How long before this Country blows its top?
10 February 2004, 03:57 PM
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LOL at all you lot saying you want to move abroad.
Does that not make you the same/similar as those you are slagging for wanting to move here for a better life?
There's probably a Spanish/Aussie/Canadian/etc site with them moaning about all the Brits coming over and taking all the jobs and making housing unnaffordable.
Does that not make you the same/similar as those you are slagging for wanting to move here for a better life?
There's probably a Spanish/Aussie/Canadian/etc site with them moaning about all the Brits coming over and taking all the jobs and making housing unnaffordable.
10 February 2004, 03:58 PM
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I don't think I'll live out this year without topping myself, seriously.
If I can't get enough money to get up, go, leave the UK, buy a house and an E46, then Ill say Hi to Hendrix for you all.
Carp country, carp pointless life, I don't want to be Mr average Mondeo man working 9 to 5 forever!
(Well I don't work, just sort of exist, but thats the whole point!)
If I can't get enough money to get up, go, leave the UK, buy a house and an E46, then Ill say Hi to Hendrix for you all.
Carp country, carp pointless life, I don't want to be Mr average Mondeo man working 9 to 5 forever!
(Well I don't work, just sort of exist, but thats the whole point!)
10 February 2004, 04:04 PM
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No issues with people coming here, settling down, getting a job, buying a house, passing a UK driving test, purchasing a car (which they tax, insure and MOT), paying taxes and contributing to society. Welcome to the UK.
I do however, have issues with everyone who sneaks into this country illegally and sponges, expecting the world and causing grief and havoc. Case in point - immigrants are housed in Birmingham as they didn't want to live in a holding centre and besides, the colour of the paint was offputting, which was clearly inhumane
so they were given a 3 bed semi in Brum. Not content with that, they moaned that their 28" widescreen TV was too small - so were given a 32". This from people that 3 weeks prior hadn't even had running water in their "house". 
Beggars belief.
France have today taken a stand on religious items being worn in school. Haven't heard if it's gone through but if we even THOUGHT about putting up a stance against ANY religious clothing / material / ornaments* we'd be shouted down as racist.
*Excepting of course CofE / Catholicisim, where it's ok to ban those as it's only our religion, so therefore not as important as everyone else's.
I do however, have issues with everyone who sneaks into this country illegally and sponges, expecting the world and causing grief and havoc. Case in point - immigrants are housed in Birmingham as they didn't want to live in a holding centre and besides, the colour of the paint was offputting, which was clearly inhumane
so they were given a 3 bed semi in Brum. Not content with that, they moaned that their 28" widescreen TV was too small - so were given a 32". This from people that 3 weeks prior hadn't even had running water in their "house". Beggars belief.
France have today taken a stand on religious items being worn in school. Haven't heard if it's gone through but if we even THOUGHT about putting up a stance against ANY religious clothing / material / ornaments* we'd be shouted down as racist.
*Excepting of course CofE / Catholicisim, where it's ok to ban those as it's only our religion, so therefore not as important as everyone else's.
10 February 2004, 04:05 PM
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I think a nice big intravenous shot of Heroin will be just fine. Ive already planned it, steal a E46, drive to a remote place, and let the maggots eat me, hopefully they'll never find my bones!
Thats considdering I dont slide off the road and bin the M3, last drive, drive like a loon!
Thats the last resort. Naturally.
Thats considdering I dont slide off the road and bin the M3, last drive, drive like a loon!
Thats the last resort. Naturally.
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10 February 2004, 04:05 PM
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I left the UK because I needed a job and I was offered one by HP in Germany so I took it.
Before that I worked for HP for 4 years then left to work for a channel partner as a HPUX administartor and Openview Engineer which lasted a year.
I was then unemployed for 7 months inspite of interview after interview.
I felt a bit pi55ed off that I had to leave the UK in order to get a job, I have no idea why I could not get a job in the UK. AMybe it is somnething to do with all the university graduates on the market with an education but no common sense or life experience, that the employers can take their pick and pay them peanuts.
so at least I have an excuse why I am living abroad.
Before that I worked for HP for 4 years then left to work for a channel partner as a HPUX administartor and Openview Engineer which lasted a year.
I was then unemployed for 7 months inspite of interview after interview.
I felt a bit pi55ed off that I had to leave the UK in order to get a job, I have no idea why I could not get a job in the UK. AMybe it is somnething to do with all the university graduates on the market with an education but no common sense or life experience, that the employers can take their pick and pay them peanuts.
so at least I have an excuse why I am living abroad.
10 February 2004, 04:05 PM
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Why is it that all these other Commonwealth countries are hard to gain entry and yet in the UK any down and out bull**** merchant can come in and set up home for free. 
Ah, I know why... It's because they have sensible governments, with sensible immigration policies, and ministers that are not *blind* or self obsessed, and who actually care about the quality of life of their citizens, rather than treating them with complete contempt. And they are not bullied into silence by the Politically Correct zealots and human rights lawyers who prevent any legislation being passed to deal with the issues of crime and immigration.
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Ah, I know why... It's because they have sensible governments, with sensible immigration policies, and ministers that are not *blind* or self obsessed, and who actually care about the quality of life of their citizens, rather than treating them with complete contempt. And they are not bullied into silence by the Politically Correct zealots and human rights lawyers who prevent any legislation being passed to deal with the issues of crime and immigration.UB
10 February 2004, 04:07 PM
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I was going to respond to that, but then I thought 'no'. Gawd, I am becoming the type of person I HATE!
I was going to say I am not moving over there ILLEGALLY, and don't plan on skanking free houseing, healthcare etc from the state (if there is any, I wouldnt know)
FP: I would do everything by the book. Its the illegal ones that get my goat!
After I am gone let everyone shout 'Yeah, come on in, take what you want, don't work, I will pay it all for you. Hell come drive a car illegally I don't care'
i have, however, come across some very pleasant, hardworking and decent people who emmigrated legally. They pay their taxes, respect other people and treat them the way they want to be treated (which in most cases is returned, although you do get the one or two arrogant folk)
I was going to say I am not moving over there ILLEGALLY, and don't plan on skanking free houseing, healthcare etc from the state (if there is any, I wouldnt know)
FP: I would do everything by the book. Its the illegal ones that get my goat!
After I am gone let everyone shout 'Yeah, come on in, take what you want, don't work, I will pay it all for you. Hell come drive a car illegally I don't care
'i have, however, come across some very pleasant, hardworking and decent people who emmigrated legally. They pay their taxes, respect other people and treat them the way they want to be treated (which in most cases is returned, although you do get the one or two arrogant folk)
10 February 2004, 04:07 PM
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Buzzer,
As Petem95 pointed out, there is a points system. I happened to be born in Canada so I'm automatically a Canadian citizen. Out of interest I scored myself and barely got enough points.
Another much easier way is to get sponsored by someone already in Canada.
You can also get a work permit fairly easily. Once here, and working, you can apply for Landed Immigrant status.
As Petem95 pointed out, there is a points system. I happened to be born in Canada so I'm automatically a Canadian citizen. Out of interest I scored myself and barely got enough points.
Another much easier way is to get sponsored by someone already in Canada.
You can also get a work permit fairly easily. Once here, and working, you can apply for Landed Immigrant status.
10 February 2004, 04:13 PM
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10 February 2004, 04:51 PM
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Wurzel; yep its amazing, well lets see then quote by my dear old mother' a good % of the reasoning behind the governments successive poor stance on immigration is that our english parliament is full of ble*din Scots!'
10 February 2004, 05:38 PM
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divide and conquer.........our society is being broken down and undermined in every aspect, starting with our religons (for those who are wondering, im an agnostic)-the one common link that once united us and made us a strong nation.
We now can't afford to have children 'dinky' (double income no kids yet) we are slowly becoming extinct as a breed, the percentage of pedegree is reducing.
Immigrants come in, have kids, WE house and support them at our cost (does our government not get paid by the world bank for every one it takes under its wing or something? )so they get to pro-create while we cant afford to which componds the problem........do the math, it's only a matter of time before our indigenous population become a minority.........it creates a demand for houses pushing up prices that is beyond our means so some fly the nest reducing us even more.where does it stop?
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We now can't afford to have children 'dinky' (double income no kids yet) we are slowly becoming extinct as a breed, the percentage of pedegree is reducing.
Immigrants come in, have kids, WE house and support them at our cost (does our government not get paid by the world bank for every one it takes under its wing or something? )so they get to pro-create while we cant afford to which componds the problem........do the math, it's only a matter of time before our indigenous population become a minority.........it creates a demand for houses pushing up prices that is beyond our means so some fly the nest reducing us even more.where does it stop?
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10 February 2004, 05:51 PM
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Just what is our indigenous population?
You mean white?
Britain's white population is a mixed bag of other white races.
Your argument would mean that only ginger haired people are true Scotts and the rest immigrants.
We were (mostly) all immigrants at one time in our genetic history.
You mean white?
Britain's white population is a mixed bag of other white races.
Your argument would mean that only ginger haired people are true Scotts and the rest immigrants.
We were (mostly) all immigrants at one time in our genetic history.
10 February 2004, 06:13 PM
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With too many takers, and not enough tax payers, the country will soon be bancrupt. But of coarse that won't happen cos they'll just keep on putting up the taxes, and like a flock of gormless sheep, well just sit back and take it.
REVOLUTION.... JONNY ROTTEN FOR PRESIDENT
REVOLUTION.... JONNY ROTTEN FOR PRESIDENT
10 February 2004, 06:21 PM
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Great thread!
Gave it an entire read.
Transposed all GB rants to U.S. of A.!
Reads the same.
BUT.......
Canada is only moderatly better than the UK.
After you get there you will be looking South for something better?
The difference being, Climate, affordable housing, diversity of geography and many other considerations.
Myself being a "Half Breed" Native American, I have observed the discontent of the caucasion individuals with considerable interest and humor.
The "Liberals" want to give it all away and the "Conservatives" want to keep it all to themselves.
Somewhere in the middle, there is rational thinking, IMHO.
But even the "rational" approach will not make it presence known without a LOUD voice!
We have a saying, over here, "Stand Up and Be Counted!"
Even at the lowest levels of the political ladder, you must raise your voice and expound upon your convictions!
The U.S. of A. might be a "Super Power" but we are a long way from being a perfect society.
We have a major emmegration problem also, over 4,000 miles of borders, North and South combined, is the solution an electrified, deadly barrier to discourage illegal emmigrants?
It is "Politics" and the "Politicians" that have to be made aware of our concerns, in no uncertain terms.
In this country we have a "Peacefull Revolution" every two, four, or six years, depending upon the political level of the elected official.
In theory, we also have the right to "armed revolt" courtesy of our "Founding Fathers" concerns brought about by certain "taxes without representation."
Now, you ask yourself, "Where's this old git going with all this?"
Do you expect ME to give anyone a solution to their Political/National problems???
Hardly, I just posted a few observations.
Hopefully they were, at least, thought provoking.
Bill
Gave it an entire read.
Transposed all GB rants to U.S. of A.!
Reads the same.
BUT.......
Canada is only moderatly better than the UK.
After you get there you will be looking South for something better?
The difference being, Climate, affordable housing, diversity of geography and many other considerations.
Myself being a "Half Breed" Native American, I have observed the discontent of the caucasion individuals with considerable interest and humor.
The "Liberals" want to give it all away and the "Conservatives" want to keep it all to themselves.
Somewhere in the middle, there is rational thinking, IMHO.
But even the "rational" approach will not make it presence known without a LOUD voice!
We have a saying, over here, "Stand Up and Be Counted!"
Even at the lowest levels of the political ladder, you must raise your voice and expound upon your convictions!
The U.S. of A. might be a "Super Power" but we are a long way from being a perfect society.
We have a major emmegration problem also, over 4,000 miles of borders, North and South combined, is the solution an electrified, deadly barrier to discourage illegal emmigrants?
It is "Politics" and the "Politicians" that have to be made aware of our concerns, in no uncertain terms.
In this country we have a "Peacefull Revolution" every two, four, or six years, depending upon the political level of the elected official.
In theory, we also have the right to "armed revolt" courtesy of our "Founding Fathers" concerns brought about by certain "taxes without representation."
Now, you ask yourself, "Where's this old git going with all this?"
Do you expect ME to give anyone a solution to their Political/National problems???
Hardly, I just posted a few observations.
Hopefully they were, at least, thought provoking.
Bill
10 February 2004, 06:36 PM
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In 10 years time this country will be finished.
Sad thing is if you read your history this is how hitler came to power, the germans were fed up (to put it mildly) with mass taxes and immigrants. Look here in the uk, the BNP are getting stronger, dont laugh saying they will never get in cos the same was said of the **** party.
But wait untill the british or christian is the minority in what will no doubt be renamed The Islamic Republic of Britain, every church will be a mosque and the slums are full of brits. Will they give us £300 a week in benifits, bloody doubt it.
Blair and his cronies want to go down in history, we should help them, NATIONAL STRIKE just like the fuel crises gets em to listen, problem is the average brit moans like hell and does bugger all, just look at council tax, oh it wont go up - much - another 10% thats all.
To all the pc rights brigade - **** OFF now so we can rebuild what u have screwed up. If thats not pc i dont care.
Sad thing is if you read your history this is how hitler came to power, the germans were fed up (to put it mildly) with mass taxes and immigrants. Look here in the uk, the BNP are getting stronger, dont laugh saying they will never get in cos the same was said of the **** party.
But wait untill the british or christian is the minority in what will no doubt be renamed The Islamic Republic of Britain, every church will be a mosque and the slums are full of brits. Will they give us £300 a week in benifits, bloody doubt it.
Blair and his cronies want to go down in history, we should help them, NATIONAL STRIKE just like the fuel crises gets em to listen, problem is the average brit moans like hell and does bugger all, just look at council tax, oh it wont go up - much - another 10% thats all.
To all the pc rights brigade - **** OFF now so we can rebuild what u have screwed up. If thats not pc i dont care.
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Why is it then that a nieghbour of our's who missed her rent a few times, as money was scarce, is being kicked out of her house with 4 children, and has no where else to go but on the street.
Then you get immigrant's who get treated to a nice 3 bedroomed house, fully furnished as well, they get £1000's for them to get a new car so they can visit more immigrant's relative's, also bus pass's they even get a pass that they can use in taxi's, where is the british justice, this country IS GOING TO FALL there is no doubt about that.
RANT OVER!!!!!!!!!
Then you get immigrant's who get treated to a nice 3 bedroomed house, fully furnished as well, they get £1000's for them to get a new car so they can visit more immigrant's relative's, also bus pass's they even get a pass that they can use in taxi's, where is the british justice, this country IS GOING TO FALL there is no doubt about that.
RANT OVER!!!!!!!!!
10 February 2004, 07:16 PM
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wurzel well said on page one 100% true as a Brit we would never get the same rights if we went to a muslim country your missus would be in deep **** if she walked down the street in a mini skirt let alone build a pub or a chirch lmho
10 February 2004, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerome
I got fed up with the UK a while ago and have moved to Canada.
A major reason for me moving was the cost of housing.
A major reason for me moving was the cost of housing.
Look at price of houses in, for example, Reading in Berkshire - and compare and contrast with Reading in Pennsylvania. GBP220K in Berkshire will get you a pokey semi, in Pennsylvania you'll get a 3600sq ft pile on 2 acres.
http://www.century21.com/buy/propert...r_key=30196447
I know which I prefer and it's not the one near the charms of Whitley Wood.
11 February 2004, 12:10 AM
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Why is it that everyone is so quick to moan and whine about how others are coming here and ruining our country but give absolutely no thought about how we as a nation take the pi55 with everyone elses.
People are moving in masses to Spain/France etc to live in the sun and are therefore whacking up the the property prices for the locals. No one spares a thought for the locals having to pay shed loads more to buy a house that would have cost much less before the Brits moved in. And to add insult to injury a large number of Brits can't even be bothered to learn the native language cos hey, most places already speak English.
Ok so we help local economies too but how many holiday resorts or beaches etc have the Brits completely fcuked up or are continuing to make a mess of or abuse. Clearly it's not enough to just go to a destination and enjoy it as it is. We seem to have to take over and open up Brit bars/cafe's etc so that we can enjoy that "home-from-home" feeling. Either that or we open up nightclubs or stage constant beach parties so that we can go and get completely trashed and overrun entire towns etc. Sure we're not sponging but I can't imagine us being too happy if we had to put up with the kind of crap that we dish out to everyone else.
The sad thing is people applaud places like Australia for having such stringent immigration laws but it's such a crock of ****. The poor Abo's had no choice whether we invaded their country and are now 2nd class citizens (and a big untalked about problem to boot). Now the unwelcome guests, having staked a claim on the land, are dictating to others who they will let into er, their country. It's absolutely shameful IMO.
The reason we probably have such a wide range of people wanting 'in' to our country is because we Brits are so good at sticking our moral noses in other people's business. It only takes two countries to be having a bad time and in we jump - following a barrage of news from the press and public outcry that we must help as a nation. We're so good at being compassionate and showing our caring nature but when the poor buggers look to our country for assylum (because we've been so noble in helping out) we suddenly lose all compassion and want to kick to no-good spongers out because they're bringing us down.
Bloody typical
People are moving in masses to Spain/France etc to live in the sun and are therefore whacking up the the property prices for the locals. No one spares a thought for the locals having to pay shed loads more to buy a house that would have cost much less before the Brits moved in. And to add insult to injury a large number of Brits can't even be bothered to learn the native language cos hey, most places already speak English.
Ok so we help local economies too but how many holiday resorts or beaches etc have the Brits completely fcuked up or are continuing to make a mess of or abuse. Clearly it's not enough to just go to a destination and enjoy it as it is. We seem to have to take over and open up Brit bars/cafe's etc so that we can enjoy that "home-from-home" feeling. Either that or we open up nightclubs or stage constant beach parties so that we can go and get completely trashed and overrun entire towns etc. Sure we're not sponging but I can't imagine us being too happy if we had to put up with the kind of crap that we dish out to everyone else.
The sad thing is people applaud places like Australia for having such stringent immigration laws but it's such a crock of ****. The poor Abo's had no choice whether we invaded their country and are now 2nd class citizens (and a big untalked about problem to boot). Now the unwelcome guests, having staked a claim on the land, are dictating to others who they will let into er, their country. It's absolutely shameful IMO.
The reason we probably have such a wide range of people wanting 'in' to our country is because we Brits are so good at sticking our moral noses in other people's business. It only takes two countries to be having a bad time and in we jump - following a barrage of news from the press and public outcry that we must help as a nation. We're so good at being compassionate and showing our caring nature but when the poor buggers look to our country for assylum (because we've been so noble in helping out) we suddenly lose all compassion and want to kick to no-good spongers out because they're bringing us down.
Bloody typical
11 February 2004, 12:10 AM
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[/quoteFatherpierre, Just what is our indigenous population?
You mean white?]
By 'indigenous' I mean people who are natural to this country........if that happens to be white then the answer to your question is yes.
As Arabs are indigenous to Iran or Iraq, or Africans indigenous to Africa. All nations are entitled to preserve thier 'Roots'.
Ed
You mean white?]
By 'indigenous' I mean people who are natural to this country........if that happens to be white then the answer to your question is yes.
As Arabs are indigenous to Iran or Iraq, or Africans indigenous to Africa. All nations are entitled to preserve thier 'Roots'.
Ed
11 February 2004, 09:35 AM
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Ed, a small point but an important one to them. Iranians are not arabs...
But otherwise I think you make a pretty fair point.
BillBill, of course the problems are pretty similiar on both sides of the pond and I'm sure that Canada isn't the nirvana that some might think (from a distance). But while your peaceful revolution is great in theory, in practice it didn't seem to work too well last time around, did it?
Personally I believe we could address a lot of the problems we have here with one simple rule change. Voting becomes mandatory rather than something that most people don't bother with. That way MPs know that apathy won't keep them in office - if they don't make people happy then they'll vote for someone else... Plus the extremists who, by definition, gain advantage through low voter turnout as their supporters become a larger proportion of the voting population, will be kept in check.
Otherwise it's true. We'll either be a democratically formed Islamic republic or a fascist dictatorship within the next fifty years. And then we'll see what happens to our electoral rights.
Oh, and one other small point. Not mentioned yet, but it is essential that we retain the monarchy if we are going to remain a democracy. If nothing else (and that's an argument for elsewhere, I think) the Queen is protector of the faith and must ensure that we remain, at core, a christian country. How many non secular democratic monachies are there? None. I'm not saying that we shouldn't allow freedom of religious expression - far from it - simply that we should make sure we remain fundamentally unchanged so that we can ensure that freedom remains...
SB
But otherwise I think you make a pretty fair point.
BillBill, of course the problems are pretty similiar on both sides of the pond and I'm sure that Canada isn't the nirvana that some might think (from a distance). But while your peaceful revolution is great in theory, in practice it didn't seem to work too well last time around, did it?
Personally I believe we could address a lot of the problems we have here with one simple rule change. Voting becomes mandatory rather than something that most people don't bother with. That way MPs know that apathy won't keep them in office - if they don't make people happy then they'll vote for someone else... Plus the extremists who, by definition, gain advantage through low voter turnout as their supporters become a larger proportion of the voting population, will be kept in check.
Otherwise it's true. We'll either be a democratically formed Islamic republic or a fascist dictatorship within the next fifty years. And then we'll see what happens to our electoral rights.
Oh, and one other small point. Not mentioned yet, but it is essential that we retain the monarchy if we are going to remain a democracy. If nothing else (and that's an argument for elsewhere, I think) the Queen is protector of the faith and must ensure that we remain, at core, a christian country. How many non secular democratic monachies are there? None. I'm not saying that we shouldn't allow freedom of religious expression - far from it - simply that we should make sure we remain fundamentally unchanged so that we can ensure that freedom remains...
SB
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This countries population just cannot get through life without having someone to blame or moan about. Before Asylum Seekers it was New Age Travellers, before that it was the Indians, before that it was the blacks.
FFS, we are still and consitently have been one of the most wealthy nations on the planet, and probably will be for the very reason that we have a very diverse make up, with new ideas coming in all the time. Yes there is change in the demographic of the nation, there always has been.
As for the comments about the British People lying down like sheep , I see the comments were made by someone who clearly writes the leader column for the Daily Mail.....Baaaaa! Who's the sheep now?!
I also hope that all those who are moaning about immegration never go out to eat at the local Curry House, Chinese, Pizza shop...eating their food only encourages more of them to come here you know.
FFS, we are still and consitently have been one of the most wealthy nations on the planet, and probably will be for the very reason that we have a very diverse make up, with new ideas coming in all the time. Yes there is change in the demographic of the nation, there always has been.
As for the comments about the British People lying down like sheep , I see the comments were made by someone who clearly writes the leader column for the Daily Mail.....Baaaaa! Who's the sheep now?!
I also hope that all those who are moaning about immegration never go out to eat at the local Curry House, Chinese, Pizza shop...eating their food only encourages more of them to come here you know.