Scoobynet 3 -- this time it's f**king good"
PPS: Of course if you produce any stickers with my tagline in, I'll sue you. And I won't actually sell the stickers myself. Actually, I will. But only in the USA.
[Edited by carl - 1/28/2004 10:23:05 PM]
28 January 2004, 10:25 PM
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ROFL @ carl - I'd forgotten about the slogan when we launched scoobynet 2
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I keep noticing people saying "i don't have a scoob, so the discounts aren't of interest". You should take a look in scoobyshop there are shed loads of products which are universal / nothing to do with cars at all.
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Member rating. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Maybe you can only vote one member once?? If it gets abused it will be removed, etc, etc.
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Thanks again chaps
Simon
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I keep noticing people saying "i don't have a scoob, so the discounts aren't of interest". You should take a look in scoobyshop there are shed loads of products which are universal / nothing to do with cars at all.
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Member rating. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Maybe you can only vote one member once?? If it gets abused it will be removed, etc, etc.
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Thanks again chaps
Simon
28 January 2004, 10:37 PM
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http://web.archive.org/web/200102020...oobynet.co.uk/
IIRC there was a Scoobynet "rising sun" logo with the same tagline...
IIRC there was a Scoobynet "rising sun" logo with the same tagline...
28 January 2004, 10:49 PM
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please can you clarify what is non community spirit??
from what i have seen, all other boards i have and still use have moaners and whingers its part of the community ..
the only person who i can recall was a moaner was M*****T and he was removed from the board..
can you also clarify what the increased moderation is going to be??
biased toward more pc or more freedom of speech?
mart
please can you clarify what is non community spirit??
from what i have seen, all other boards i have and still use have moaners and whingers its part of the community ..
the only person who i can recall was a moaner was M*****T and he was removed from the board..
can you also clarify what the increased moderation is going to be??
biased toward more pc or more freedom of speech?
mart
28 January 2004, 10:51 PM
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Guys
I've just had a look at the ScoobyNet Plus member sign-ups..
Thank you SO much to everyone who has signed up this afternoon (and of course everyone who has signed up before that!!)
All the very best
Simon
I've just had a look at the ScoobyNet Plus member sign-ups..
Thank you SO much to everyone who has signed up this afternoon (and of course everyone who has signed up before that!!
)All the very best
Simon
28 January 2004, 11:02 PM
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Hi mart
as stated, we are still to define "anti-community spirit" and I suspect it is something that will evolve over time.
But, my personal take on it is this..
anyone who attempts to disrupt, offend, or otherwise spoil discussions. That's the kind of thing I think we should be avoiding.
People who attempt to bring argument, agression, or insulting sarcasm in to threads.
Banter is absolutely fine, and is in-fact almost mandatory!
The increased moderation will be to not let that kind of thing go as willingly. We will just place more importance on making sure the decent and community spirited members who support each other get what they want, rather than pandering to those who just want their own ideal world, and "sod everybody else".
The "moaners and whingers" are not necessarily anti-community spirit, but of course, if they are the only ones moaning about a specific issue, it is likely that the community have a different opinion of it, so they will have less time dedicated to them.
Hope that kind of gets there as an explanation of what I'm currently thinking, but I accept it is not the full picture. I suggest we discuss it fully as a first order of business once the new forums are up and running.
All the best
Simon
as stated, we are still to define "anti-community spirit" and I suspect it is something that will evolve over time.
But, my personal take on it is this..
anyone who attempts to disrupt, offend, or otherwise spoil discussions. That's the kind of thing I think we should be avoiding.
People who attempt to bring argument, agression, or insulting sarcasm in to threads.
Banter is absolutely fine, and is in-fact almost mandatory!
The increased moderation will be to not let that kind of thing go as willingly. We will just place more importance on making sure the decent and community spirited members who support each other get what they want, rather than pandering to those who just want their own ideal world, and "sod everybody else".
The "moaners and whingers" are not necessarily anti-community spirit, but of course, if they are the only ones moaning about a specific issue, it is likely that the community have a different opinion of it, so they will have less time dedicated to them.
Hope that kind of gets there as an explanation of what I'm currently thinking, but I accept it is not the full picture. I suggest we discuss it fully as a first order of business once the new forums are up and running.
All the best
Simon
28 January 2004, 11:11 PM
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How about an amnesty for the dearly departed/banned ?
Personally I find it hysterical when someone starts throwing their toys around over some pedantic semantics - occasionally one learns new levels of warped thinking that deserve public humiliation.
Baz
(Just in case there's any petrol needed on those flames )
Personally I find it hysterical when someone starts throwing their toys around over some pedantic semantics - occasionally one learns new levels of warped thinking that deserve public humiliation.
Baz
(Just in case there's any petrol needed on those flames
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28 January 2004, 11:17 PM
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Curious - that's all. I was thinking of the questions I asked on p2, and was wondering if the solutions were already present or if they would require development. i.e. whether or not this was an area that needed discussion.
28 January 2004, 11:21 PM
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aha! I see what you're getting at, sorry I'd forgotten about that comment.
Agreed it needs serious thought. One thing that IS good though, is that there is a deterant that.. if the service is abused, it will be removed.. and as people have actually paid for it, they will be less willing to have that happen?
Cheers
Simon
Agreed it needs serious thought. One thing that IS good though, is that there is a deterant that.. if the service is abused, it will be removed.. and as people have actually paid for it, they will be less willing to have that happen?
Cheers
Simon
28 January 2004, 11:25 PM
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This rating thing is a bit of a tricky one...
I've been wondering exactly what the point is.
In the 'doing' forums, such as Drivetrain, ICE, GenTech, DIY, etc. it's a pretty easy sheme - "this guy knows his stuff, this one doesn't" sort of thing. But in the 'being' ones, such as General, the Muppets, etc. it wouldn't seem to add anything obvious?
Also, as an example, I might be 'of use' in the Drivetrain, sort of handy in the ICE section but pretty useless at being a muppet so how would that work?
Just trying to make life difficult... I should get 5 stars for that
I've been wondering exactly what the point is.
In the 'doing' forums, such as Drivetrain, ICE, GenTech, DIY, etc. it's a pretty easy sheme - "this guy knows his stuff, this one doesn't" sort of thing. But in the 'being' ones, such as General, the Muppets, etc. it wouldn't seem to add anything obvious?
Also, as an example, I might be 'of use' in the Drivetrain, sort of handy in the ICE section but pretty useless at being a muppet
so how would that work?Just trying to make life difficult... I should get 5 stars for that
28 January 2004, 11:30 PM
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valid point.
Perhaps the member rating is a no go? Maybe we need a vote
For sure, we should impliment the excellent suggestion of thread rating, though, agreed?
All the best
Simon
Spooks, please see one of my posts on this thread explaining that this kind of post would be removed.
valid point.
Perhaps the member rating is a no go? Maybe we need a vote
For sure, we should impliment the excellent suggestion of thread rating, though, agreed?
All the best
Simon
Spooks, please see one of my posts on this thread explaining that this kind of post would be removed.
28 January 2004, 11:30 PM
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True - there is a deterrent in possibly losing a feature you've already paid for. However, before that feature could be withdrawn its abuse would have to be detected. Unless every posting of an attachment is going to be checked out by Mods, then the feature could still be abused. Unless there's a programmatic control on uploadable files.
A simple filename parsing would serve as the first-pass of checking. A bit-wise analysis of the file itself would be necessary to identify the file type. It's always possible that someone could hex-edit a file prior to uploading, but very few people would have the time, knowledge or will to bother!
I wonder what other file-identity mechanisms/techniques exist in the spectrum of filename (trivial) to bit-wise analysis (complex)...?
Simply - I wouldn't rely upon that deterrent alone.
A simple filename parsing would serve as the first-pass of checking. A bit-wise analysis of the file itself would be necessary to identify the file type. It's always possible that someone could hex-edit a file prior to uploading, but very few people would have the time, knowledge or will to bother!
I wonder what other file-identity mechanisms/techniques exist in the spectrum of filename (trivial) to bit-wise analysis (complex)...?
Simply - I wouldn't rely upon that deterrent alone.
28 January 2004, 11:35 PM
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I like the idea of thread rating - provided that there's a graphical representation in the main forum page, and not merely in the thread.
Regarding user rating, could there be a 2-tier rating? For example - a rating of competency and a general 'community' rating? Perhaps that would make things too messy?
Regarding user rating, could there be a 2-tier rating? For example - a rating of competency and a general 'community' rating? Perhaps that would make things too messy?
28 January 2004, 11:56 PM
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Agreed. The software allows for a visual rating on the thread list
I'll look in to categorised ratings for users.. but fear it will be both complex, and potentially open to the same pitfalls of the blanket rating.
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Hi XT
Understood. Something to consider though. If the only reason is that you don't see the point, you should probably just ignore them.. that way, everyone who does see the point, and wants to make use of them will not have a reduced service for those who don't care either way.
All the best
Simon
Agreed. The software allows for a visual rating on the thread list
I'll look in to categorised ratings for users.. but fear it will be both complex, and potentially open to the same pitfalls of the blanket rating.
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Hi XT
Understood. Something to consider though. If the only reason is that you don't see the point, you should probably just ignore them.. that way, everyone who does see the point, and wants to make use of them will not have a reduced service for those who don't care either way.
All the best
Simon