Petem95

If they are pushing for compensation then that takes the pi$$ - I'd been feeling sorry for them until I read that. Also turns out they were earning £7 per hour which isnt a bad wage, especially as they obviously werent paying any tax on it.

Katana arent you going off topic with your comments? People who start petty arguments spoil forums for everyone.

ajm

Why would we look for it? It doesn't matter to the rest of us what colour they are. Colour is only an issue to you it seems...

Katana

http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/showthread.php?t=301021

I didnt even have to look far for it.

Mice_Elf

Kat, I think the issue here is not what nationality they are, per se, but the fact that they are here illegally.

They could be black, white, yellow, blue, purple or green, it doesn't matter. If they were here legally, it wouldn't be so much of an issue.

Although to be honest, I have trouble defending people against their own stupidity in most of the cases that come to light. Not sure if this is one of them.... If they knew that the tide came in that quickly then why not make provision for it or leave earlier? If they didn't then it's very tragic but if they'd've been here legally, they would have had a lot more money and not needed to work for 23 and a half hours a day for £1 a week so wouldn't have been in that situation.

Difficult one...

eClaire

Thats religion Katana. Nothing to do with the colour of your skin. White people can be Islamic too you know.

ProperCharlie

personally i'd be "wee'd off" if i paid £20,000 to get to another country, and was then forced to live in an unheated house with 40 other people, pick cockles in dangerous conditions for £1 a day, was threatened and initimidated by gangsters, and then to cap it all i got drowned whislt trying to earn my daily £1.

anyone think there might be a victim here *other* than the poor british tax payer?

TelBoy

But still they keep coming PC.

If they don't like it, there are options. China being one.

Katana

No. My point has nothing to do with illegal immigrants or what have you. My point is that unclebuck is nothing more than a xenophobic ******* and I'm just making sure people know it before everyone starts praising him and turning him into a hero.

Yes I hate illegal immigrants too as much as I hate dole scroungers and divorced single mothers who tries to steal whatever wealth here ex husband that she left for another man has.

eClaire

£20 sodding grand!!! If I had that I'd stay where I bloody well was instead of squandering it in this country!!

unclebuck

Katana - you need take a stress pill, and think things over.

Where is race mentioned in any of these issues? Only *you* are playing the race card. You are entitled to your views. I am entitled to mine. But, if you want to slag off someone you need to get yourt facts straight.

UB

ProperCharlie

i don't suppose the communication channels between morecombe and some rural village in fujitsustan or wherever are that great. i'm sure the snakeheads don't put "live in squalor! earn up to £1 a day! be sold into the sex trade if you are female, under 20 and attractive!" on their advertising material...

TelBoy

Katana, give it a rest. YOU brought the race element into this.

OllyK

Everybody keeps asking who is going to be sued, assuming the info is correct, it is in the original post, or do people not read beyond the first line?
They will need luck, do you think the gangmasters would be receptive or threaten to have them killed and or do some serious damage to the "other slaves" as some form of retribution. But if they want to try, then fine.

That still doesn't make my point about the government seeking to recover costs from the families, as those who died had not paid taxes in this country to benefit from the services that risked their lives to try and save them, invalid or fu*ked up.

Look at other countries, if you are sick over there and don't have health insurance, expect a whopping great bill from the hospital. Why should we have to pander to everybody?

eClaire

Erm, well you're in the wrong thread matey.


Well take it somewhere else! We are here talking about ONE ISSUE - THE COCKLEPICKER DUDE! If you want to have a go at UB, take it to Fight Club!!!

andrewdelvard

From what I can see of this report http://www.guardian.co.uk/Refugees_i...143919,00.html
The 'compensation claim' is only the view of one of the illegals.

Quite sad when you read it.





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Katana

I'd love to but he cant even afford to have a plus pass.

ProperCharlie

OllyK - if they are trying to get compensation "from the government" then it's a fair point, but i am curious as to how this would be achieved. i'm not aware of a provision for sueing "the govt" because a member of your family accidentally drowned.

eClaire

Now that is PETTY! He probably can afford it, but like the rest of us he choses not to bother!

BexTait

Why should they get compensation? If they do get any, it should be put towards the North West air Ambulance which was used to fly the dead bodies to the the Infirmary imho. Why use the air ambulance, which is under threat of being lost to move dead bodies?

OllyK

It would seem from the Gaurdian that they belive they ought to be able to sue the English guys who were taking them down to the beach on thier tractors, guess the English connection with the snakehead / triads or whatever.

OK, that's fair enough, I guess. But we still have the point that if they hadn't been here, which they shouldn't have been, then they would be alive. Bit like falling of a cliff that has lots of warning signs saying danger and do not enter and then trying to sue somebody for it. If you are somewhere that you shouldn't be and are comitting a crime, then if you shouldn't have any come back for the injuries caused. Think this should follow through so that burglers can't sue for getting seven bells kicked out of them if the owner of the house happens to waiting for them with a baseball bat.

The interesting point in the article is that they are interviewing a woman who was cockling a while back as an illegal and is currently working in a restaurant. Why the hell is she still here??

yoza

From what I can gleen with my limited intelligence, the persons family in question are trying to sue the 'gangmasters'. Ive not read or heard anything regarding sueing the government.

The cultivators/pickers get paid by the sack, the (illegal) workers get about £10-12/sack, the gangmasters get £15-16/sack off the local cockle traders.

Most of these Chinese workers have never even seen the sea, never mind being aware of its dangers.

I feel sorry for anyone who is so desperated for money, that they have to leave thier families and work in a foreign land doing a sh1tty dangerous job, with little or no training. And basically lining the pockets 'typically' of some other once illegal immigrant who has come good, and decided to exploit other people who are desperate, as he was once himself.

Easy fix, sort out illegal immigrants entering the country......simple.
Apparently not.

Whilst on the subject £10-11/sack (large sack)
How many £1.99 (small) jars to a sack?
And how much to get from the sack into the jar......?

Me see's massive profits in this game.

Nothing worth dieing for though.

pathetic shark

As usual, a chance comment gets amplified and thus further hysteria is created. Pretty soon people will be convincing each other that all asylum seekers (who all get a three-bedroom semi in rural Surrey) HAVE claimed compensation from the government.

The fact is that the illegals on the beach are unable to claim any compensation from the Government in any shape or form. Those that survived will in all probability be deported. They will not be able to claim from their gangmaster, as to contract for an illegal supply of illegal services is not something even remotely enforceable, even supposing that they had a contract in the first place.

If any of you want to jump up and down about how the nation is going to the dogs, first look at the subjects of the Wife Swap programme from a few months back. The illegals shouldn't be here, but they're quite prepared to work stupidly hard for pitifully small amounts of money - would that the indigenous population had the same work ethos.

We are almost all descended from immigrants in this country, and those that aren't (the Scots, Irish, Cornish, Welsh) are often derided as stupid and inbred. And those who complian the most then say that they want to emigrate and thus perpetuate the flow of economic migrants (which has, incidentally, been going on for pretty much man's entire history on this planet).

Stueyb

They cant be that skint if they can afford to text China saying they are about to die ! (ie mobiles phones arent free (unless stolen i guess))

OllyK

Look where they are from...

...a coastal province.

OllyK

Because they are illegal they don't have the benefit of the nanny state coughing up dole money to them every week so they have little choice. But when you consider many paid £20K for a "better" life and manage to send about £1K or so a year back home, does this really justify them coming over? I don't think so, they would be better off with their families.

ajm

What is all this "gangster" business anyway? Has this actually been confirmed? Or are we actually talking about local fishermen who's only crime was giving the immigrants a job?

5 of the 7 people arrested so far were amongst those who were rescued!

pathetic shark

OllyK

I know someone who worked here illegally as a student when she was in the UK. She's Turkish, so was easily able to get a job at £3.00 per hour cash-in-hand at (ironically enough) a Greek restaurant.

She did no harm to anyone, didn't claim benefits (wasn't entitled to anyway), made an extra £40 per week from working every Friday and Saturday night ... so where's the problem? They couldn't find anyone to do the the job, she filled a need, and much of what she earned was recycled through the economy one way or another.

jjones

were these illegals paying income tax?

can the government not send the tax bill to their next of kin?

harsh maybe but isn't that what happens to "legal" people?

ProperCharlie

i think at £1 a day they'd be below the tax threshold.what about the british criminals that organised the operation? i don't suppose they put all monies earnt on their self-assessment form

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

I wish I was intelligent enough to be a criminal!!! Who says crime doesn't pay???

I would love to know which idiot came up with that saying????