The French have the guts to do something that would never be allowed here
11 February 2004, 04:28 PM
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I am a catholic not by choice either, but if I was told I couldn't wear a cross at school because jewelry is not allowed (and it wasn't when I wa at school) I wouldn't get all arsey about it because quite frankly there is more important things to worry about and think about than religeon.
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BTW Christians will be allowed to still wear a cross. (just not one that is soo big you wouldn't be wearing it anyway!).
I am a catholic not by choice either, but if I was told I couldn't wear a cross at school because jewelry is not allowed (and it wasn't when I wa at school) I wouldn't get all arsey about it because quite frankly there is more important things to worry about and think about than religeon.
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BTW Christians will be allowed to still wear a cross. (just not one that is soo big you wouldn't be wearing it anyway!).
11 February 2004, 04:41 PM
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Wurzel,
Do you use contraceptives? I hope you do but then you wouldn't be a very good Catholic would you. Thought you may be sympathetic what with the Orange and allor have you forgotten your history?
It's not like they've killed anyone, yet...... That comes later at the post graduate training camps in North Africa.
Do you use contraceptives? I hope you do but then you wouldn't be a very good Catholic would you. Thought you may be sympathetic what with the Orange and allor have you forgotten your history?
It's not like they've killed anyone, yet...... That comes later at the post graduate training camps in North Africa.
11 February 2004, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dosenöffner
Wurzel,
Do you use contraceptives? I hope you do but then you wouldn't be a very good Catholic would you. Thought you may be sympathetic what with the Orange and allor have you forgotten your history?
It's not like they've killed anyone, yet...... That comes later at the post graduate training camps in North Africa.
Do you use contraceptives? I hope you do but then you wouldn't be a very good Catholic would you. Thought you may be sympathetic what with the Orange and allor have you forgotten your history?
It's not like they've killed anyone, yet...... That comes later at the post graduate training camps in North Africa.
I am not symapthetic to any religous faith or the nutters that maim and kill in it's name.
I thought my post was fairly straight forward but obviously I was wrong.
11 February 2004, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
World peace. Stop the bombs. Stop the killing.
Stop the jihads (or rather the excuses for nutters to go on killing spree's in the name of religion) and you'll stop the Bombs and youll stop the killing.
The PC problem in this country is Succesive Governments have this almighty Chip on their Shoulder over the way the Empire treated the Subjects, so now they feel we have to bend over backwards and compensate 2/3rds of the planet with Free health care, Social services and Free housing.
11 February 2004, 05:05 PM
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Holy Ghost, well said you re-emphasised my coments with facts- I understand people on this BBS have strong views (and I am glad they do) but why do so many find answering the topic we are discussing so difficult, we are in a public debate on a chosen subject, we are not politicians nor do we expect to change the laws of this & other countries, the idea of a constructive debate is to form a 'more informed opinion' based on the combined knowledge of others, not ram often irrelevant agendas down peoples throats. IMHO.
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11 February 2004, 05:22 PM
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The biggest evil threat to mankind is Bush.
thats all i have to say in this thread
This is unclebuck we're talking about here. No surprises.
And whilst you condemn Uncelbuck for not beating around the bush, I would advise caution and not naivety in this matter - many have got it in for us infidel scum you know, they are plotting RIGHT NOW; its also costing us BILLIONS and hampering our freedom…
UB
11 February 2004, 06:19 PM
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unclebuck is a ******* thats all i have to say in this thread and the rest is b-o-l-l-o-c-k-s
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11 February 2004, 06:48 PM
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Taken from Holy Ghosts response: "why they cannot accept and live by the laws of the country in which they live and for which they hold a passport of citizenship".
May be a valid point; however this needs to work both ways. Whether we like it or not, understand it or not, the Saudi's, for example, ban the drinking of alcohol on the grounds of religion and culture, IIRC. I don't see much attention and respect being paid to this by our expatriate cousins who flout this request with impunity.
Diversity is to be applauded as that's what makes the human race so special. Respect for each others beliefs and cultures has to be a basic precept if we are not to continue to squabble needlessly on religious and cultural differences. Remember that some of these cultures with codes we don't understand have been around for thousands of years, well before we came along. Just because they don't fit into our cultural, ideological and religious model doesn't automatically make them wrong, and targets to be spat at.
Do we ever pause to consider how the rest of the world sees us (and I don't just mean the Arab world). Just my pennys worth, not wanting to start a flame war.
May be a valid point; however this needs to work both ways. Whether we like it or not, understand it or not, the Saudi's, for example, ban the drinking of alcohol on the grounds of religion and culture, IIRC. I don't see much attention and respect being paid to this by our expatriate cousins who flout this request with impunity.
Diversity is to be applauded as that's what makes the human race so special. Respect for each others beliefs and cultures has to be a basic precept if we are not to continue to squabble needlessly on religious and cultural differences. Remember that some of these cultures with codes we don't understand have been around for thousands of years, well before we came along. Just because they don't fit into our cultural, ideological and religious model doesn't automatically make them wrong, and targets to be spat at.
Do we ever pause to consider how the rest of the world sees us (and I don't just mean the Arab world). Just my pennys worth, not wanting to start a flame war.
11 February 2004, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LostBoy5
islam oppresses women...
end of.
end of.
There are very few - if any- religions that treat women equally. Its pointless singling out Islam in this respect, when in reality they're all just as corrupt and hypocritical as each other....
By all means remove religious symbology from schools. In fact, why not go all the way and remove religion from society all together???
12 February 2004, 12:33 AM
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get in the real world andrew6321
'There are very few - if any- religions that treat women equally. Its pointless singling out Islam in this respect, when in reality they're all just as corrupt and hypocritical as each other....'
you dont half speak a load of crap
i dont remember my C of E mum being wrapped up like a teenage mutant ninja turtle
'There are very few - if any- religions that treat women equally. Its pointless singling out Islam in this respect, when in reality they're all just as corrupt and hypocritical as each other....'
you dont half speak a load of crap
i dont remember my C of E mum being wrapped up like a teenage mutant ninja turtle
12 February 2004, 01:18 AM
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lol andrew lostboy is the inbred stishrek 
and edited u must remember your mum used as meat for men to much
and edited u must remember your mum used as meat for men to much
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12 February 2004, 09:58 AM
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cheers richwalk.
wackybanana - i take your point about diversity. but the french are not saying "as a muslim you cannot display icons of your religion in our society." they're simply saying "we don't allow any religious icons in our state school system whatsoever - by law - so that we can teach our children that common humanity comes before all else."
bearing in mind some of the dreadful violence still committed in the name of - and seeking convenient cover behind - religious difference, i'd say that the french are making quite an admirable and principled stand. (which i have to say, for them, is a rarity).
wackybanana - i take your point about diversity. but the french are not saying "as a muslim you cannot display icons of your religion in our society." they're simply saying "we don't allow any religious icons in our state school system whatsoever - by law - so that we can teach our children that common humanity comes before all else."
bearing in mind some of the dreadful violence still committed in the name of - and seeking convenient cover behind - religious difference, i'd say that the french are making quite an admirable and principled stand. (which i have to say, for them, is a rarity).
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i wouldent say all muslem cutures opress woman but a few do for instance a male suicide bomber when he dies goes to god and is promised all sorts of silly things womon suicide bombers get nothing dont get me wrong its all a load of bo11oxs if u ask me lol
12 February 2004, 12:41 PM
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I think the French are just trying to appease the growing right wing nature of it's public. This is a response to a problem rather than a solution.
A crude attempt to prevent Monsieur Le Penn from getting the Presidency Next time !
Storing up trouble for the Future in France - Nothing new there then
A crude attempt to prevent Monsieur Le Penn from getting the Presidency Next time !
Storing up trouble for the Future in France - Nothing new there then
12 February 2004, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Holy Ghost
cheers richwalk.
wackybanana - i take your point about diversity.
wackybanana - i take your point about diversity.
Conflicts have ocurred and are still ocurring to define those boundaries and I'm not just talking about geographical boundaries.
Take any mass of people and mix them together and they will start to arrange themselves, to sub-divide. Its human nature, inbuilt and innate and government policies are not going to change it.
That is why we are seeing more and more conflict, more dissatisfaction and intolerance between cultural groups because people who have fundementally different in-built beliefs are being forced coexist with each other, and it is human nature to resist this all the way.
12 February 2004, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LostBoy5
get in the real world andrew6321
'There are very few - if any- religions that treat women equally. Its pointless singling out Islam in this respect, when in reality they're all just as corrupt and hypocritical as each other....'
you dont half speak a load of crap
i dont remember my C of E mum being wrapped up like a teenage mutant ninja turtle
'There are very few - if any- religions that treat women equally. Its pointless singling out Islam in this respect, when in reality they're all just as corrupt and hypocritical as each other....'
you dont half speak a load of crap
i dont remember my C of E mum being wrapped up like a teenage mutant ninja turtle
I'm not just talking about headscarves, you ridiculous man. Oppression comes in many forms, or hadn't you noticed...?
12 February 2004, 03:44 PM
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andrew too right
oppression of woman is open in the uk, use their bodies to mint money like pimps on tv, mag and tabloids
thats oppression of woman, use poor woman as ****** to make money and lapdancing
lsteve g my bros u get wives in heaven even if u die naturally my brother
, thats something the west likes to stereotype the muslims with, it aint all true
oppression of woman is open in the uk, use their bodies to mint money like pimps on tv, mag and tabloids
thats oppression of woman, use poor woman as ****** to make money and lapdancing
lsteve g my bros u get wives in heaven even if u die naturally my brother
, thats something the west likes to stereotype the muslims with, it aint all true
12 February 2004, 04:29 PM
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******* hell Moses you do speak a load of **** when it comes to such debates No one forces some bint to be a page 3 girl. However I think you will find that Islam gives no right to choice for women whatso ever Thats oppression my friend!
Its quite simple, there is a choice for the religious types from what the French are enforcing.
1) they comply with the law and dress according to the laws of the land when their children attend school and put their demands behind what is law
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2) they move to a country where they can practice their religion in a way in which they are 100% happy with.
Its quite simple, abide by the law or fcukin move somewhere else if you don't like the countries laws
I am 100% behind that being brought in here. I certainly didn't have such wide ranging cultural uniforms when i was at school, everyone had a strict school uniform and there was no other clothing allowed. Over that last 20 years the UK has become so immensely soft and over pc that it is now a complete joke to say a school has a school uniform when it has to be dictated to by religious types because they demand they have their way
As for Uncle Bucks statement - in reality its correct - Islam's mission statement if you like is to spread world wide and be the religion of every state/country. That to me is very worrying when you take into account their total intolerance of any culture that is not Muslim and the enforcement of their needs and requirements on non muslim countries, Britain being a fine example!
To add I am not just anti Islam, I am anti relgion full stop. I regard the Jews occupation of Palestine with as much dislike as I do muslim fundamentalism just like I hate the catholic/protestant neverending war.
No one forces some bint to be a page 3 girl. However I think you will find that Islam gives no right to choice for women whatso ever Thats oppression my friend!Its quite simple, there is a choice for the religious types from what the French are enforcing.
1) they comply with the law and dress according to the laws of the land when their children attend school and put their demands behind what is law
or
2) they move to a country where they can practice their religion in a way in which they are 100% happy with.
Its quite simple, abide by the law or fcukin move somewhere else if you don't like the countries laws
I am 100% behind that being brought in here. I certainly didn't have such wide ranging cultural uniforms when i was at school, everyone had a strict school uniform and there was no other clothing allowed. Over that last 20 years the UK has become so immensely soft and over pc that it is now a complete joke to say a school has a school uniform when it has to be dictated to by religious types because they demand they have their way
As for Uncle Bucks statement - in reality its correct - Islam's mission statement if you like is to spread world wide and be the religion of every state/country. That to me is very worrying when you take into account their total intolerance of any culture that is not Muslim and the enforcement of their needs and requirements on non muslim countries, Britain being a fine example!
To add I am not just anti Islam, I am anti relgion full stop. I regard the Jews occupation of Palestine with as much dislike as I do muslim fundamentalism just like I hate the catholic/protestant neverending war.
12 February 2004, 05:01 PM
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Have to agree - Moses you have a fckued up view of whats oppression.
Good god I expect you have kids too who will be handed down your warped view of "oppressive religions" such as the "Unholy Trinity of Page 3" or "Spearmint Roman Catholics"
Good god I expect you have kids too who will be handed down your warped view of "oppressive religions" such as the "Unholy Trinity of Page 3" or "Spearmint Roman Catholics"
12 February 2004, 05:01 PM
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I am 100% behind that being brought in here.
Infact I agree with bravo2's post completely. Religion is just an out-of-date way of thinking (imo), and the fact that Muslim girls in schools might refuse swimming lessons or PE as they wont take off their head scarfs is a joke. If I refused PE each week I'd be expelled from the school, and the same should be the case with them. When in Rome...
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As for Uncle Bucks statement - in reality its correct - Islam's mission statement if you like is to spread world wide and be the religion of every state/country.
come on mate - don't complain about Islamic indoctrination....all us 'good christians' were doing the same kind of thing a long long time before that....
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All us good Christians? Dont include me in that mate thanks, I am of no religion, never been christened or anything and thats how it will stay. I have my own beliefs and thats the way it will stay, which incidentally are a combination of the good laws of most religions which boils down to common decency and nothing to do with religion at the end of the day.
I dont agree with what any relgion has done in the past such as the crusades but just because they happened does that mean its fine for Islam to follow suit now? I don't think so.
I dont agree with what any relgion has done in the past such as the crusades but just because they happened does that mean its fine for Islam to follow suit now? I don't think so.
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I see andrew and b20 have posted above (i really should type my replies faster or re-read before clicking send )
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I agree with B2O.
andrew - who are you referring to as 'us good christians' ?? B2O has stated he isn't a christian. I'm not religious either (I think someone alluded to the fact I was????). ALL religions are hypocritical and all of them, IMO blah blah, are wrong to try and enforce religion to the population. They've all got blood on their hands. What nearly all religions want is for Everyone in the world to become a member of that religion.
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I agree with B2O.
andrew - who are you referring to as 'us good christians' ?? B2O has stated he isn't a christian. I'm not religious either (I think someone alluded to the fact I was????). ALL religions are hypocritical and all of them, IMO blah blah, are wrong to try and enforce religion to the population. They've all got blood on their hands. What nearly all religions want is for Everyone in the world to become a member of that religion.
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Dracoro - its called 'irony' mate. Maybe I should have been clearer.
For the record, I'm not religious either - but that shouldn't absolve us from responsibility for the collective **** that we're all in.....
For the record, I'm not religious either - but that shouldn't absolve us from responsibility for the collective **** that we're all in.....